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Radicalizing Young Men

IGotBigHands

May 24, 2022
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https://www.salon.com/2022/05/24/amber-heard-on-trial-johnny-depps-defamation-case-is-radicalizing-young-men/
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Title Radicalizing Young Men
Author

IGotBigHands

Upvotes 43
Comments 28
Date May 24, 2022 7:54 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]63daddy 45 points46 points47 points 4 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Why would any magazine even one as low as Salon publish such utter Rubbish.

One of the first things that floored me was referring to critical race theory as right wing. Does the author live in a mirror universe where everything is reverse? Critical race theory (a part of critical theory) was developed largely by the Frankfurt School and has been a huge influence on identity politics pushed primarily by the left.

Being anti-feminist typically means one doesn’t think women deserve to be advantaged over men. It has nothing to do with white nationalism. Anti-feminism is a reaction to feminism, not white nationalism. This should be obvious.

A judge looked at the preliminary evidence and decided Depp’s case was a legitimate case and should go to trial. Who is the author to think she knows better than a judge? (Win or lose, the case itself is legitimate).

Also, why would someone seeking justice through legal means radicalize young men? It seems to me movements like MeToo which try to circumvent justice are what radicalize people. There’s nothing radical about using our legal system as it’s designed to be used.

I’d like to know just what drugs the author was on when she wrote this fantasy.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's using the word radicalized to imply that MRA's are grooming young men to be radical gender terrorists.

Why read anything on Salon? I don't read reddit except here and stop reading those feminist click bait rags a long time ago.

[–]63daddy 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You and I recognize this for the crap it is, but many buy into it. It’s not just pushed on rags like Salon, it’s all over social media and even pushed at colleges.

People here call it off the rails (which it is) but this is precisely how many policies of discrimination against males begin.

If nobody cared about this crap, MeToo would be ineffective. MeToo works precisely because too many people give into this kind of nonsense.

[–]iainmf 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

floored me was referring to critical race theory as right wing.

She saying that right-wingers are freaking out about CRT, not that CRT is right-wing.

Ironically, the article is resting on critical theory. It's all about people believing 'narratives', and not concerned with objective reality. The concern is a narrative might give power to people they don't like.

[–]63daddy 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She referred to it as conspiracy theory. She probably didn’t mean critical race theory itself is a conspiracy theory (which one could claim it is). She’s saying it doesn’t actually exist, so when right-ringers scrutinize the left using critical race theory, she’s saying they are just making it up.

Obviously critical race theory exists. Many articles have been written about it, and obviously it influences left wing identity politics.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amanda Marcotte is mad because she's losing the youth. It's like a monarch getting more and more scared as she knows the guillotine is getting nearer each year.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

referring to critical race theory as right wing.

I think that she claims that the term/concept 'critical race theory' is a 'right wing conspiracy theory' to discredit 'those on the left who stand up for justice'.

Which is of corse patently bullshit.

[–]anon_2022_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

referring to critical race theory as right wing.

Yes exactly. Show me one right winger who thinks CRT is a good idea. CRC came from the Law schools in the US as a way to understand how to treat POC fairly in court. It wasn't meant to become mainstream.

Journalism is about outrage and not truth seeking. There is a lot of references to support the article from other hot steaming shit "journalists".

The people who follow the feminist subs here are really stupid and aren't into fact checking.

[–]Huffers1010 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is a side issue really, but it's interesting - I think there's a serviceable argument that CRT actually is a very, very right wing point of view - right wing to the point of being crypto-fascist. It's about sorting people into a hierarchy; it's about placing value on people based on their inalienable characteristics. Political extremists on both the left and right have done that, but to me the most instinctive association is with things like Nazism.

Probably what's really going on here is the political horseshoe (look it up) but it's interesting to keep in mind.

[–]Input_output_error 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

- I think there's a serviceable argument that CRT actually is a very, very right wing point of view -

This isn't so much a 'left-right' thing, but more liberal-authoritarian thing.

It's about sorting people into a hierarchy; it's about placing value on people based on their inalienable characteristics.

The big problem with CRT is that it is inherently racist. There is no way to divide people by race, attribute different value's to these races and not be racist. It doesn't matter how much they claim that it isn't racist to attribute these characteristics different races, it is still racist.

That it is racist doesn't make it right-wing or anything like that, it makes them authoritarian. Both the left and the right have their fair share of authoritarians, the only difference is what they are authoritarian about.

Political extremists on both the left and right have done that, but to
me the most instinctive association is with things like Nazism.

You may associate it with the right, but that doesn't make it so. There are plenty of authoritarian things coming from the left, there is the obvious things like China, but those aren't the only ones. All the feminist crazy gender crap is all authoritarian too, but that is something that is accepted by our society.

Both the left and the right have their authoritarian crap, trying to shove it into the opposite side isn't going to help anyone. We have to call out all these forms.

[–]Huffers1010 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I tend to agree that the left-right argument is not particularly useful or helpful and the political horseshoe tends to make it all fairly meaningless.

This is one reason why I tend to avoid identifying with any traditional political position (it just implies prejudiced thinking, in my view).

In the main, though, a lot of people make assumptions that a more traditional left-of-centre thinker might support, say, less big-business-oriented tax law, and that's something we could in principle at least have a sensible discussion about. That's fine. The problem is that this is increasingly conflated with an assumption that anyone of that point of view is also into critical theory, modern social justice and uncritical acceptance of the divisive rhetoric that results, which is... not something we can really have a sensible discussion about because I don't see how there's any argument for it at all.

One of these things is not like the other and I don't really think traditional political axes work very well here, if they've ever worked anywhere.

[–]Input_output_error 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that this is increasingly conflated with an assumption
that anyone of that point of view is also into critical theory, modern
social justice and uncritical acceptance of the divisive rhetoric that
results, which is... not something we can really have a sensible
discussion about because I don't see how there's any argument for it at
all.

You're absolutely right on this, i think it is a way to create partisanism for groups. In a similar way people on the left often like to paint everyone on the right as fundamental christians.

In my experience talking about politics is rather useless, these 'discussions' always end up with mud slinging. I'd much rather discuss a single topic at the time, that leaves far less room for stupid political shit.

[–]sgt_oddball_17 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Salon has gone off the rails.

[–]IGotBigHands[S] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It was written by Amanda Marcotte. I briefly looked into her and she seems like an extreme feminist. Never heard of the Salon before but def won’t be reading any of there articles after this one. Sun-par journalism at its best.

[–]tenchineuro 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Years ago I used to occasionally browse Salon because it was so outrageous. But today you find stuff like that almost everywhere, even in the tech sites. Ah yes, Slate was similar to Salon.

And as I recall Amanda Marcotte is on par with Clementine Ford.

[–]63daddy 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly they aren’t really that radical. Many feminists have similar attitudes which is probably why Salon published it, which is also consistent with this kind of propaganda being published elsewhere. It’s scary how many readers actually buy into such ridiculous propaganda.

[–]Huffers1010 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not journalism. It's nakedly partisan. It's a sermon. It's not even trying to be NPOV.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly. Read the short 'about the author' section at the bottom of the article and you know where this is coming from.

[–]MiddleReasonable647 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Was it ever on the rails?

[–]sgt_oddball_17 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair point...

[–]savemeihatemyjob 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, these feminists are the scum of the earth, so desperate to maintain their upper hand, well NOT ANYMORE, they will become extinct once all men wake up. Nothing can stop the red pill.

[–]BetterOffCamping 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simply watching the trial puts the lie to this farce organ article. The author clearly has a virulent hatred for Depp.

All the right wing hate group name dropping was a shock. Most reasonably progressive people I know would recoil at the tone of this text, completely devoid of any information to support the assertions.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you scroll all the way to the bottom, you find this about the author:

Amanda Marcotte is a senior politics writer at Salon and the author of "Troll Nation: How The Right Became Trump-Worshipping Monsters Set On Rat-F*cking Liberals, America, and Truth Itself."

nough said.

[–]anon_2022_ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Journalism is so shite these days.

This should be labelled as hate speech because it has absolutely no grounding in truth or empirical evidence.

[–]allmyghtt 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/cZfDUpHr3Ws listen at 53:15 to 53:40 tell me what you hear please spread this maybe camille vaquez can use it.

[–]allmyghtt 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry guys it amounted to nothing but at least someone with the ability, checked it.

[–]Icy-Wallaby4326 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Salon.com lol

[–]Antigonus96 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t expect much from Salon, but this article reads like the author just throw a bunch of darts at a board with recent political buzzwords and strung them together. Like Johnny Depp, CRT, Buffalo don’t actually have anything to do with each other.

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