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Mother of a domestic abuser argues that her daughter should not have been prosecuted for domestic violence due to the risk to her mental health.

BarredSubject

June 8, 2020
63 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/caroline-flack-court-action-statement-from-mum-chris-1-6688807
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Title Mother of a domestic abuser argues that her daughter should not have been prosecuted for domestic violence due to the risk to her mental health.
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BarredSubject

Upvotes 63
Comments 15
Date June 8, 2020 9:59 AM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/gywi7k/mother_of_a_domestic_abuser_argues_that_her/
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Is anyone here familiar with the WASPI group in the UK?

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[–]BarredSubject[S] 36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't have a huge amount to say on this case. Ultimately the daughter committed suicide as a result of the prosecution going ahead. It was unfortunate, and I understand why her mother would be so upset. That said, I do find it bizarre that her opinion on this subject is even being published. Would anyone countenance for a second that a male domestic abuser should not be prosecuted because it may affect his mental health? It's just another example of a culture that demands that women be shielded from the consequences of their own actions.

[–]Douglas0327 22 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My take is she committed suicide because of the shame of her actions being exposed; her mother's just deflecting and in denial, understandably I guess, but not really newsworthy.

[–]functious 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately, it's not just the mother saying this. I'm British and ever since she committed suicide this has basically been the dominant narrative amongst the chattering classes and Twitterati. It started out as another excuse to stick the boot into the tabloid press for hounding her but morphed into the idea that the CPS was evil for holding her accountable for allegedly attacking her boyfriend with a lamp while he was asleep.

[–]czerdec 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

accountable for allegedly attacking her boyfriend with a lamp while he was asleep.

Who said that she had used a lamp?

The victim? The deceased aggressor? A third party?

When was the story recanted and what were the circumstances?

Did the victim recant before or after he learned that the aggressor would be prosecuted and would lose her high-prestige job unless charges were dropped?

[–]functious 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wtf why are you interrogating me over this like me being able to regurgitate the minutae of the allegations means anything whatsoever?

[–]czerdec 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These are rhetorical questions, not meant for you specifically. The hope is that somebody with the time and inclination will see it and upload the information. Apologies.

[–]Geiten 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, I dont think this is a case of sexism. It is not unusual for the media to interview the parents of alleged criminals, whether male or female. It is also not unusual for the parents to excuse what their children did or argue for leniency.

[–]BarredSubject[S] 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn't an interview, it's a statement, and the newspaper implicitly endorses its content. I really can't think of a single example of something similar happening to a male domestic abuser.

[–]YouLackImagination 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This:

My daughter confessed to an accident – not as is suggested - to an assault.

Followed by this:

In doing so he conveniently does not mention that my daughter offered to accept a caution

Shows that the mother has no idea what she's talking about - you can't accept a caution without admitting guilt.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is that like pleading no contest in the US?

[–]YouLackImagination 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the nearest equivalent would be a diversion program. They're discretionary warnings that police/prosecutors can offer for less serious crimes, sometimes having conditions attached, for example attending an anger management course. Cautions will show up on criminal record checks for some jobs, but expire sooner than convictions. Ideally, they're an opportunity to rehabilitate low-level offenders as well as to save the court system some money prosecuting people who are unlikely to re-offend.

Because a caution means accepting a criminal record, and also because the goal is rehabilitation, you cannot accept one without admitting guilt.

[–]Alataire 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think she was actually convicted of domestic abuse. As I understand, she was being prosecuted for domestic abuse. There is obviously a huge difference there. But I also think there is a large difference between how men who are prosecuted for cases like this are treated, and how women are treated. At the same time the fact that she is in the public eye gives it a different treatment.

It is important to realize that before someone is actually convicted - or acquitted of a DV crime, they end can get convicted in the public eye. It is not surprising that a case involving an influential beautiful woman starts the conversation on this. Although the case of Johnny Depp getting abused by Amber Heard is also pretty up there.

[–]czerdec 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/23/caroline-flack-love-island-presenter-arrives-court-face-charge/

If this is an accurate report of court records, somebody stated before a judge that the assault was serious and caused significant injury and was caused by a lamp.

I think we need to ask an English person to help us find the transcript of court statements. Are transcripts public?

[–]plitox_is_a_bitch 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Physically-attractive white woman. 'Nuff said.

[–]czerdec 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did she admit hitting him with a lamp or not? If she him him with something light that caused only a minor cut, I can buy the idea of making it a misdemeanor with community service.

But the prosecutor seems to directly contradict the mother's statement. If she never mentioned a lamp, or if there's no physical evidence of the lamp hitting him, maybe he's wrong.

Someone isn't telling the truth, and I hope justice was done. The prosecutor needs to clarify this: is there evidence that a heavy instrument was used to apply trauma to the victim, or is the mother's statement true?

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