What is Your Guiding Philosophy on Men's Rights?

UnHope20 · 2021-07-24T14:01:11+00:00

I posted this several months ago in the MensRights sub. But I'm curious to know what how the people here identify.

While most are all here because we want to make a better society for men we are not all guided by the same philosophies.

I have noticed 5 types of men's rights activists. Which would you say describe you?

1. Conservative/Traditionalist (TradCon) The traditional conservatives believe that society has gotten off track and needs to return to traditional gender roles. They usually believe that sex differences in behavior are largely biological in nature. So as a result, many social problems that men contribute to are seen as a natural consequence of male biology being incompatible with radical feminist legal changes.

2. Mens Liberation (MensLib) Tend to be leftish wing in their views. They are essentially male feminists who apply feminist theory to how they analyze problems through the lense of radical feminists theory. They see all of human civilization as having been misogynistic and can only change by shattering gender roles. They tend to believe that sex differences are the result of learned gender norms. Social problems are attributed to toxic masculinity, the patriarchy and male entitlement. Feel that the solution to the issues that men face include dismantling patriarchy and teaching men to become more emotionally aware.

3. Evolutionary science Usually center-left politically. They believe that most of society lacks basic understanding of the science of sex differences. Tend view sex differences through a biological lense with acknowledgement that culture plays a role in human biology and vice versa. They tend to believe that social problems effecting men stem from the fact that the humans have cavemen brains living in modern times. Believe that problems can be addressed by practices and policies that are informed by science rather than ideology.

4. Egalitarianism Mostly center-left or Libertarian politically. They see society as having a different set of life options for males and females. See gender differences as coming from both biological and social factors. They believe that most problems stem from the fact that society gives men little options in their life choices and that this forces them to contribute to social problems in order to survive. For them the solution to the social problems facing men lay in legal reforms that require equal treatment of both sexes in every arena of society.

5. Radical Masculist Politically varied. View all of society and culture as inherently gynocentric. Traditional gender roles are inherently exploitative of males (protector-provider). In this view, civilization was built around the biological necessity of ensuring that the maximum number of females are reproductively successful. Sex differences emerge from biological influences and cultural differences. Social problems are the result of gynocentric culture (i.e., gynopatriarchy) that prioritizes female reproductive imperatives at the expense of male welfare. Both the liberal and conservative gender politics are seen as tools with which society enforce male disposability.

6. Humanism Believe that all humans are doing the best they can to do what they believe is right. Social problems stem from a lot of factors but are mostly attributed to misunderstandings or ignorance rather than sinister intentions.

Which position do you mostly agree with?

Are there any that you particularly disagree with?

PS. Sorry if I butchered or missed any positions. These were the main trends that I've seen. If you have others feel free to share.

DanteLivra · 2021-07-24T16:09:44+00:00

Feminists be like : I'm egalitarian !

Proceed to use evolutionary arguments to justify why women shouldn't be drafted.

Phantombiceps · 2021-07-24T17:44:55+00:00

Seems to me thar number 3 should be the backbone of each of the other numbers, not a number in itself. Understanding the basis of sex in biology doesn’t say anything about what to do next, no ought from an is.

Blauwpetje · 2021-07-24T18:18:35+00:00

Number 2, 3 and 5 don't necessarily contradict each other, do they? 2 is about practical policy, 3 about the scientific basis and 6 about the moral basis. While the other ones are all quite different.

Steyrox · 2021-07-25T12:27:31+00:00

Humanism.

I'm a bit burned on all the equality terms. Whenever people talk about equilibrium and balance they usually mean that their wallets or lives should have more "equilibrium". A bit like the famous "Americans and freedom oil" joke.

An anecdote to illustrate: In a prestigious architectural program there were a 80:20 women to men ratio among the students. Only a few decades back it was the other way around so lots of effort was taken to increase the ratio of women. Now that the tables had turned the national TV was interviewing them and asking the manager/headmaster there what they intended to do about this skewed ratio. The answer was that there was nothing they could do. They did however have a gender equality working group on campus. Guess what they were working on? Getting more female teachers in because most of the teachers were of the old guard.

Whenever I hear people talk about equality my skin starts to crawl a bit. I mean... people have all the rights to be selfish but lets not do that under the umbrella of justice and equality. That is just manipulative.

Edit: they tried to get more female teachers as most teachers were male

funkynotorious · 2021-07-24T16:24:01+00:00

I didn't know the term humanism before thanks op.

aerial_coitus · 2021-07-25T16:18:11+00:00

MGTOW

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