Precise, cogent, data on the myth of 1 in 5 women raped/6 in 1000 guilty verdicts for rapist men, needed for intelligent argument.

63daddy · 2022-01-22T02:36:09+00:00

Feminist studies such as the famous Koss study are agenda driven and inaccurate. The Koss “study” asked women if they ever had sex after drinking and counted affirmative answers as sexual assaults, which later became reported as rape in the popular press. Google criticism of koss sexual assault study.

Forget biased studies and look at actual crime data if you want factual information. The Bureau of Justice for example wrote a document summarizing sexual assault data over an 8 year period. They reported 7.6 in 1,000 women reported being sexually assaulted. For college students the number was 6.2 per thousand. I used to work in higher education and found this to be very consistent with the number of reports we had per year.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsavcaf9513.pdf

Under the Cleary Act, college sexual assaults are reported by colleges and universities each year, so again this is an objective measure of sexual assault data. You can Google the sexual assault rates for a college for any given year, but again be sure you are looking at actual data, not biased “studies”.

caem123 · 2022-01-22T14:58:27+00:00

Yea. Somehow U.S. college campuses which are 2/3 women are more dangerous than war zones around the world, according to the rape statistics.

duhhhh · 2022-01-22T01:30:40+00:00

For statistical reporting, rape has been carefully defined as forced penetration of the victim in most of the world. Please listen to this feminist professor Mary P Koss explain that a woman raping a man isn't rape. Hear her explain in her own voice just a few years ago - https://clyp.it/uckbtczn. I encourage you to listen to what she is saying. (Really. Listen to it! Think about it from a man's perspective.)

She is considered the foremost expert on sexual violence in the US. She is the one that started the 1 in 4 American college women is sexually assaulted myth by counting all sorts of things the "victims" didn't. A man misinterpreting a situation going in for a kiss and then backing off when she pulls back, puts up her hand, or turns her cheek is counted as a sexual assault on a woman even if she doesn't think it was. As you hear in her own words the woman's studies professor and trusted expert that literally wrote the book on measuring prevalence of sexual violence does not call a woman drugging and riding a man bareback rape ... or even label it sexual assault ... it is merely "unwanted contact"

You see she has been saying this for decades and was instrumental in creating the methodologies most (including the US and many other government agencies around the world) use for gathering rape statistics. E.g.

Detecting the Scope of Rape : A Review of Prevalence Research Methods. Author: Mary P. Koss. Journal of Interpersonal Violence Volume: 8 Issue: 2 Dated: (June 1993) Page: 206

Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.

Src: http://boysmeneducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Koss-1993-Detecting-the-Scope-of-Rape-a-review-of-prevalence-research-methods-see-p.-206-last-paragraph.pdf

She is an advisor to the CDC, FBI, Congress, and researchers around the world and promoting the idea that men cannot be raped by women. There was a proposal to explicitly include forced envelopment in the latest FBI update to the definition of rape but after a closed door meeting with her and N.O.W. lobbiests, it mysteriously disappeared. She has many many followers and fellow researchers that follow her methodology and quote her studies. That is where most people get the idea rape is just a man on woman crime. Men are fairly rarely penetrated and it is almost always by another man.

Most people talking about sexual violence refer to the "rape" (penetrated) numbers as influenced by Mary Koss's methodologies, but in the US the CDC also gathered the data for "made to penetrate" (enveloped) in the 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2015 NISVS studies.

As an example lets look at the 2011 survey numbers: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6308a1.htm

an estimated 1.6% of women (or approximately 1.9 million women) were raped in the 12 months before taking the survey

and

The case count for men reporting rape in the preceding 12 months was too small to produce a statistically reliable prevalence estimate.

vs

an estimated 1.7% of men were made to penetrate a perpetrator in the 12 months preceding the survey

and

Characteristics of Sexual Violence Perpetrators For female rape victims, an estimated 99.0% had only male perpetrators. In addition, an estimated 94.7% of female victims of sexual violence other than rape had only male perpetrators. For male victims, the sex of the perpetrator varied by the type of sexual violence experienced. The majority of male rape victims (an estimated 79.3%) had only male perpetrators. For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims had only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (an estimated 82.6%), sexual coercion (an estimated 80.0%),

So if made to penetrate happens each year as much as rape then by most people's assumed definition of rape then men are half of rape victims. If 99% of rapists are men and 83% of "made to penetrators" are women ... then an estimated 42% of the perpetrators of nonconsensual sex in 2011 were women.

But since made to penetrate is not rape, the narrative is that men are rapists and women are victims and boys/men that are victims are victims of men. Therefore most of the gender studies folks create programs to teach men not to rape (e.g. /r/science/comments/3rmapx/science_ama_series_im_laura_salazar_associate/). Therefore there is justification for having gendered rape support services which means almost none for males victimized by females. These misleading stats are ammo to tell men to shut up about rape because 1 in 5 women are raped vs "only" 1 in 71 men and dismiss raped men because men are one group "nearly all the men were raped by other men" so somehow raped men are to blame because they are men...

And before you think that was just one study, it wasn't. The prior year numbers have been really close between the sexes most years.

2010 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf

2012 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/NISVS-StateReportBook.pdf

2015 survey results - https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/2015data-brief508.pdf

Scientific American - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known

data revealed that over one year, men and women were equally likely to experience nonconsensual sex, and most male victims reported female perpetrators. Over their lifetime, 79 percent of men who were “made to penetrate” someone else (a form of rape, in the view of most researchers) reported female perpetrators. Likewise, most men who experienced sexual coercion and unwanted sexual contact had female perpetrators.

And non CDC study...

A recent study of youth found, strikingly, that females comprise 48 percent of those who self-reported committing rape or attempted rape at age 18-19.

The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/the-understudied-female-sexual-predator/503492/

Another non CDC study...

a 2014 study of 284 men and boys in college and high school found that 43 percent reported being sexually coerced, with the majority of coercive incidents resulting in unwanted sexual intercourse. Of them, 95 percent reported only female perpetrators.

And another non CDC study...

National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions found in a sample of 43,000 adults little difference in the sex of self-reported sexual perpetrators. Of those who affirmed that they had ‘ever forced someone to have sex with you against their will,’ 43.6 percent were female and 56.4 percent were male.”

Time - http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers

when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).

If my information is not enough, try reading these five threads by problem_redditor with lots more studies and references.

https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/oc2yp0/some_sources_on_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys_part/

Just maybe, rape isn't a gendered issue and we should stop treating it like one. But if we acknowledge that, then we would have to point the blame at "rapists", rather than "men".

And it isn't just the US.

Feminists lobbied against gender neutral rape laws in India, so women are not rapists and men victimized by women are not rape victims. https://www.timesofindia.com/india/Activists-join-chorus-against-gender-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms

So a woman physically forcing sex on a man is not a rape in India, but a man breaking an engagement after having sex with his fiancee is a rape.

Israeli feminists were concerned if a woman raping a man was recognized by law, a man could threaten to make false accusations against the woman after the man raped her in order to keep her from reporting. Apparently false accusations are a problem for women, so they fixed this by blocking the legislation that would have made rape a gender neutral crime.

https://m.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape

Nepal feminists also blocked legislation there ...

Women’s rights activists had criticised the draft ordinance saying it wasn’t empathetic towards the plight of the victims. They said that having a provision saying even men could be victims of rape could could further weaken the women rape victims’ fight for justice.

https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/12/11/ordinance-amends-law-on-rape-but-fails-to-recognise-rape-of-boy-child-and-sexual-minorities

Even if you only care about women, you should still stop women from raping because the majority of men convicted of raping women were sexually violated by adult women when they were boys. Multiple studies in the US, UK, and Canada have shown this. Around 10 of them cited here.

http://empathygap.uk/?p=1993#_Toc498111528

So women not raping, and rape by women being acknowledged as traumatic and treated with compassion, would probably stop a lot of women from getting raped in the future. That should matter if the goal is to stop women from getting raped rather than to demonize men

delocalelectron · 2022-01-22T13:08:56+00:00

William Collins' book 'The Empathy Gap', pages 708 - 729 goes into the data, and the myths, in some detail. The chapter on 'violence' in 'Women First, Men Last' by Steven Adams is also worth a look, although less rigorous. The feminist MO is absolutely invariant, though - publish some outrageously biased reports, get your feminist friends to review these, then subsequently cite them in their own, tainted publications. Within a year, it becomes 'fact'. Then, use your contacts to influence Government policy.

DanteLivra · 2022-01-22T15:04:07+00:00

That whole feminist argument doesn't talk about the fact that sexual aggressions tend to be serial crimes. Meaning that one aggressor will most likely commit multiple aggressions until he is stopped (which can't be done unless victims report to the police). So even if 1 in 5 women had this experience, it doesn't mean that 1 in 5 men are aggressors, because there is not a 1 to 1 ratio to that crime. Sexual aggressors can make tens of crimes if not hundreds. So assume that this stat is true and unbiaised (its not) it still leaves us with between 1 in 50 to 1 in 500 men being a rapist.

So even with hugely inflated statistics we can show how clearly it's not a matter of men are the problem its always a matter of rapist are the problem. There's also multiple studies that shows that sexual aggressors are more likely to have prior sexual trauma. Atleast 1 in 2. And you know what kind of rapist we don't treat as a problem ? Those who happens to be women. So it's fair to assume that if we taught society to respect the consent of men, we could reduce sexual aggressions potentially by half, which would be huge for women and men alike.

But saying that men bad is easier than studying the phenomenon of crime so nevermind 🤷‍♂️

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2022-01-22T15:30:16+00:00

This is a copy-paste of another of my comments... Just to give a perspective of actual depth of false. allegations.

2-10% figure comes from cases which are proven false in court.

Considering that courts have a pretty high standard of proof, its safe to assume that they are actually false.

In contrast, only about 10-12% rape cases are proven true (convicted) in court.

Majority of cases (80-85%) never meet the legal criteria required for proving true or false definitively.. They can go either ways..

2% false cases doesn't mean the rest 98% are true... It only means almost 90% are unprovable either as true or false.

This does not include all reported cases, it includes only the cases charged by police.. A lot of times, police withdraws the case if nothing is found, or if the victim retracts or admits to lying. Those cases aren't included in the 2% stats..

Then there are such cases like.. slandering, spreading rumours, social media vitriol, etc... Which are not even reported. Let alone be included in any statistics.

The last one is equivalent of ''silent rapes' which feminist claim form the 95% of rape cases. (But victim never reports)...

If you go by that last logic, there is enough reason to believe that 95% of false allegations aren't reported either. And the victim (accused person in this case) often suffers in silence. (Same as silent rape victims)...

The second issue is that the studies about rape is based on 'legal definition'... Which us biased against men in most countries.

I'll give you examples of major democracies, you can research more if you want.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/623254/

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape

note here that it requires 'penetration' however slight. Absent penetration its not rape. Non-consensual sex by a woman with man doesn't count as rape, as she didn't 'penetrate' him.

Its neutral in some countries like Canada, Australia, South Korea, etc...

Not just that, taxpayer funded feminists groups have lobbied for gender-biased rape laws in some countries.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/activists-join-chorus-against-gender-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms

Same was the case in Israel.

The very fact that feminists and society downplays such a serious issue is the evidence on where they stand on 'gender equality'...

The studies that show over 10% girls report sexual abuse, are only conducted in females.
If conducted in males, with a gender neutral definition, they will give similar numbers.
Its based on self-reporting. No objective ingestion confirms or verifies their claims.

When objective investigation is done by police, only 10-15% rape accusations are convicted (proven true).. Similar numbers are proven false...

Feminists conveniently hide this data abd censor studies which shed a light on it..

Others have given you more data. You can use it.

Rachel794 · 2022-01-23T03:20:11+00:00

Upvote me if you’re sick of “Men can’t get raped”

Head-Medium-3007 · 2022-01-22T01:50:54+00:00

Tell her about DV too, about Erin Pizzey, about the Duluth model etc.

duhhhh · 2022-01-22T01:33:13+00:00

NISVS 2010 showed that in the past 12 months, 1.1% of men were made to penetrate and 1.1% of women were raped. Look at Table 2.1 and 2.2 on pages 18 and 19 respectively.

NISVS 2011 showed that in the past 12 months, 1.7% of men were made to penetrate and 1.6% of women were raped. Look at Table 1 on page 5.

NISVS 2012 showed that in the past 12 months, 1.7% of men were made to penetrate and 1.0% of women were raped. Look at Table A.1 and A.5 on pages 217 and 222 respectively.

NISVS 2015 showed that in the past 12 months, 0.7% of men were made to penetrate and 1.2% of women were raped. Look at Table 1 and 2 on page 15 and 16 respectively

Varies a bit from year to year, but pretty even overall. The numbers for perpetrators vary a little from year to year too. Something like 79-84% of made to penetrate (nonconsensual envelopment) victims are victimized by women. Something like 96-99% of rape (nonconsensual penetration) victims are victimized by men. So in the 2010s, it averages out that a typical year has about 60% men and 40% women as perpetrators of nonconsensual sex outside prisons.

Again, in 2010s about equal victims and 60/40 perpetrator split.

Blutarg · 2022-01-25T19:19:53+00:00

You might find this interesting:

https://www.city-journal.org/html/campus-rape-myth-13061.html

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