The Women Are Wonderful Effect Behind "Pick Me" Call-outs

OkLetterhead9 · 2020-07-15T10:46:35+00:00

This is what i hate the most about feminism, they pretend to be against sexist stereotypes but no one perpetuate it more than them: all women who disagre with them are slaves for men with no agency. only women are victims of domestic and sexual abuse. men are self sufficient and we should only create programs to help women, men who talk abut men's rights are baby and whiners etc etc ...

I don't even know if we can change this, it's almost impossible to make even 5 % of the society care about men's rights .. maybe the future will be even worst with more female politicians :'(

matrixislife · 2020-07-15T16:13:53+00:00

It's the same as feminists calling men who disagree with them incels or alt-right, it's a lazy insult that deserves no consideration to dismiss it.

All it does is show the shallowness of the one making the insult, they can't find anything actually wrong with the original claims so try to attack the character instead.

Strikester101 · 2020-07-15T13:53:11+00:00

Pick-me is to female men's advocates what "she's not going to fuck you, bro" is to male feminists. Disgusting.

They are also terms which are abused by anyone to label others for remotely being sympathetic or even having different opinions from them.

mhandanna · 2020-07-15T15:05:03+00:00

From this user: https://www.reddit.com/r/masculism/comments/gvme6g/experiences_with_feminists/fsqjmw7?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

It's usually a bad idea. I asked someone if they were feminist and they later told somebody else that I was laughing at her sexual assault story.

The thing with feminism is that there are a lot of crazies and misguided people that have changed gender discourse for the worse. The founder of the movement have roots in racism where they pushed for voting for white women over black men and were against passing the 14th and 15th amendment.

Then there are feminists who will say, well what damage has feminism done? Well the feminists on top who control the most influence and money have pushed for sexist legislation that harms men:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7s832j/dont_worry_a_man_will_clean_it_up/dt34lgm/

Feminism constantly ignores the issues men face and blames men for their own problems. If you were to tell them that men constitute 3/4 of all suicides, they'll say it's because of the patriarchy instead of saying how bad it is and what they can do to help.

Feminism discourages women to think for themselves and claims monopoly when talking about gender equality. According to them, feminism is the definition of gender equality, so if you aren't a feminist, you must be against gender equality:

https://www.latimes.com/fashion/la-ig-wwd-gal-gadot-revlon-20180109-story.html

"Whoever is not a feminist, is a sexist"

Feminism doesn't encourage critical thinking, nor does it emphasize using facts or data. Women who criticize parts of the movement are told that they have internalized misogyny to shut them up. It's as if the only way to be a proper woman is to be a feminist. Sounds pretty sexist to me.

Feminism is not the female equivalent of Men's Rights because they aren't just about pushing for women's rights. Feminism has a lot of misguided theories and off-the-wall ideas that it shoves down the throats of its members. These theories are either unproven or straight up false. The wage gap for example doesn't exist. I cannot hire a female in 2020 and pay her 80% of what I pay a male for the same position. No economist takes this statistic seriously. There have been multiple fair-wage laws such as the Lilly Ledbetter Act in 2009. There is no rape culture. Rapes in America are taken very seriously and they are prosecuted, not celebrated. In fact, men can be detained and prosecuted simply on a claim of rape, even if it is unproven. You get cases like Brian Banks where a girl can claim rape without proof and a guy can lose years of his life. FBI reports and police anecdotes have made the claim that false rape accusations happen 10-40% of the time. The Male Gaze is a derogatory theory that lumps every male who admires female beauty as some sort of creep. Women do this just as much as men, yet of course feminists don't acknowledge this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledbetter_Fair_Pay_Act_of_2009

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football))

https://old.reddit.com/r/Egalitarianism/comments/grgc8y/the_truth_about_false_rape_allegations_2_figure/

https://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/947/231/b83.jpg

The single biggest problem with feminism is that it is not rooted on reason or logic. It is a feel-good fantasy where its members are told exactly what they want to hear - that they are victims and it trains them to retaliate against any outside thought or any time they would have to take responsibility. As a person who is for science, data and progress, I cannot consciously ever become a feminist because of how its is founded on false hateful theories and how its members constantly resist being told the truth about feminist dogma. Any person that supports reason and open-mindedness cannot support feminism.

While Men's Rights strives to bring awareness of men using data and facts, the female equivalent of it is NOT feminism. The correct counterpart would be Women's Rights. This movement would focus on women's rights, yet leave out all of the feminist dogma and fantasy that its leaders have concocted to keep its members in order and to put down men. So again the difference here is that Men's Rights doesn't have theories like the Female Gaze or Castration Culture floating around. They simply look up the data from proper sources and they determine what are the most pressing issues that way. This is why Men's Rights is rooted on facts and logic, while feminism is anti-logic.

Feminism is a convenient crutch for a lot of women who cannot admit to fault. Look to no other than the wife of Reddit's CEO, or Serena Williams. She cheated in her match and was coached with hand signals. Does she admit it? Of course not. She cheated because tennis is against women:

https://nypost.com/2018/09/08/patrick-mouratoglou-i-was-coaching-serena-during-match/

Feminism is a cancer to the logical mind. It is an movement that is so easy and so attractive to women to jump into. It lures them into it by telling that all the problems in their life is due to a single source of evil: patriarchy. By doing this, it unites all of its members. It's really easy to because its members look alike and have similar mannerism as they are all women. Men can "help" out by being allies but of course they won't ever be true victims as women are.

But of course they will never acknowledge how women have longer lifespans than men. They won't admit that girls are doing better than boys in elementary school. They won't admit that more women than men are in college. Or that our court system gives women lighter sentences for the same crime. Or that men make the majority of suicides, homicides and the incarcerated. Or that more men are on the streets, have much worse homeless shelters and have little to no domestic abuse shelters. They use the most successful men, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, Bill Gates to then say all men are like this. It would be the same logic as say that all women are as rich or influential as Oprah. And of course feminists and society as a whole won't admit that over 90% of the black deaths by police officers, the ones Black Lives Matter is fighting for, are actually black men.

So it's a bad idea because you are talking about, very, very confused people who accept whatever they've been told by feminist leaders. They aren't open-minded, they aren't willing to hear new ideas and they will call you an enemy if you question anything they say. They claim the monopoly on gender equality discourse and will not hear thoughts from any other side. You are dealing with very, very close-minded people who have mechanisms to fight against any counter-think and see people as feminist or enemy. They are represented by powerful people in print as well as many celebrities. They have already infiltrated our schools so they can brainwash people in college with an essentially worthless degree. They take advantage of the fact that women prefer to listen to each other over men, because that's how they are wired:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism#Automatic_bias_for_own_gender

Women in general do not and cannot understand the issues men go through. This woman already has preconceived notions of how men have it. Yet reality hits her hard and she admits her expectations were wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZTIbHIsIYw

I would really question if you really think feminism is the way for you. I would ask yourself if you are for reason or for dogma. You can be for gender equality and you don't need to be feminist to do that. Good luck.

Blauwpetje · 2020-07-15T12:43:55+00:00

The idea women shouldn't want men's approval is already very sexist and authoritarian.

Melthengylf · 2020-07-16T21:19:49+00:00

It always seemed to me to be the equivalent to call men "incels" or "whiteknights".

omegaphallic · 2020-07-15T13:50:34+00:00

Interesting perspective, it makes sense.

IronGentry · 2020-07-16T08:56:02+00:00

"Pick me" is basically a cudgel of normativity. It's often just "whore" with extra steps, bashing a woman for behaving in a way that is unusual, unfeminine, or just offensive to the speaker by implying that they're only doing it to attract male (sexual) attention. There are parallels to "simp" in that it's used to describe someone behaving unusually under the assumption that it's for attention from the opposite sex, though pick me seems to be deployed more to control than insult.

A dilute version of the same sentiment is basically the premise of notliketheothergirls, which is more often than not low key shaming of women.

TheSourGrapes · 2020-07-16T08:14:02+00:00

I think it says more about the women who use the phrase more than anything else.

I think women who accuse other women of engaging in “Pick Me” behaviour where guilty of the behaviour they claim other women of engaging in. Such women where only ever friendly, kind, easygoing etc around men because they themselves had such ulterior motives and now erroneously ascribe those motives to other women’s behaviour. Not all of course. I think many where once friendly, kind, easygoing etc around men, for want of a better word, ‘pure’ reasons, but have now post factually rationalised their past behaviour to fit their current worldview.

Xemnas81 · 2020-07-16T22:12:13+00:00

Of course this is because feminism is a political project, in a sense about gynocentrism but only about feminists' own perception of what constitutes gynocentrism, which given women aren't a hive-mind will never be universal.

Unfortunately this Gotcha for feminism is for me also an elephant in the room to developing solidarity between men.

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