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A dozen men are ambushed and forced to undergo circumcisions in Kenya (2014)

Itrusttheinternett

September 13, 2021
84 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715741/A-dozen-men-ambushed-stripped-naked-forced-undergo-circumcisions-Kenya-wives-complained-not-good-bed-circumcised-men.html#ixzz4emoiYnZ7
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Title A dozen men are ambushed and forced to undergo circumcisions in Kenya (2014)
Author

Itrusttheinternett

Upvotes 84
Comments 16
Date September 13, 2021 12:52 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/pnesg7/a_dozen_men_are_ambushed_and_forced_to_undergo/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/a-dozen-men-are-ambushed-and-forced-to-undergo.1068940
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Comments

[–]WeaknessTechnical654 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Horrible.

[–]TMP_MGM_PAPER 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember than WHO and UNAIDS both push for circumcision in these countries despite the fact that such violence already exists.

So in addition to local cultures having these attitudes, world-renowned organizations come in and claim circumcision will help against HIV. Of course they say it should be done with consent and anesthesia and so on, but at what moment can we ask them to take into account the context into which they jump to claim it will save Africa from AIDS ?

A quote about men circumcised by force in several African countries to fight AIDS (the so-called voluntary male medical circumcision programs):

"In my family there are some older ones who were caught and circumcised [by force]. Even some of them, due to that harsh pain and huge embarrassment, even today they aren’t right in the head. Many of them are still around today. They are just barely there though, physically there but mentally sick" (page 27)

all taken from the report to the UN at https://www.vmmcproject.org/

[–]syro23 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Apparently wives told on their husbands who weren't cut, thinking it would make them better in bed. If my wife did that to me. I wouldn't fuck her again... she would cease to be my wife.

[–]Slandora 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Why do they want men to be cicumsized so bad? It has zero benefits. It's so pointless and just straight up senseless violence.

[–]VeteranOfDepression 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Most of the time, they don't make that choice. They're either too young or were pushed to do it at a young age. Sometimes it's necessary if it's for a medical emergency, but most of the time it's the parents' decision

[–]Slandora 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I get that. I just don't understand why these people who have nothing to do with these guys or their families care so much about it.

[–]VeteranOfDepression 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Me neither.

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a right of passage for their tribe. This kind of thing happens all the time.

"It is a matter of enforced ‘integration’, and despite the men’s best endeavours to hide and seek help."

With the circumcison drives in Africa right now, and the stigmatization of the foreskin as dirty and spreading aids, this kind of thing will have gotten much worse.

http://empathygap.uk/?p=1675

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28746101

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/08/young-boys-forced-to-undergo-painful-circumcision-in-western-kenya\_n\_5662601.html

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's necessary in a miniscule amount of the population as the foreskin naturally takes up to the age of 18 to retract. Also, steroid creams, and stretching devices are available which have a high efficacy rate which would mean that in the population of people with phimosis, over 98% could be cured with these techniques.

"Of these 2%, 85–95% will respond to topical steroids. Of those who fail this, at least 75% will respond to stretching under local anesthesia, either manually or with a balloon. The arithmetic is simple: At the very most 7 boys in 10,000 may need surgery for preputial stenosis. No wonder the Canadian Paediatric Society calls circumcision an "obsolete" procedure!"

" As a result, he claims that only 0.07% of boys will require circumcision to rectify phimosis."

http://www.cirp.org/library/treatment/phimosis/

http://empathygap.uk/?p=1655

[–]drorago 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I learn so much in so few line. I'm 20 and I have phimosis (at least that what I understand by my amateur search). Having that is scarry as you don't heard of anything but circumscision. Anyway this conditions is hard to talk about and it's a big issue as I still live with my parents if I whant to do anything for that, they will know it. So , thanks you

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're welcome, I'm glad I could help.

I think that you should see a doctor sooner rather than later, but obviously make sure that you research these alternative treatments before letting the doctor talk you into, a very likely, unnecessary surgery.

You have to know what you're talking about before you see the doctor, because many of them see themselves as lordly and will talk down to you and try to make you feel that you couldn't possibly be right.

My girlfriend went to the doctor for her fibromyalgia and they said to her, in all seriousness, "You are allergic to the city air; you need to move to the country side." These people go through years of training and some of them wouldn't be able to tie their own shoelaces.

[–]Itrusttheinternett[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a right of passage for their tribe. This kind of thing happens all the time.

"It is a matter of enforced ‘integration’, and despite the men’s best endeavours to hide and seek help."

With the circumcison drives in Africa right now, and the stigmatization of the foreskin as dirty and spreading aids, this kind of thing will have gotten much worse.

http://empathygap.uk/?p=1675

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28746101

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/08/young-boys-forced-to-undergo-painful-circumcision-in-western-kenya\_n\_5662601.html

[–]Intellectual-Gamer 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit what the actual fuck. These sad excuses of human beings should rot in hell

[–]YesYesYesVeryGood 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, well I'm not sleeping tonight. Netflix it is.

[–]KitchenCamp 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

WTF I’d murder everyone of them one by one

[–]Therisius 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is beyond fucked

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