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Toddler dies in botched circumcision

Zinziberruderalis

December 8, 2021

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Title	Toddler dies in botched circumcision
Author	Zinziberruderalis
Upvotes	472
Comments	120
Date	December 8, 2021 11:07 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rc3ifc/toddler_dies_in_botched_circumcision/
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"Homicide detectives have been called in to investigate the horrific incident, however officials at the Western Australian Police Force have confirmed his death is no longer being treated as suspicious. It can be confirmed the boy underwent a medical procedure at a registered medical centre prior to his death, police said. The investigation has been handed to the coroner and a report will be prepared by police."

Both of these babes, brothers, were sexually mutilated by the same butcher at the same a medical centre, so there will be nothing done about it. Coroners in Australia will scream out when women are offended or inconvenienced, but have nothing to say about male babies murdered during an unnecessary cosmetic procedure. All that will be said is "too bad" "so sad". This will make a lot of feminist happy.

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In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to eradicate. -Athol A. W. Johnson, On An Injurious Habit Occasionally Met with in Infancy and Early Childhood, The Lancet, vol. 1 (7 April 1860): pp. 344-345.
I refer to masturbation as one of the effects of a long prepuce; not that this vice is entirely absent in those who have undergone circumcision, though I never saw an instance in a Jewish child of very tender years, except as the result of association with children whose covered glans have naturally impelled them to the habit. M. J. Moses, The Value of Circumcision as a Hygienic and Therapeutic Measure, NY Medical Journal, vol. 14 (1871): pp. 368-374.
There can be no doubt of [masturbation's] injurious effect, and of the proneness to practice it on the part of children with defective brains. Circumcision should always be practiced. It may be necessary to make the genitals so sore by blistering fluids that pain results from attempts to rub the parts. Angel Money, Treatment of Disease in Children. Philadelphia: P. Blakiston. 1887, p. 421.
A remedy [for masturbation] which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment. John Harvey Kellogg, Treatment for Self-Abuse and Its Effects, Plain Facts for Old and Young, Burlington, Iowa: P. Segner & Co. 1888, p. 295.
Measures more radical than circumcision would, if public opinion permitted their adoption, be a true kindness to many patients of both sexes. Jonathan Hutchinson, On Circumcision as Preventive of Masturbation, Archives of Surgery, vol. 2 (1891): pp. 267-268.
In all cases of masturbation circumcision is undoubtedly the physicians' closest friend and ally ... To obtain the best results one must cut away enough skin and mucous membrane to rather put it on the stretch when erections come later. There must be no play in the skin after the wound has thoroughly healed, but it must fit tightly over the penis, for should there be any play the patient will be found to readily resume his practice, not begrudging the time and extra energy required to produce the orgasm. It is true, however, that the longer it takes to have an orgasm, the less frequently it will be attempted, consequently the greater the benefit gained. E. J. Spratling, Masturbation in the Adult, Medical Record, vol. 24 (1895): pp. 442-443.
Clarence B. was addicted to the secret vise practiced among boys. I performed an orificial operation, consisting of circumcision ... He needed the rightful punishment of cutting pains after his illicit pleasures. N. Bergman, Report of a Few Cases of Circumcision, Journal of Orificial Surgery, vol. 7 (1898): pp. 249-251.
Not infrequently marital unhappiness would be better relieved by circumcising the husband than by suing for divorce. A. W. Taylor, Circumcision - Its Moral and Physical Necessities and Advantages, Medical Record, vol. 56 (1899): p. 174.
Finally, circumcision probably tends to increase the power of sexual control. The only physiological advantages which the prepuce can be supposed to confer is that of maintaining the penis in a condition susceptible to more acute sensation than would otherwise exist. It may increase the pleasure of coition and the impulse to it: but these are advantages which in the present state of society can well be spared. If in their loss, increase in sexual control should result, one should be thankful. Editor, Medical News. (A Plea for Circumcision) Medical News, vol. 77 (1900): pp. 707-708.
It has been urged as an argument against the universal adoption of circumcision that the removal of the protective covering of the glans tends to dull the sensitivity of that exquisitely sensitive structure and thereby diminishes sexual appetite and the pleasurable effects of coitus. Granted that this be true, my answer is that, whatever may have been the case in days gone by, sensuality in our time needs neither whip nor spur, but would be all the better for a little more judicious use of curb and bearing-rein. E. Harding Freeland, Circumcision as a Preventive of Syphilis and Other Disorders, The Lancet, vol. 2 (29 Dec. 1900): pp. 1869-1871.
Another advantage of circumcision ... is the lessened liability to masturbation. A long foreskin is irritating per se, as it necessitates more manipulation of the parts in bathing ... This leads the child to handle the parts, and as a rule, pleasurable sensations are elicited from the extremely sensitive mucous membrane, with resultant manipulation and masturbation. The exposure of the glans penis following circumcision ... lessens the sensitiveness of the organ ... It therefore lies with the physician, the family adviser in affairs hygienic and medical, to urge its acceptance. Ernest G. Mark, Circumcision, American Practitioner and News, vol. 31 (1901): pp. 121-126.
Boys ought to be circumcised -- the permanent and tempting invitation to masturbation in the form of the foreskin being removed in their early infancy, before sexual feelings are experienced, and the vicious counsel of other boys is received... There is some reason, then, and excuse as well, why boys should be boys, endowed as they are with anatomical conditions, as well as traits, calculated to lead them astray. Brandsford Lewis. A Plain Talk on Matters Pertaining to Genito-Urinary Anatomy, Physiology and Diseases (Part 1). American Journal of Dermatology and Genito-Urinary Diseases 1903;7:201-209.
Circumcision promotes cleanliness, prevents disease, and by reducing oversensitiveness of the parts tends to relieve sexual irritability, thus correcting any tendency which may exist to improper manipulations of the genital organs and the consequent acquirement of evil sexual habits, such as masturbation. Lydston G. Frank, Sex Hygiene for the Male. Chicago: Riverton Press, 1912.
The foreskin is a frequent factor in the causation of masturbation ... Circumcision offers a diminished tendency to masturbation ... It is the moral duty of every physician to encourage circumcision in the young. Abraham L. Wolbarst, Universal Circumcision, Journal of the American Medical Association, vol. 62 (1914): pp. 92-97.
Circumcision not only reduces the irritability of the child's penis, but also the so-called passion of which so many married men are so extremely proud, to the detriment of their wives and their married life. Many youthful rapes could be prevented, many separations, and divorces also, and many an unhappy marriage improved if this unnatural passion was cut down by a timely circumcision. L. W. Wuesthoff, Benefits of Circumcision, Medical World, vol. 33 (1915): p. 434.
The prepuce is one of the great factors in causing masturbation in boys. Here is the dilemma we are in: If we do not teach the growing boy to pull the prepuce back and cleanse the glans there is the danger of smegma collecting and of adhesions and ulcerations forming, which in their turn will cause irritation likely to lead to masturbation. If we do teach the boy to pull the prepuce back and cleanse his glans, that handling alone is sufficient gradually and almost without the boy's knowledge to initiate him into the habit of masturbation ... Therefore, off with the prepuce! William J. Robinson, Circumcision and Masturbation, Medical World, vol. 33 (1915): p. 390.
I suggest that all male children should be circumcised. This is 'against nature', but that is exactly the reason why it should be done. Nature intends that the adolescent male shall copulate as often and as promiscuously as possible, and to that end covers the sensitive glans so that it shall be ever ready to receive stimuli. Civilization, on the contrary, requires chastity, and the glans of the circumcised rapidly assumes a leathery texture less sensitive than skin. Thus the adolescent has his attention drawn to his penis much less often. I am convinced that masturbation is much less common in the circumcised. With these considerations in view it does not seem apt to argue that 'God knows best how to make little boys.' R. W. Cockshut, Circumcision, British Medical Journal, vol. 2 (1935): 764.
[Routine Circumcision] does not necessitate handling of the penis by the child himself and therefore does not focus the male's attention on his own genitals. Masturbation is considered less likely. Alan F. Guttmacher, Should the Baby Be Circumcised?, Parents Magazine, vol. 16 (1941): pp. 26, 76-78.
Parents readily recognize the importance of local cleanliness and genital hygiene in their children and are usually ready to adopt measures which may avert masturbation. Circumcision is usually advised on these grounds. Meredith F. Campbell. The Male Genital Tract and the Female Urethra. in: Campbell's Urology. vol. 2. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company. 1970:1836.

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Who is incentivized to bring in this “revenue” that you claim is so lucrative in circumcision? It’s not the individual doctors doing them. So….why would the money be a consideration in doctors doing the procedure? Doctors really don’t care what the hospital revenues are. They get paid separately from the hospital and it’s not worth it to them to promote the procedure based on money.

Where does the hospital get its money to pay?

Professional organizations that decide that the risk/benefit is in favor of circumcision have no financial incentives to do so. The CDC doesn’t care, the AAP doesn’t care, financially speaking. These studies are done by epidemiologists and not by surgeons! Large data bases are culled by non surgeons who have no dog in the fight, and all kinds of data are sorted for analysis by pointy-headed academics who mostly don’t even practice real Medicine. Good grief. You don’t even know the system!

That guy BJ Morris that everyone here hates is an academic! He does studies, he didn’t even do circumcisions at all! Holy cow the level of suspicion on these discussions is beyond rational. He discovered the renin-angiotensin system, he’s not a “surgeon doctor”. He’s a biologist.

People only do things if there's a financial incentive? His association with pedophile Vernan Quaintance and the Gigal Society is just coincidental?

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