I've having an argument with a hyper-feminist co-worker who doesn't believe that there any double standards against men in society. Can we compile a comprehensive list?

levelate · 2011-06-30T22:52:36+00:00

disparity in prison sentences

signing up for potential drafting (i'm assuming you're american)

the criminalisation of men (regarding child care)

when (rarely) men get custody of children, police/courts will not persue the mother with the same zeal as they do fathers.

alimony versus palimony

a woman can not work and not be thought selfish, opposite for men.

female teacher seduction/male teacher rape.

and so on

kanuk876 · 2011-07-01T01:18:12+00:00

Section 268 of the Criminal Code of Canada makes it a federal crime to so much as pin-prick a female child's genitals without a compelling medical reason.

For a male child, you can burn their penis off with electricity, hack it off with a knife, or dissolve it with carbolic acid and fear no repercussions. You don't need a reason: medical, religious or otherwise; It's all good.

ManThoughts · 2011-07-01T01:23:24+00:00

First of all, be very careful. Ask yourself, is this argument really worth her falsely accusing you of harassment? Is proving her wrong more important to you than a job?

Also, a suggestion- Have her read this article (written by a woman) http://owningyourshit.blogspot.com/2011/05/female-privilege-checklist.html

AFuddyDuddy · 2011-07-01T01:37:35+00:00

we have a policy of no Sandals or flip flops.....

everyday I see women at work wearing sandals or flip flops.

Petty.... but I also saw one of my male co-workers get sent home to "change" because of it.

also, a buddy of mine has an HR crew (all women) that gather to wear shirts saying, "Men are pigs"..... No backlash. I'm fairly positive if he wore a shirt stating, "Women are pigs" he would be fired.

pcarvious · 2011-06-30T23:33:47+00:00

In the workplace.

Expectation to worn longer hours. Travel farther for work. Disparity in paternity leave practices. Sexual harassment cases when men are victims are laughed at by hr. Differential access into departments.

countbloodula · 2011-07-01T00:30:43+00:00

Selective Service and discriminatory draft legislation in numerous countries.

In the UK the age when women can begin collecting retirement benefits is 60 and for men it's 65.

Discriminatory citizenship requirements for children of male and female US citizens link

In the UK fathers are unable to apply for passports for their children without the mothers permission but mothers are allowed to apply for passports for their children regardless.

The policy of some airlines not to seat unaccompanied minors next to male passengers and to remove male passengers from the plane if such a seat is not available. link

Women's only hours for a variety of publicly funded services such as libraries and swimming pools.

kanuk876 · 2011-07-01T01:21:09+00:00

Have her read this: http://www.supportguidelines.com/articles/art199903.html

Then share with us her comments.

TheRealPariah · 2011-07-01T04:14:44+00:00

Don't fight that fight. You never win that argument. It's not worth it to argue with a feminist - especially a co-worker. You will only regret it and nothing will change.

thedevguy · 2011-06-30T23:43:09+00:00

I'd be interested to hear her response to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

mikesteane · 2011-07-01T06:28:31+00:00

I would insist that she sign an agreement o take part in the argument including clauses that mean she cannot make a complaint for harassment before proceeding with this argument.

Demonspawn · 2011-07-01T14:18:59+00:00

What is your goal in this argument?

Stand up to a hyper-feminist and not take her shit and therefore get laid? Not a good idea to fuck and chuck a co-worker.... especially a feminist one.

Prove her wrong? You already know she's wrong. If you think this is your goal, it's really that you want her to admit that she was wrong. Not going to happen. No possible success.

Try to get her to change her mind? She's a hyper-feminist. Not going to happen.

To pander to the audience and show how wrong feminism is? Well there's no audience... unless I'm incorrect about this.

So what do you hope to gain in exchange for the risk of engaging a hyper-feminist co-worker?

Demonspawn · 2011-07-01T20:20:34+00:00

On the other hand, since I just looked up another part of this post in Evernote:

Women's rights that men don't have, granted by law:

A commission on the status of women in every state, funded by taxpayer dollars (men only have one, in NH, and it is unfunded).

Tax benefits for being a "woman-owned business"

Government contracts guaranteed to women-owned (and minority owned) businesses.

Violence Against Women Act.

IMBRA

Full rights to their own born children. Men only get rights to their children when granted by the courts or by the legal precedent of marriage to the mother.

A department of Women's health. (yet women live 7 years longer than men on average.)

An Department of Justice Office on Violence Against Women. (yet men are twice as likely to be the victims of a violent attack.)

I can continue with the hundreds of government departments for women with no corresponding department for men, but I think you get the point.

Women's rights that men don't have granted by legal precedent:

The right to abortion (yes, this is a legal precedent, not a law).

The right to abandon her child without her partner's consent.

The right to place her child up for adoption without the other parent's consent (and sometimes against that consent)

The right to lower jail sentences for the same crime, more likely to receive probation than incarceration and also shorter periods of incarceration.

The right "not to be offended" in the workplace.

The right to have a man evicted from his home because she's "afraid" of him.

The right to make false allegations of rape/DV/Child Abuse with relative impunity.

The right to keep custody of children after divorce unless PROVEN to be an unfit parent.

The right to have a man arrested on only her word, with no supporting evidence, upon an allegation of rape.

The right to women-only clubs/gyms/accommodations.

The right to use depression, PMS, or "being controlled by a man" as a legal defense and having way more of a chance of it working (not an absolute right, but Mary Winkler is getting it there)

The right to a standard of "self defense" that does not include an immediate threat.

This list continues, but I'll move on.

Responsibilities that men have which women do not by law:

Selective service (The Draft).

A requirement to list themselves on a putative father listing to have even the thinest rights to their children.

To support their Wives (these laws are still on the books. Husbands can be charged with abandonment, wives cannot.)

Responsibilities that men have which women do not by legal precedent:

To financially support their children (1: custodial mothers are not slapped with a "earn this much or go to jail" order. 2: NCP mothers are rarely ordered to support their children when in the custody of the father.)

The responsibility to accept being forced into parenthood against their will. (This is a combination of law and precedent)

The responsibility to get over their past as men cannot use prior abuse as a legal defense.

kanuk876 · 2011-07-01T01:32:59+00:00

From this excellent discussion:

Steven: What I've noticed is that in talking about men's issues, even the ones that to me seem clearest, that there are ways that have developed to cut off the dialog before it even starts. You talk about the sexist draft and you might get a response that men start all the wars anyway. Divorce and custody--men abandon their children and don't want to parent anyway. Men die younger- -it's their fault for keeping their feelings bottled up. Circumcision--what about female genital mutilation, which is much worse.

Elizabeth: So for every issue there's a matching issue. Aaron and I spent years in our relationship going back and forth about who had it worse. That kind of dialog is sort of a dead-end street.

Steven: How did that end up resolving itself in your relationship?

Elizabeth: We ended up deciding there could be no winner to that conversation. We could never prove to our satisfaction or to any of our friends' satisfaction who had it worse. The whole issue of blame really gets in the way of gender reconciliation. It's the biggest thing that we have to work against when we try to build bridges between men and women.

We have taken the position--and it's politically incorrect in a lot of different arenas--that there is no such thing as the patriarchy or the matriarchy. There are certain pockets of our culture that are dominated by men and certain other pockets that are dominated by women. Both genders suffer by virtue of the stereotypical gender roles and a certain overlay of biological programming.

It's really best to put the whole issue of blame aside and look at how we co-create the conflict that we find between men and women in our culture. Both sexes need to be willing to take responsibility for how it is we have participated. From that place we can begin to work on some solutions.

annoyedatwork · 2011-07-01T12:43:35+00:00

Give her a list of sandwich ingredients and tell her to get to work.

Title	I've having an argument with a hyper-feminist co-worker who doesn't believe that there any double standards against men in society. Can we compile a comprehensive list?
Author	dingledog
Upvotes	11
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Date	June 30, 2011 9:59 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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