I wanted to discuss this comment but I didn't want to comment on a woman centric sub

OirishM · 2021-03-14T10:43:53+00:00

I don't get these people, really.

Women correctly point out that patriarchy/conventional gender roles/whatever you wanna call it brutalises men so many don't express their emotions.

Ok, good, well done.

Then they immediately take men's statements or absence of statements of their emotional state at face value.

Literally why would you do this, if you actually did believe men weren't good at expressing emotions. And when we do express our fear - our fear of being in public, for example - it just gets minimised because they'll move the goalposts to something different.

As for the usual talking point about severity of abuse - I don't think there is parity between things like abuse/harassment/DV, but the stuff that affects men, and the subset of that that is female perpetrated is not a small minority either, and it still matters. I have sympathy for when women are the minority victim case in an issue affecting both genders - it can make things harder to be taken more seriously. This is the same principle.

I can't help but notice that activists have moved the line back legally on what constitutes abuse - even nonphysical / emotional abuse. This is a good thing! Abuse is broader than just the most violent stuff.

And yet when men start saying, 'hey, I recognise that' - suddenly the gatekeeping pops right back up, and we get laughed at because it doesn't hit a certain level of severity.

I'd question the hypocrisy of this sort of people, but it seems like a feature, not a bug.

throwaway85807566595 · 2021-03-14T14:13:47+00:00

So many stories, not a single one including any fear of rape, death, or even physical violence.

Do most "stories" in threads with women talking about their rapes? My "story" had physical violence and resulted in a child I could not abort. I don't describe my rape in detail every time the topic comes up. If I did in a sub like TwoX it would be removed by mods.

Reddit admins remove men talking about their rapes so fewer people get to hear our stories...

https://www.reveddit.com/v/AskReddit/comments/f15nbj/men_who_were_sexually_harassed_assaulted_raped_or/

Long_Cut_7015 · 2021-03-14T06:50:58+00:00

feel very protective over terms like sexual harassment/assault. To these feminists seeing men discuss sexual assault in their own spaces uninhibited feels very threatening to them.

True, i've seen people on anti male subreddits say "it's crazy that men are appropriating terms like supremacy and bigotry"

In their minds these term can only be used by women against men !

knightfluttershy · 2021-03-14T11:19:39+00:00

The OP in that thread mentioned that no one said ‘not all women’ in regards to women making men uncomfortable. I’m pretty sure that’s because no one was claiming all women are potential rapists, however, many feminists claim all men are potential rapists which is why there’s a discrepancy

2021-03-14T17:59:38+00:00

I may be way off base here but I feel that this thread reeks of feminist insecurity. I think some feminists (#NotAll) feel very protective over terms like sexual harassment/assault. To these feminists seeing men discuss sexual assault in their own spaces uninhibited feels very threatening to them.

I think I had a very similar thought when looking at that "list of safety precautions men don't do" list.

Honestly, for some women this is part of their identity - the idea that they have it worse than men, and that life is so unfair.

It allows them to lord it over us, about how we owe them.

It allows them to come up with a scapegoat for the general suckiness of life.

It allows them to justifying unfairly pushing us to the margins of society.

It allows them to justify seeking and attempting to maintain special treatment and privileges.

When you think about it, their reaction to us becomes clear. The weird hostility, dismissiveness, and straight up hatred. They feel legitimately threatened by people advocating that women are no longer oppressed.

Then you have self-loathing men, the kind who like to think men are terrible, but they're one of the enlightened ones. They recognise their problematic nature and have feminist approval. Their reaction to us is also hatred, because it lets them feel superior; a more intellectual version of jocks bullying nerds.

I can't find it, but there was a post on r/feminism where a computer science student was literally crying angry tears, because she didn't make the co-ed hackathon team and falsely assumed she could just create her own all female team, with extra university funding for expenses and all. "Men can't even let us have this" was one of the things she said.

If that was men expressing that attitude, they'd be (quite rightly) calling us entitled manbabies. These people are so used to being put on a pedestal and prioritised, that they've developed an extremely low tolerance for life problems. "There must be someone to blame for this. Why aren't men doing more?"

E.g. Here's a quote from a women on BBC:

"What's so upsetting is it shouldn't be our problem," she told BBC Radio 5 Live. "It's not our fault. Women aren't the reason women get attacked."

TwoXChromosomes is full of women constantly looking to be offended by men. There was a post calling men pedos because someone on a Final Fantasy sub drew fan art of a 16/17 year old female character. She was literally just sitting on the floor, wearing an outfit from the game, one that showed a measley two inches of thigh.

Uniquenameofuser1 · 2021-03-14T08:45:08+00:00

In the United States, we refer to the idea that rape is only rape if explicit physical force is used a "Republican misconception about rape".

That poster has an extremely limited conception of consent, and I wouldn't be surprised if she has violated other people's consent in the past with the excuse that she's too weak to really be sexually abusive.

Title	I wanted to discuss this comment but I didn't want to comment on a woman centric sub
Author	bbshabob
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Date	March 14, 2021 3:07 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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