"What motivations do women have to critique feminism?"

sixofthebest · 2011-09-19T14:31:24+00:00

It is a simple truth that you can't please everyone and that inevitably includes feminism. Women who prefer the traditional gender roles, women of minorities, sex workers, transgenders, DV victims etc. But if you ask which part of feminism has received the least criticism from women? I would say the women=victims/men=oppressors model and consequently sexism that operates under this model.

iongantas · 2011-09-19T21:08:21+00:00

Sons.

blueyb · 2011-09-19T19:53:18+00:00

One of the most interesting things I've heard said, and seems to be a good point, was something along the lines of "Bigotry and Discrimination only end when those in the discriminating and bigoted group make it unacceptable to do so".

I'm not putting it well enough there, so I'll go forward with the example they used. Black people could not stop discrimination against blacks. They needed to rally, needed to fight, needed to sway public opinion- but it was only when joining the KKK and lynching black people and keeping them oppressed, especially as by law, became taboo in white circles that things started to change.

The oppressed/discriminated-against group will always protest. They will always fight. It's when those in the peer group of those committing the unfair acts start to act against the unfair policies/culture that things change.

Just as feminism needed the men in power to be willing to relinquish it, and realize that the anti-woman laws and society that did exist (and it did, we all recognize that, right? When women couldn't vote, had little property rights, were not allowed in many schools and businesses, etc.), we will need enough voices of women to help us carry the message that feminism has gone too far, and has enacted some law and cultural norms that oppress men.

Also, I am taking the risk of assuming you mean 'critique feminism that espouses unfair and misandric ideas' instead of 'feminism that truly wishes to achieve equality'. I think the majority of MRA's embrace equality - those parts of feminism that seek to truly correct wrongs being done to women in law and culture have my support, and I expect to have the support of women even more strongly.

But about unfair/misandric feminism - why would women critique it? Why do white people hate the KKK? Why would any black person hate Farrakhan's anti-white and anti-semitic speech? Why should those of us who are men, critique true examples of misogony?

Because it's wrong. I hope by pointing out where feminism is unfair and wallowing in misandry, the majority of women, when awoken to it's true nature, will critique it BECAUSE IT IS WRONG, the same way I, as a white person, loathe white supremacists.

The feminist movement is flawed, in my opinion. Many of it's leaders are haters. But I strongly believe the majority of feminsits, and women in general, are people of fairness and morals, and when we can open their eyes, they will critique those among them that support the unfair and the unjust.

Offensive_Brute · 2011-09-19T12:55:31+00:00

the women who "critique" feminism are very often women who have a male family member being raped in family court, while their nieces/nephews/grand kids/step kids etc are being raped by some unstable bitches dope head boyfriend.

Thinking on it now, feminism is actually facilitating sexual violence against children by promoting the absolution of the Nuclear Family.

millertime73 · 2011-09-19T13:14:33+00:00

I've often said that if you are raising boys and vote for candidates who support feminism, you hate your own kids. In other words, not only do many moderates not criticize them, they indirectly support them.

Non-nuclear families don't cause sexual violence against children, and there is no evidence to support that claim.

Perhaps.

From the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/foundation/foundatione.cfm

The Child Abuse and Father Absence Connection

The rate of child abuse in single parent households is 27.3 children per 1,000, which is nearly twice the rate of child abuse in two parent households (15.5 children per 1,000). An analysis of child abuse cases in a nationally representative sample of 42 counties found that children from single parent families are more likely to be victims of physical and sexual abuse than children who live with both biological parents. Compared to their peers living with both parents, children in single parent homes had: 77 percent greater risk of being physically abused 87 percent greater risk of being harmed by physical neglect 165 percent greater risk of experiencing notable physical neglect 74 percent greater risk of suffering from emotional neglect 80 percent greater risk of suffering serious injury as a result of abuse 120 percent greater risk of experiencing some type of maltreatment overall.

Edit 1: Was at +3 for a while, then directly after the butthurt brigade of SRS started the downvote circle jerk from their sub-Reddit, -7. I love the fear and animosity I stir up in you guys. It's kind of like poking an angry animal in a cage with a pointy stick and laughing.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/kkj85/ive_often_said_that_if_you_are_raising_boys_and/

Title	"What motivations do women have to critique feminism?"
Author	ignatiusloyola
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Date	September 19, 2011 12:22 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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