Transgender man convicted of assault for having sex with women who did not know he was using a prosthetic device

a-man-from-earth · 2022-05-27T03:32:03+00:00

This is a trans issue, not specifically a male issue. Wrong sub.

Your_Nipples · 2022-05-27T00:54:27+00:00

I believe that it is not the first time that happened.

Now, flip the genders for one sec...

Exactly!

Zinziberruderalis · 2022-05-26T23:59:33+00:00

A transgender man was convicted of assault by penetration for having sexual relationships with three women who did not know he was using a prosthetic device.

How prosthetic does a penis have to be before it becomes illegal to use without notice? should you tell your partner if you use PDE5 inhibitors? should it be a crime for a neo-vagina user to have intercourse with a man without telling him?

RelativisticFlower · 2022-05-27T01:06:50+00:00

Let's be honest: this is about the duty trans people have to disclose the fact that they are trans before they have sex with people. It's an issue I struggle with. If I tell a woman that I'm a billionaire so that she'll sleep with me, I think most people would say that's at least rape-y. Some may even flat out call it rape. If somebody who is HIV+ doesn't disclose their HIV status before having sex with others (even protected sex,) that is absolutely morally reprehensible, and very few would argue otherwise, even though chances of transmission would practically be 0.

It simply is the case, unfortunately, that most cis people, myself included, would not be comfortable having sex with a trans person. I acknowledge that it is a discomfort as a result of ignorance, lack of interaction with, and ultimately a deeply held belief about trans people, however a discomfort I have nonetheless. If I unknowingly had sex with a trans person, and I found out afterwards, I would feel something akin to, though ultimately much less damaging than having been raped, I think. That being said, to what degree are others required to probe inside my mind to discern what would personally offend my sense of sexual comfort? And if they fail to identify something that would make me feel uncomfortable, and then act in a way that violates my sense of comfort, should they be charged with assault? I'm super hesitant to even consider the argument from anybody who would say 'yes'.

These are questions I don't have answers to. Here's all I can say for sure regarding my opinions: ideally, one would disclose that they are trans, however I certainly understand the apprehension, for both safety concerns and the fact that it must be really hard to date as a trans person, particularly a trans woman. Generally speaking, trans people don't want to be seen as trans people, they want to be seen as people. They're not identifying as a trans woman, they are identifying as a woman. Would it not be disruptive to their sense of comfort to have to disclose their transness every damn time they have sex with somebody new?

In this particular case, I think charging him with assault is ridiculous, but had it happened to me, I don't know if I would be saying that still. I suppose it's a battle between my feelings, whose validity is supposedly unquestionable, and being a sympathetic and rational human.

NotCis_TM · 2022-05-27T03:42:56+00:00

While there's some transphobia here, I don't see any misandry. Also, the case seems to be mostly about domestic abuse with the protestic penis being more a detail rather than the central focus.

"Tarjit Singh, who was born as Hannah Walters, presented himself as a man, wore men's clothing and used a man's name. He tricked three innocent women into believing he was male and when questioned, he violently attacked them and intimidated them into continuing relationships.

When the victims began to ask questions, Singh became abusive and manipulative and told one of them there was more to a relationship than sex and that she should learn to talk about her feelings more.

Singh was convicted of three counts of assault by penetration, six counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and one count of making a threat to kill following a trial at Snaresbrook Crown Court.

Source: https://news.sky.com/story/tarjit-singh-transgender-man-tricked-women-into-sexual-relationships-by-using-prosthetic-penis-12621386 (I found this link in the webpage linked this reddit post)

MelissaMiranti · 2022-05-27T00:31:18+00:00

What other body parts should qualify for rape if they're prosthetic? If I have a glass eye, does that make it rape? What about false teeth? Pacemaker?

Title	Transgender man convicted of assault for having sex with women who did not know he was using a prosthetic device
Author	Zinziberruderalis
Upvotes	9
Comments	24
Date	May 26, 2022 11:56 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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