Mother gives hours-old baby girl to California firefighters (Safe Haven law in action) - CNN.com

Chandon · 2010-12-26T17:43:14+00:00

This is a good system working as intended. Not everyone who has a kid is a fit parent. Allowing parents who realize that they fall in that category to voluntarily give up their children like this is strictly a good thing - we can afford the small expenditure of tax dollars for the benefit of keeping these children safe.

The relevance of these safe harbor laws to mens rights is only that they are one more chance for women to opt-out of parental responsibility for unwanted children. It's good that women can opt out like this. Men should be able to opt out as well, for all the reasons that have already been well covered in this reddit.

2010-12-26T19:51:32+00:00

I don't see, going off of what information we have from the article, how we can assume that the father's rights are being overlooked. There are a plethora of possibilities that could have happened here, and the fact remains that we just don't know. Instead of talking about what a horrible thing for men's rights this is, why don't we instead talk about what can be done to help the kids in these situations? Isn't that what the focus should be on anyway - the kids?

rantgrrl · 2010-12-26T16:02:49+00:00

If a mother makes use of a safe haven law, and the father later finds his child and assumes full custody, can he then sue for child support?

Women can make use of safe haven laws regardless of what the father wants. I wonder how a man would be treated if he took his hours old baby and attempted to make use of a safe haven law without the mothers consent?

I'm not necessarily against safe haven laws but they are definitely a female privilege.

tomek77 · 2010-12-26T13:01:28+00:00

Men are often told to "take responsibility" for babies even if they didn't want them, or if they were mislead about birth control, or if they had no say in abortion decisions, or if they don't get to see their children (and sometimes even if the kid isn't theirs).

Too bad, the same "responsibility" doesn't apply to the dead-beat mothers who abandon their children:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe-haven_law

Notice that at the time of writing, all the comments on this article are positive and praise the mother. Un-freaking-believable!

( X-posted from /r/MaleStudies )

flagrantly_disregard · 2010-12-26T19:54:43+00:00

OP, you're a fool. This is a good thing. Some women are not equipped to be mothers. Some women are raped. Some women are just not with it. The fact that she recognized this and delivered her baby and gave it to someone without killing it is a good thing.

I don't understand how you can possibly imagine yourself to be in a position to judge a woman you don't know from a side of ham. Maybe she suffers from mental illness? Maybe she is desperately afraid and alone in the world?

Maybe she made the best dammed decision she could for that kid, and it happened to be making use of the laws that have been created for that purpose.

Your arrogant judgment sickens me.

The reason why men are 'forced to take responsibility' is because historically a man could knock women up and take none at all. It's an effort at leveling the playing field. It's not fair in the cases of women lying to men that they are on the pill or similar and perhaps it shouldn't always apply. But for fuck's sake, don't be such a fucking asshole when it comes to the circumstances of a woman you've never met and will never know, simply because she's a woman.

Lovekraft · 2010-12-28T00:12:10+00:00

She should be taken to a counselling centre immediately and given years of training on how to use birth control and stay sober.

Title	Mother gives hours-old baby girl to California firefighters (Safe Haven law in action) - CNN.com
Author	tomek77
Upvotes	34
Comments	53
Date	December 26, 2010 12:54 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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