What we stand for

C0CKPUNCHER · 2012-04-21T18:08:19+00:00

I'd say we are also for mens suffering in society to be recognized. Suicide, homelessness, addiction etc. And for equal attention given to mens problems as womens problems. And overall equal support and affirmative action for men as for women.

Sorry if you did mention that and I didn't see it.

ENTP · 2012-04-21T19:47:25+00:00

Those are all things that feminism pretends to be in support of.

If only they did more than pay those ideas lip service, the MRM wouldn't have to exist.

MattClark0994 · 2012-04-21T19:41:19+00:00

Rape laws/policies should be on that list aswell.

The April 4th “Dear Colleague” letter issued by the OCR to all colleges that receive federal funding, reduces the standard of proof required to convict a male student of rape all the way down to “preponderance of evidence” (anything above 50%). The directive also requires all universities to allow alleged victims of rape to appeal the results of college disciplinary hearings, subjecting the accused to “double jeopardy” (which isn’t allowed in US courts).

http://thefire.org/case/862

U.S. Military, Washington State and the District of Columbia put the burden on the accused to show consent.

http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/09/us-military-dc-and-washington-state-now.html

Military charges more men with bogus rape claims to show that it takes “sexual assault” seriously.

http://www.islandpacket.com/2011/11/29/1879908/military-rape-charges-lead-to.html

Rape Shield Law – prevents the alleged victim of a sexual assault from having her past sexual behavior an issue in court. Cathy Young writing for reason magazine highlights the problems of such a law.

http://reason.com/archives/2002/02/01/excluded-evidence

2012-04-21T21:42:04+00:00

I'd throw in a ban on infantile circumcision too.

2012-04-21T20:50:54+00:00

“We demand an immediate end to domestic violence against men. Photographs circulate constantly of women with bruised faces, with the implication that it was a man who was responsible. What is rarely asked, though, is what happened before the incident? Usually, the woman hits first, and she doesn’t hit just once. She hit her husband or boyfriend repeatedly, and he grew tired of it and hit her once, just to get her to stop. Unfortunately, the evidence of this is often in women’s favor, since women bruise far more easily than women. Yes, there are violent, abusive nutcases of men out there, but they are nowhere near as common as PSAs would have us believe. Overall, ending domestic violence falls on the shoulders of violent women.”

While there is certainly legitimacy in claiming that men are the victims of domestic violence just as women are, the above statements are simply untrue.

“Straus and Gelles found that in couples reporting spousal violence, 27% of the time the man struck the first blow; in 24% of cases, the woman initiated the violence. The rest of the time, the violence was mutual, with both partners brawling. The results were the same even when the most severe episodes of violence were analyzed. In order to counteract claims that the reporting data was skewed, female-only surveys were conducted, asking females to self-report, and the data was the same. The simple tally of physical acts is typically found to be similar in those studies that examine both directions, but some studies show that male violence may be more serious. Male violence may do more damage than female violence; women are more likely to be injured and/or hospitalized. Wives are more likely to be killed by their husbands than the reverse (59% to 41% per Department of Justice study), and women in general are more likely to be killed by their spouses than by all other types of assailants combined.”( Angela Browne and Kirk R. Williams (1989). "Exploring the Effect of Resource Availability and the Likelihood of Female-perpetrated Homicides". Law and Society Review 23 (1): 75–94.)

There is a need for awareness in ALL cases of domestic violence (including violence in gay and lesbian partnerships), to point fingers at either men or women in this case is counterproductive. We need to speak out against domestic abuse in all of its manifestations.

chavelah · 2012-04-21T17:06:36+00:00

A man’s desire to support his offspring and their mother is biologically ingrained, and surpasses many other instincts, including his restraint from violence. Indeed, countless men throughout history have taken up violent professions in order to support women. If men need only support themselves, the demand for money will be much smaller, and men will be less inclined to use violence.

So who's supporting the kids then? The mother alone? The father and mother together? In that case, who's actually raising the children while both the father and mother are out earning wages?

There are reasonable answers to these questions, but the post does not provide them.

Dranosh · 2012-04-21T18:07:25+00:00

I think some american conservative mra and their issues with all "leftists" are a potential circular firing squad in the mrm.

Senor_Porfirio · 2012-04-21T18:49:54+00:00

This is pretty weak. First, it starts out on a negative message, focusing on feminists. Stay positive. Second, it mixes in some utopianism - "end domestic violence against men." Hell, why not add "I demand world peace right now!"

If I wrote an article like this, I'd outline broad principles to which men should subscribe, plus a set of policies which all men should support.

My policy platform would be something like this, in no particular order:

False accusations of rape must be punished with a sentence equal to that considered for the alleged rapist.
Those accused of rape should remain anonymous, just like their accusers.
Mandatory paternity testing at birth.
Elimination of affirmative action for women, including Title IX and Disparate Impact treatment of gender discrimination lawsuits. Eliminate antidiscrimination laws which prevent employers from favoring those with masculine traits relevant to the given job, like upper body strength. In short, no more firefighters, only firemen ;).
No obligation of paternal child support if the man and woman were not married, and the woman deceived the man into thinking she could not conceive.
Equal custody of children by default in the event of a divorce.
No alimony for unilateral divorce without cause.
Restore the freedom of contract and respect pre-nuptial agreements in family courts.

Any other ideas?

Deregulation of healthcare and education (vouchers, homeschooling) would help as well, by making these bloated, female-dominated industries more efficient, and reduce wasteful employment of women.

Title	What we stand for
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	23
Comments	20
Date	April 21, 2012 4:38 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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