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The women who accused that 400 men harassed her proved wrong.

NoahCharlie

October 15, 2021
333 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan/pakistan-leaked-audio-call-gives-new-twist-to-harassment-case-1.82900087
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Title The women who accused that 400 men harassed her proved wrong.
Author

NoahCharlie

Upvotes 333
Comments 54
Date October 15, 2021 9:04 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/q8kgze/the_women_who_accused_that_400_men_harassed_her/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/the-women-who-accused-that-400-men-harassed-her.1079415
https://theredarchive.com/post/1079415
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Comments

[–]slipkid223 82 points83 points84 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Tik Tok girl"

Didn't need to read any further

[+]AverageUnique -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The "Tik Tok girl" was actually sexually harassed by many men. She didn't lie about the sexual harassment. It's just that she used this situation to blackmail money.

[–]AK-69420 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's just that she used this situation to blackmail money.

You're saying this as if this is a good thing

[–]AverageUnique 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No I am not, I am pointing out that she chose to blackmail as a result of what happened. The reddit post title made it seem like her accusations were false which were not. Her being sexually harassed does not justify her blackmailing people.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The video looks pretty scary but it's far away and a big crowd. Her audio appears to be her although forensic analysis isn't finished. She's not denying she planned to extort money from the men arrested on her word. She's blaming a man...lol.

Maybe she was assaulted, if you could identify the assault and have a video of the assault then the men are guilty. She is guilty of conspiracy to commit extortion. They should all go to jail.

[–]syedalired21 70 points71 points72 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I am from Pakistan. And this is an over simplification. She posts TikTok videos, dancing on famous duets and other videos, and she planned to visit a public park on independence day.

The men there, mostly uneducated labor class men from very traditional backgrounds, went on an assault rampage and indeed groped and thre her around like a rag-doll for three hours before she escaped. The logic being any girl on social media is ok ok be touched and harassed cause she must be a slut. She went through a horrifying ordeal, and she didn't plan to be groped, she just went there to meet her fans. Not a good example bros.

Edit: The judgemental mob mentality in Pakistan is horrible. And men become victims too. The rural areas were full of "elder-councels" that doled out death punishments for men and gang-rape punishments for women. The government cracked down to the best of their ability against such "elder-councles" which were accepted by the villagers as the default court-system for many years. The horror is real.

[–]NoahCharlie[S] 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

ostly uneducated labor class men from very traditional backgrounds, went on an assault rampage and indeed groped and thre her around like a rag-doll for three hours before she escaped. The logic being any girl on social media is ok ok be touched and harassed cause she must be a slut. She went through a horrifying ordeal, and she didn't plan to be groped, she just went there to meet her fans. Not a good example bros.

Now this is something new that i've heard, recently i've read on many of your country's TV channels i don't know some ARY like that and they showed the audio clips in which she is demanding money from the suspects and her partner was saying that they are poor and we only demand like 4 grands and she said that's okay. The man Iqrarulhassan also apologized for raising that issue.

Edit: can you please translate that video, because the youtube auto transition is showing that she demanded 5k from the suspects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhXo_K_vOD4

[–]syedalired21 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Summary of the news broadcast.

4 policeman made a video of a private conversation between the victim Ayesha and her associate Rambo (who also features in her TikToks) and were reprimanded. As per Rambo, Ayesha wanted to demand PKR 500,000 from the arrested culprits in exchange for a pardon, and she also threatened Rambo to name his as amongst the culprits if he didn't cooperate. I think the authorities are taking action against the policemen who made the recording.

Nothing surprises me here, as it goes to show that people can be completely without principles. When she has the power, she is abusing it, when her harasses had the power, they abused it.

No gender is good or bad (sorry feminists but this is true), people abuse power in any way they can.

[–]NoahCharlie[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope that the culprits who assaulted her must be brought to justice, and i've seen the video of Maria journalist and she was questioning the the investigation team member and he assured that they will punish the harassers, because the prime minister has ordered him . And she must be charged with the abusing of power.

[–]syedalired21 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure. Will translate.

Just to be clear, I am not saying she isn't blackmailing people. Sadly, people can be either incredibly generous and honest, but also extremely selfish. Since the whole incident was on video, people who were involved would be in trouble big time. This means she would have the opportunity to take money and say who is innocent and who isn't. It is fucked up. Truly.

[–]--Reddit-Username2-- 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the local context. So important!

[–]SketchyPornDude 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What this woman experienced is horrifying. Whatever her original plan was, the situation spiralled out of her control very quickly. This community does not hate women, this is a men's rights forum, not a woman bashing mob. Post this somewhere else if that's what you're looking for. Dude whatever your plan was when posting this video, you're not going to find a lot of support here for this type of thing.

My heart goes out to her, she made a regrettable miscalculation and as awful as this is going to sound, I hope she's learned an important lesson from all this: if you deliberately throw yourself into fire, you're going to get burned. There's a lot of blame to be shared in this situation, all parties involved should be appropriately admonished or prosecuted for their role in this unfortunate incident.

[–]NoahCharlie[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (31 children) | Copy Link

Background: A Pakistani Tiktocker accused that 400 men groped and harassed her and all the national media, international media slammed those men. For days, weeks this case was in the media, court rooms, pubic forums, celebrities feminists, politicians, journalist from Pakistan and all over the world slammed those men. Even male celebrities apologized on behalf of all the men, she played victim card and gained attention, her followers increased and she earned a lot of fame. Fast forward, her calls recordings have been released and she made the plan with her partner and later blamed on him, then he told the whole story to media. It was all per-planned and she demanded a lot of money from the suspects to get bail.

[–]JennyConcinnity 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

So are you going to remove your story which is proven false or are you going to ignore the truth because you love to believe that women lie about sexual harassment.

[–]NoahCharlie[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhXo_K_vOD4

[–]NoahCharlie[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Translation: She accused and blackmailed her partner and she demanded $5k from the suspects and somehow they both fought for the money, I've seen the video, some of the men are really assaulting her, and this is horrible and disgusting and i will never ever support that, but accusing 400 men and bashing them 24 hours on media is also wrong. The whole media was fooled and even the prime minister of the country fell into the trap. They all took side and ignored the other the police even arrested the 90 year old man, and he was in jail for a week, that was the amount of pressure.

[+]JennyConcinnity -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

So she was attacked by a group of guys but you thunk she is lying because not all the guys attacked her. Wow that is some twisted thinking. Just admit you are find with assault and sexual assault because you hate women and stop trying to prove it because you just make your case look weak.

[–]Abstract_Knight 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She didn't lied about the harassment, she lied about who harassed her. This is the problem, she deserves justice but we can't hurt innocent people, you get it?

[–]JennyConcinnity 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I see what is trying to be said now. Thank you for the clarification.

[–]NoahCharlie[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

I don't hate women, i love women. Have you seen the video? I'm not sharing any vloger's video i'm sharing the official news channel's footage, and in this video the media is showing the statement of her partner and he is telling that she demanded the money from the suspects and threatened him to take the ransom money from the suspects. I live in another side of the word but i saw this news from a feminist tweet that 400 men assaulted a girl, i was so horrified and i followed the case, everyday whenever i woke up, i first check the updates, but i was disappointed, she fooled whole media, activists from all over the world even the prime minister of the country fell in.

[–]JennyConcinnity -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

How did she fool them? She was attacked!

[–]NoahCharlie[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are innocent people in the jail because of her, because their justice system is not good enough to find the real culprits. Please search on youtube, there are many before and after videos of the incident. Whoever assaulted her should be punished and she also must be charged. There are a lot of things in the investigation which her partner has revealed, but let's just focus on the case.

[–]killcat 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Gee since she planned to extort money from them maybe it's hard to trust that the whole thing wasn't a setup, I mean how did it all happen, why were they all there?

[–]velvetalocasia -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

How would you set up men to assault a woman?

[–]killcat 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Go to an area where there are many men, have a few accomplices that start the trouble, happens in riots as well.

[–]DeJuanBallard 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the weakest argument I've ever heard inmy life. This is what those echo chamber subs your in do to you. You think your making good points, but you are actually proving no amount of fact or logic will override your beliefs.

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who were u even replying to?

[–]PARACHUTING_MOOSE 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Some woman do lie, some don't, it isn't always the same, but yes OP delete this post.

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No need tho, many innocent ppl are in jail cause they accused them all

[–]PARACHUTING_MOOSE -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What ?

[–]someone_butnoone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The hell do u mean 'what?'. Read the comment

[–]The_ZMD 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What if she planned a fake assault with 2-3 people but it became a frenzy and lot of people got involved. Getting the money most probably is the only way she can hurt them. For poor person, that's a big amount.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The assault was on video....

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/shocking-footage-shows-hundreds-of-men-attacking-one-woman-in-a-park/news-story/d522266692edda3ea7482f554ebea4b2

[–]regularcomments 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Many women forgot that equality is not only about rights is about consequences too.Unfortunately, the law also forgot that.

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Mens rights: 'women shouldn't report sex assaults without evidence'

Woman: reports sex assault with documented video of it happening.

Mens rights: 'this is a false accusation'.

Wtf?

[–]NoahCharlie[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She blackmailed her partner and asked him to take the ransom money from the suspects and when she didn't give him his share, she threatened him. So he was arrested and the police retrieved his call records.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow, what a bad person. Still doesn't justify sexually assaulting her BEFORE she did all that.

[–]Oxynewbdone 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She went there knowing she would get assaulted. If I'm following this correctly

[–]velvetalocasia -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How would she know that?

[–]PARACHUTING_MOOSE 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Mens rights: 'this is a false accusation'.

OP does not represent the entire movement.

[–]syedalired21 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Uh no trust me, many women are also blaming the girl and they suspect her of pre-planning this. You have no idea the kind of shit male and female journalists pull.

A prominent female presenter/ show host once went to a park, with a brigade of Conservative female students and harassed couples and shamed them for "dating". That also got a lot of media attention. It's fucked up, but it's true.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No. Only garbage people are blaming a woman for being assaulted. Probably some women. Some men. But all garbage people.

[–]Abstract_Knight 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We are not blaming her for being assaulted, we are blaming her for hurting innocent people when she dennounced the ones that assaulted her. "You deserve justice, but we can't hurt innocent people in the process".

[–]Ok-Efficiency1842 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has eroded the claim of sexual assault to the point where it's meaningless. What's the difference between sexual assault and rape?

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Nothing. And the people that commit either are human garbage.

[–]Abstract_Knight 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Great, i would like to listen this more usually, cuz there's some men that has already received sexual assault and came here for talk about it, because they where nothing but "congratulated" for "having sex" on real life.

[–]lalatina_titina -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

By other men.

[–]PARACHUTING_MOOSE 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

True, but it's not like women care either. And then some feminists say men don't get sexually assaulted.

[–]lalatina_titina 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

I'll have to agree. But this sub could help instead of of blaming everything on women.

[–]PARACHUTING_MOOSE 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We try to help, but there's so little of us, because men getting sexually assaulted has become such a big joke and whenever we try to bring it up we get laughed at.

[–]lalatina_titina 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know but societal attitudes take a lot of to change. The best we can do is bring it up over and over until taking it seriously becomes the default.

[–]210101210 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But thus could help instead of of blaming everything on women.

Where did the comment blame women?

[–]lalatina_titina 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't directed at that comment. I've been frequenting thus sub for a while now and there's so much vitriol against women it's disheartening.

[–]210101210 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't directed at that comment.

You edited your comment.

I've been frequenting thus sub for a while now

To comment "By other men" when nothing was even mentioned.

there's so much vitriol against women it's disheartening.

So you are here to gaslight others.

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