hey guys!! I would like to ask for your opinion on this situation since I'm always questioning myself and I'm too upset by this that I can not process it well. if this does not belongs here just let me know I'll take it down(context on first coment)

armaadi · 2021-09-30T03:40:39+00:00

TM is a catchall phrase.

Look it up on Wikipedia. The entry there has four or five definitions of it.

When people use it unironically, they are typically doing it to shut men up from talking about an issue.

"OH that issue? That's due to toxic masculinity. We get rid of that and the issue is fixed."

Yeah? We get rid of toxic masculinity and men will stop killing themselves from family courts stripping them of their children? From a society that doesn't give a damn about them? From suicide hotlines that are reluctant to treat men seriously? From dv hotlines that refer them to abusers programs? Riiiggghhhttt...

silent_thunder1618 · 2021-09-30T02:52:14+00:00

so this meme was the main topic and the comments were really nasty against men and toxic masculinity been the cause of men suicide, I post a comment there (I shouldn't have done it, there was no point) but this was the interaction and I think it proves the point but I'm not so sure anymore a little guidance would be appreciated

newyorkloser45 · 2021-09-30T03:23:27+00:00

You know he's full of it when he begins his counter-argument by calling you a dumbass.

manicraccoon · 2021-09-30T07:42:02+00:00

Toxic masculinity is BS. Just a way to victim blame men while pretending to show concern. Men have almost zero avenues of support when it comes to DV, rape, or sexual assault. Most therapists don't know how to handle issues men face. No one notices a man barely holding it under pressure. They only notice it when either the man breaks down or goes on a rampage. Then made into another example of "toxic masculinity". Men are people too. Just because they don't express their feelings in the "right way" doesn't mean it is toxic.

Mercy9989 · 2021-09-30T11:39:49+00:00

I hate that they had to pit masculinity after the word toxic, toxic masculinity doesn't exist, you're either a positive person or a toxic person, why did masculinity had to be brought in it.

Reddit1984Censorship · 2021-09-30T14:20:02+00:00

The problem is term ''toxic masculinity'' itself because it does imply taht masculinity is toxic.
What the term should be is ''toxic gender standars'' or ''toxic stadnars for men'', if feminist just changed the wording fo the term this whole problem would be solved, but yet THEY DONT because their intention is to blame masculinity for everything.

reddut_gang · 2021-09-30T18:35:25+00:00

toxic masculinity is just another bs way they victim blame

someone_somewhere345 · 2021-09-30T11:06:52+00:00

just think of it this way, women attempt more suicides but it's committed more by men because men actually believe in commitment and hard work. probably a stupid joke but hope it somehow helps

frednoname1 · 2021-09-30T13:02:52+00:00

We just are more successful.

Kindly-Town · 2021-09-30T08:30:10+00:00

Mathematically, it's not possible that X can have less suicide rate than Y but attempted rate is more than Y because suicide rate is always less than attempted rate.

Snoo-76699 · 2021-09-30T14:11:48+00:00

Op u are partially correct and on other hand the other person is horribly wrong . Next time check there other comments to know there perspective about something u are confident enough to defend it's quite good to know if other people is correct or not .this is because people now a days use words in a manner that sounds good but is not or just read about logical fallacy, and words or sentence for used to twist the meaning of the sentence .

symmetryofzero · 2021-09-30T05:24:31+00:00

Hey man. I have come to apologise, the insults weren't necessary and were uncalled for.

My points about toxic masculinity still stand.

So, I am sorry for coming in hot. That is on me.

cuccurucucu-paloma · 2021-09-30T05:44:37+00:00

Maybe you had a point but you used "females" instead of "women", it would be fine if you hadn't used "men" instead of "male". And also you made a generalization, if you want to say "not all men" when shitty people say "all men are trash" or "all men are rapists" then you can't go and post "females are ruining men", you are doing the same thing.

Also "toxic masculinity" is a thing and is perpetuated by women too. The problem, in my opinion, is that while the concept is right it should be called in another way because it is often misused. See it as "harmful stereotypical male behaviors", for example, when a woman expect the man to be the one to always pay or to "get over it" and not cry about something or to be always ready for sex, ecc... she is renforcing toxic masculinity.

WarAgainstLiers · 2021-09-30T05:47:04+00:00

Your wrong. "Men feeling like they can't talk about their feelings is toxic masculinity" is correct. That person did not imply men are to blame like you said. Society in general is to blame. That person was 100% with their comments.

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