Slate columnist suggests rape claim is false, 'Rambling Feminist' accuses her of 'victim blaming' where it has no application

Miracle_Fruit · 2012-08-24T15:05:15+00:00

There is no better or worse rape. There is rape.

I just don't get this attitude at all. How can you look at, say, someone getting drunk of their own volition, giving consent when it might not've been the best idea, then saying it was rape, and call it "just as bad" as someone being beaten down, tied up and savaged in an alleyway somewhere? How is the latter not far more damaging, traumatic, and especially evil? In what possible mindset can you say that the two situations are equivalent?

I mean, we even have different categories for the crime of murder (1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter, etc.), where there literally cannot be any difference to the victim in terms of trauma or lasting effect, since they're quite dead regardless. Why is it that it's a foregone conclusion that there can NEVER BE any differentiation between two rapes no matter the circumstances?

Makes no sense to me at all.

yourfaceyourass · 2012-08-24T19:37:47+00:00

Sex is something that a man does to a women, right? If two people have sex while drunk, it has to be the man's fault.

I don't get it. You can't have drunk sex, ever?

thebrucemoose · 2012-08-24T14:25:28+00:00

It's utterly ridiculous. The original post is a tale of a few mistakes made whilst drunk, all of us can relate; and reveals an insight into the mindset of those who make false-rape claims. Then stereotypical ignorant and hostile 'feminist' comes in without understanding the story and spouts some unrelated rubbish. Yet another missed opportunity for intelligent discourse.

nwz123 · 2012-08-24T20:49:47+00:00

A drunk man and a drunk woman, who are both at the point of "incipacitation", have sex. Which one's the rapist? This is the problem with the idea that alcohol itself negates consent: we hold everyone else in all areas of life accountable for their decisions while under the influence, but we don't do so even when it can put innocent people in jail.

Furthermore, the moment that you say one side in that equal equation is somehow more responsible than the other, you are saying that that person has more responsibility, and therefore is more of an adult than the other person. You negate the agency and capacity of one in order to hold the other one to a higher standard. The problem with feminism is not that it pushes for women's rights or attacks gender norms; the problem is that it villifies something so good. Manhood is a GOOD thing for society, when done "properly". (But even the idea of "properly" is problematic because who would suggest that there's a "proper" way to be a female? Feminism has freed women from this template of duty/character build at the same time that it attacks anything outside of the carefully constructed template of manhood in society (ie one that's useful to feminists....)).

Paxmagister · 2012-08-24T22:40:19+00:00

Of course any guy who has sex with a girl when drunk, then regrets it in the morning would never get any type of sympathy.

Aaod · 2012-08-25T02:39:01+00:00

Here is what I don't get. If I get drunk and get in a car and run someone over am I not guilty because I was drunk? Being drunk does not excuse your actions. Unless you are a female apparently. Not to mention the case of what if both parties are drunk? Mutual rape? Sorry ladies it doesn't work that way you can't have your cake and eat it to. NWZ123 explained it better then I did.

Title	Slate columnist suggests rape claim is false, 'Rambling Feminist' accuses her of 'victim blaming' where it has no application
Author	PierceHarlan
Upvotes	45
Comments	21
Date	August 24, 2012 2:03 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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