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"Men and BOYS (in schools) in British city to be coached to become “active bystanders” to challenge misogynistic behaviour & to "identify" men and boys who are abusive"

Alarming_Draw

May 27, 2022
95 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/27/plymouth-challenge-male-violence-active-bystander-training
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Title "Men and BOYS (in schools) in British city to be coached to become “active bystanders” to challenge misogynistic behaviour & to "identify" men and boys who are abusive"
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Alarming_Draw

Upvotes 95
Comments 48
Date May 27, 2022 7:19 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uz5mkp/men_and_boys_in_schools_in_british_city_to_be/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/1118375
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Comments

[–]Alarming_Draw[S] 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

I just checked the claim that they "asked both men and women their views"......NINETY ONE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE THEY ASKED WERE WOMEN(!!!!)

And their definition of "abuse" includes "unwanted attention", "feeling unsafe when jogging at night", "unsolicited online comments" in response to social media posts, and all kinds of other things....

[–]vaaralinen 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel unsafe when a woman looks at me or replies to my comment, does that count as abuse? Does it?

[–]Clemicus 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, whoever does that should be sent straight to prison /s

[+]Breakula -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s hard to say with a completely hypothetical example.

[+]Breakula -22 points-21 points-20 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

No, that’s false. Some of those things are considered harassment but not abuse. And the “other things” you reference? You are just straight up lying.

[–]TextDependent6779 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Some of those things are considered harassment but not abuse.

we agree. researchers don't. some research is still carried out putting those things under the umbrella of abuse, even though it isn't.

No, that’s false.

disprove anything? "no, that's false." doesn't actually say much.

[+]Breakula -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You literally just acknowledged it was false.

[–]TextDependent6779 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

sure, but "no that's false" doesn't give much to go on. afaik, you could have besn saying "no, that's false, no one considers those things as abuse", when in fact, many researchers do. or it could have been "no, that's false, those things aren't abuse, despite what other people may think".

[+]Breakula 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I did specify. I guess it doesn’t count if you don’t like the way I said it?

[–]bluechair01 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That analogy was all over the place.

Ladies and gentlemen, zero self-awareness

[+]Breakula -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How so?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Most of the things mentioned in the survey report are neither harassment or abuse, but just feelings.

[+]Breakula -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

According to you. Can you back that up?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it's spelled out in the survey. See chart 9a for instance. All top 4 answers involve feelings.

[–]63daddy 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Many U.S. colleges offer this training and I’ve personally been to a few condensed training versions of it. It’s all predicated on the idea most men are constantly waiting for the opportunity to sexually assault women, and the few good men must be attentive and willing to intervene.

Beyond the intervention however, it’s indoctrinating new students into patriarchy theory. Young men are told they are part of the collective that oppressed women and therefore they owe women. If a woman wants to speak, men had better shut up and listen, because in our man’s world women generally aren’t allowed to speak.

As reflected in the article, it encourages students to view any innocent thing as misogyny, which again is used to guilt males into being submissive to females. Young men are essentially told that because they are responsible for oppressing women, it’s their role to protect and serve women.

I think it’s really disgusting that education is being used to push such gender agenda.

Added:

Crime, including crime against women has decreased since the 80s & 90s, yet women are taught to be more afraid. Such scaremongering isn’t helpful to women either.

[+]Breakula -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This is not accurate at all.

[–]TextDependent6779 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

how it is not accurate?

you can't make a basic statement without explaining why you think that way.

[+]Breakula -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Like you did?

[–]TextDependent6779 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

63 explained his points, you said it wasn't accurate, and i asked you why.

i wasn't making a statement like you. i was interested in hearing you explain.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok stop dropping one liner "truth" bombs and explain what are you talking about.

[–]63daddy 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In the early 90s, violent crime was in the low 700s/100,000. By 2020 that had dropped to under 400 per 100,000.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

“Rape Is Way Down Over the Past Two Decades — But So Is All Violent Crime”

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/12/rape-way-down-over-past-two-decades-so-all-violent-crime/

The drop in the rape rate from the 70s to 2006 is even greater.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna13389272

[–]patxiku93 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Literall brainwashing

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they don't accept their lowly position as a white knight they will likely be considered toxic themselves, this certainly sounds like a program based on feminism.

But of course the real heroes were always be the women who set these programs up... strong enough and empowered enough to speak their truth.

[–]TheSnesLord 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Blood is boiling.

Because of the actions of a few utter morons, the entire male population is blamed and has given feminists the perfect excuse to further their misandrist agenda.

[+]Breakula -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What? How?

[–]TextDependent6779 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/02/opinion/blow-yes-all-men.html

https://juliecohenauthor.medium.com/yes-it-is-all-men-642172b959d2

https://jessica.substack.com/p/yes-all-men?s=r

these middle two in particular annoy me because all the examples they lists of how its all men, are easily explained by again saying "not all men". most men aren't going around making jokes like "find a mute girl when you want to rape them". - in fact, im sceptical this one is even a true story, because it sounds so absurd people are just casually joking about such a dark way to rape.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/yes-actually-it-is-all-men/

there's a lot of these. note the last one is even from a feminist website. its misandry.

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is it worth mentioning men are victims of violence and murder a lot more than women?

[–]Cortinagt1966 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless you actually look at the statistics you would never know. When a man is murdered at best it will get 20 seconds on national news. When a women is murdered we will have people coming on saying it proves the patriarchy, have 10 minutes of interviews, probably ask 100 women on the street if they feel safe and show the two when they say they don't. The BBC news is so biast on its reporting of these cases it is rediculous

[–]Alarming_Draw[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good point-For every single second of news coverage that male suffering gets, female suffering gets at least ten times that.

I think this is an important notion worth spreading to others here. It shows the imbalance in society and how its obsessed with female suffering while ignoring the reality that men suffer more.

[–]Alarming_Draw[S] 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

A FEMINIST organisation was given unprecedented power to pick its OWN reccomendations on "how to make society better"-the result? Boys in schools will face MORE hateful man bashing and brainwashing about how toxic males are, and males will be "TRAINED" to act as White Knights wherever a womans feelings are hurt. And organisations will attempt to "seek out toxic males"....

This is a whole new level of brainwashing, discrimination & hating on men.

This is the sort of shit that wants to turn decent & fair men into Gorillas on ropes held by feminists and turn us all into Will Smith idiots out to protect the Jadas of this world.

[–]63daddy 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And it’s been going on for a while with no end in sight, at least in the U.S. Former Education Secretary DeVos was worried colleges were not being fair to young men, and had even taken some corrective measures, but these have all been overturned by the current administration.

[+]Breakula -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That analogy was all over the place.

[–]TextDependent6779 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

coached to challenge misogynistic behaviour and identify abusive males.

no thanks, i already can and actually do that myself. i don't need to be coached to do that, and im sure most kids don't need to either.

like others have said, actual brainwashing. they're trying to limit free speech and critical thinking, they don't actually believe most people enable abusers.

i also hate how its only to challenge misogyny, and to prevent abusive men. they act like fuck the abusive ladies, while shrugging. all the men and women they may go on to hurt can go to hell i guess?

[–]Coomergen 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Libfems in america will be like “they aren’t real feminists” when discussing the misandrists, homophobes, and transphobes that are UK feminists.

Sorry honey, but I do not think the overwhelming majority of people in a group are “fake members”.

[–]Huffers1010 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm trying to think of circumstances in my life when I'd even have had an opportunity to do that.

Possibly it's because I'm the very antithesis of the hypermasculine stereotype - I'm a tall, skinny nerd who never had a huge interest in chasing women as a younger guy. As such most of the people I associate with are of vaguely similar temperament. Perhaps we're the least likely men to behave unpleasantly toward women in the way that this article vaguely implies (and it is vague, giving no examples).

Even so, I've worked in ten countries and run departments of up to about ten people at all levels of experience and seniority, and I can think of exactly two incidents in my adult life where I felt people were being outspokenly and directly unpleasant about women. Two, ever. And in neither case was I really able to do much about it, being in a junior position. Even if you accept the sort of implied, unspoken, perhaps unconscious biases that hardline feminism like to claim are endemic it's just not something that comes up very much in my experience. Most men simply won't have any opportunity to put this training into practice.

The dangerous thought is that a lot of these people have been radicalised into seeing things that aren't there. The problem is that in that situation no matter how hard we try, we can't solve a problem that barely exists, or at least doesn't exist in the way people seem to think it does. That's the sort of unscratchable itch that leads to an endless spiral of radicalisation and extremism and that's not ultimately helpful to anyone; it doesn't seem to make them very happy either.

It seems almost unfair to point this out as it's such a soft target, but the opposite is not true. Women's rights activists constantly publish direct and outspoken attacks on men, including explicitly encouraging violence. In this subreddit alone we've seen three (edit: four! 1, 2, 3, 4) books mentioned in the last twenty-four hours which have no purpose but to unequivocally encourage women to abuse, lie about, and even assault and murder men as for no reason other than to punish men for being men. This is done with the full support of large organisations including governments, even though it is often against their rules, including national laws.

Even if you are one of the people who manages to conclude this is somehow justified you must be logically aware that it is not going to make you any friends.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here.

Maybe it's a case of birds of a feather flock together, but I have so much trouble squaring all of this "call out other men" with my own life experience.

I feel the cost of the damage to these boys being "enlisted" will far outweigh the hoped-for benefit to women.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

More white feather stuff. Boys and men are expected to engage in conflict with other males in order to protect women. This extends to protecting womens' feelings and can apply even in the total absence of women.

[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm reminded of 2 things...

  • https://archive.ph/v8Luo
  • Fashion boss 'attacked and kicked' on Tube condemns two men who walked away and left her to defend herself
  • A fashion chief executive who claims she was verbally and physically assaulted on the Tube has condemned two male passengers for not coming to her aid.
  • Tamara Cincik, Founder & CEO of consultancy company Fashion Roundtable, said she was attacked by an "unwell" man as she travelled from her home in Highgate to a business meeting in Old Street.
  • But she said that two men sitting close to her did not try and help her at all and instead walked away, leaving her with the aggressive man who screamed and swore at her and kicked her.

And also I'm reminded of the last episode of Seinfeld.

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Finale_(Seinfeld)
  • Elizabeth Clark calls Jerry and George from the office of NBC President James Kimbrough, offering a deal to produce their pilot Jerry as a series. Jerry and George will be moving to California to begin work. Jerry is given use of NBC's private jet and he, George, Elaine, and Kramer decide to go to Paris for "one last hurrah". Elaine calls her friend Jill. First, she can't get any reception with her cell phone on the street. Then, Jerry calls her with news of the pilot pickup and Elaine hangs up on Jill to take the call.

  • On the plane, Kramer desperately tries to get the water out of his ears from a trip to the beach by jumping up and down. He stumbles into the cockpit, causing the pilots to lose control. They make an emergency landing in the town of Latham, Massachusetts. While waiting for the airplane to be repaired, they witness an overweight man named Howie getting carjacked at gunpoint. They make fat jokes while Kramer films the theft on his camcorder. Howie tells an officer nearby, who arrests the group on a duty to rescue violation that requires bystanders to help out in such a situation.

  • Kramer calls on Jackie Chiles to represent them for the upcoming trial. The prosecution has the eyewitness testimonies of Howie and the responding officer and Kramer's camcorder recording as proof of their violation, but because this is the first case implementing this law, District Attorney Hoyt stacks the case against them as much as possible by summoning numerous character witnesses. Nearly everyone the defendants have met over the past nine years is brought in to testify to their unethical behavior, both real and assumed, to the point where the judge calls a halt to the testimonies in the simple interest of time.

  • The jury finds Jerry, George, Elaine, and Kramer guilty of criminal indifference, and the judge sentences them to a year in prison. While awaiting their prison transport, Kramer finally gets the water out of his ears. Elaine decides to use her one phone call from prison to call Jill, saying that the prison call is the "king of calls".

Looks like the Seinfeld writers may have channeled the future, boys are now told they have to intervene to help women.

[–]Alarming_Draw[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its trying to make Chivalry into law by stealth.

[–]Aimless-Nomad 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

More examples given below

Feminists even think their own sons are rapists.

They write delusional pieces on male power, again concerning their own sons

There are hundreds of articles like this on how they indoctrinate their sons

Another one here (just search, see how many there are)

And we now we have hundreds of videos on how they are proudly indoctrinating their infant boys

Like seriously look at this shit

Even TED

Another one (plenty more where that came from, just search)

Schools are doing it too. This one is particularly despicable. They made boys apologize to girls for the crimes of their gender

A post from 6 years ago (from a sub banned for 'hate'):

​ A 14 year old friend of mine got suspended for telling a student(girl) feminist in his class that the wage gap was a myth. She cried and he got an inschool suspension, he then gets an essay assignment(unrelated) to write about why feminism is a great movement and how The Great Gatsby is patriarchal and sexist. He's stuck in the downward spiraling loop of punishment by the school for things he thinks are bullshit and is voicing himself. He is pulling F's in all his classes and he feels rejected by the education system, how do I get it through his head that school is important and help him feel that he still has control in his life? Should he speak out against his school, his teachers, what should I tell him? His teacher is saying that everything bad in society is his fault and that being a man is sexist. You must be a feminist.

This is the 'assignment'

And if all that is too much effort,just kill them so they won't abuse women in the future.

​

The dads on duty program is enough to show you how much of an effect men have on children.

​This mass propaganda spread by feminists claiming men are useless and women can be both the parents (while leeching child support and welfare, not so strong and independent for that eh?) is horseshit as data proves they failed miserably in that regard.

Check out the Boy Crisis by Warren Farrell to see how stupid of a move this was/is.

Fathers doing something as simple as roughhousing their kids is crucial for their development. But women don't know/care about that do they?

And the government/courts doesn't give a shit as it gets a piece of every cent of alimony and child support.

Nearly 80 percent of the suicides are men which no one cares about in a gynocentric society.

[–]Alarming_Draw[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reality is modern feminists like these are paranoid. So if society acts on their irrational fears, all it does is end up hurting both men, and therefore society itself in the long run.

[–]peteypete78 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rebecca Smith, the chair of the commission, said: “Violence against women and girls happens on a daily basis, be it in an email or text, verbally or physically.

Rebecca needs to learn what words mean, only one of these is violence.

[–]Alarming_Draw[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the ultimate irony is that studies have shown that it is WOMEN who create the most abuse on social media-60 percent of abusive social media comments are from women. So the women complaining that online negative comments=abuse are both wrong in calling it "abuse", and wrong in blaming men for it!

[–]Lionheart27778 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Tbf.....the type of guys who would volunteer for this obvious bullshit are probably the soy swigging type anyway.

I just have an image of the captain of the chess team squaring up to a quarterback becouse he didn't like his behaviour.

If this is in high schools.....all they are gonna be trained for is getting beat up.

[–]Alarming_Draw[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. They are targeting all organizations and groups to seek men to be their bodyguards too.... and the report says "the younger we can get to boys to teach them not to behave misogynistic the better..."

[–]Greg_W_Allan 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just have an image of the captain of the chess team squaring up to a quarterback becouse he didn't like his behaviour.

Not particularly relevant but I was captain of the chess, football and basketball teams in my high school. It is possible to do more than one thing.

[–]NutsLikeMelons 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m starting to think we should nominate 2023 to be a year of actual male dominance. Let’s give the world a glimpse of what that would look like if we just took feminism and said “nope, that’s cancelled now”. Eventually men as a whole will have had enough of this. Better to fix it now rather than later.

[–]Practical-Rip6471 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They can EFF right off. Grown up all my life hearing , you think I can do it because I'm a woman, every the I've offered help. Now, as I said, they can ....!

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