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Tales of Hypergamy — Recursive Game

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February 11, 2014
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http://therationalmale.com/2014/02/03/tales-of-hypergamy-recursive-game/

There comes a point of internalization when your Game-awareness becomes part of who you are. There is no longer a need to mentally sort out what may or may not be going on with the women you’re interacting with. One of the first resistances I usually read from men when they first pick up on Plate Theory is that they could never manage more than a single woman’s interest at one time. Usually this is due to a fear of being caught by one or more women or thought of as a Player, but the premise is one of not having some imagined resources, time and energy to keep more than a single plate spinning at once.

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Title Tales of Hypergamy — Recursive Game
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 66
Comments 33
Date 11 February 2014 02:29 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/11198
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1xm4a4/tales_of_hypergamy_recursive_game/
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[–]md61944 points45 points  (24 children) | Copy

Rollo is spot on as always. Pickup techniques were never meant to be the end goal for guys. They were to teach you the proper way to act. It's tough to do because your emotions associate yourself with some no-pussy getting loser. But the more you push your comfort zone into acting like a dude who fucks bitches, the more your emotions start to associate with that identity. Suddenly NOT acting like a guy who gets laid generates all these negative emotions and negative internal feedback.

Really the only hard part is having the balls to put yourself out there. You'll never internalize game just by understanding the theory behind it. You must be proactive.

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[–]md61921 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's why we always try to keep the language as brutally honest and unfiltered as possible. It drives away guys who don't have the stomach for it.

[–]BooksofMagic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And drives away any snooping women that don't have the stomach for it. It hurts their delicate sensibilities ;p

[–]feelsbeforereals9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

because seduction is about being alpha to get laid, trp is about being alpha to be happy (which for most people stems from getting laid)

[–]Kwizkey 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

r/seduction is more about acting and appearing "alpha" to get laid, whereas TRP is internalising and becoming "alpha".

I quote alpha because I don't like it when people separate alpha/beta as black and white. It's not that straightforward, because they define a series of traits more than they define people.

[–]feelsbeforereals1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

idk if you act like something long enough it becomes you. that's just my opinion.

[–]abutterfly13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would wager it's because Seddit treats pickup as endgame, whereas here at TRP we know much better.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe that you can't have red pill awareness without getting burned by at least a few women. The red pill is a tough one to swallow and you can only do it if you are in the metaphorical emergency room.

[–]The_Fart_Of_God0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

/r/seduction used to be like theredpill, that's where I learnt about game for the first time. I'm very thankful for this and the life it enabled.

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[–]The_Fart_Of_God0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

give them time and they'll take the pill. Models is still advertised as a must read, the faq hasn't changed, they'll get there

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

So basically Rollo is saying that guys will give up on plate spinning because they get too caught up in the theory than the practice? And that they give too much time/effort rather than having the females invest their time/effort?

[–]md61920 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sort of. He's saying that guys picture constantly having to game women as this exhaustive mental exercise that requires all your attention and focus. What Rollo points out is that once you've internalized game, you don't have to think about it anymore. Your brain just sends you the right thing to say without thinking about it.

It's like you're learning to hit a baseball. When you're first learning, you have to focus on everything. Is my stance right? Am I following through? Am I keeping my eye on the ball? But eventually you just develop that unconscious muscle memory and you just do it without thinking or analyzing.

Rollo then says that the mental flip occurs when you stop focusing on her and value yourself as the prize. When you really have that selfish attitude it's almost impossible to not act in a way that reflects game.

My comment was just my own personal rant about guys who think that just learning theory will be good enough to internalize it. It won't.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi26 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy

Pretty much, but try not to think of it in terms of being 'selfish' and more like 'self-interest'. You have to become your mental point of origin, rather than think of yourself as a sociopath.

For as much as blue pill critics want to paint TRP as a bunch of bitter, burned men resorting to converting themselves into Dark Triad sociopaths, the vast majority of men simply don't have it in them to do so. You do however have it in you to place yourself as your mental point of origin, and once you do, you'll find that Plates begin to spin themselves for you.

[–]md6194 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Honestly it seems like splitting hairs between the "selfish" and "self-interest" thing. To me, if you're acting out of self-interest then you're being selfish. Selfish just has a worst connotation because it implies you're screwing someone else over.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right, it's a semanticism.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty much, but try not to think of it in terms of being 'selfish' and more like 'self-interest'. You have to become your mental point of origin, rather than think of yourself as a sociopath.

I prefer Tomassi's words. I think selfish and self-interest are two different things. There's a big difference between narcissism, solipsism, etc and rational self-interest. One considers personal accountability, ethical and moral consistency, long run happiness, etc...the other does not.

[–]SwordfshII2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Suddenly NOT acting like a guy who gets laid generates all these negative emotions and negative internal feedback.

This is why I don't think I can have a normal relationship anymore. I simply know and see too much.

[–]md6197 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Even watching other guys in relationships is a struggle. You just want to slap some sense into them.

[–]suscitare2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I know, but remember not to do that coz you won't getting any thanks for it; you'll just anger them; it's best leave them to suffer from their own stupidity.

[–]carrotplanter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And shake the shit outta some woman, as Chris Rock might say

[–]angryadult0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As the old saying goes: if it were easy, everybody would do it.

[–]drallcom30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pickup techniques were never meant to be the end goal for guys. They were to teach you the proper way to act.

PUA is a therapy to cure your approach anxiety and raise your self-esteem. At a certain point you have to let go of them.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

Do whatever it takes to actualise your inner-game. Inner-game is everything. Look at Patrice O Neal's appearance. He was one of the few guys whose inner game was so strong the fact he was severely overweight didn't hold him back. Ironically that's the very thing that killed him. I'm not saying to neglect your appearance, but what I am saying is that your inner-game is the key to success in absolutely everything. Start creating positive feedback loops, kick out toxic individuals from your life. Be outcome independent. Get used to rejection etc etc. Once you put the effort in you need no effort to maintain the psyche, it's a self-sustaining mindset.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great. Just great. Thank you.

I internalize that to: live life without fear and regret. Live for yourself. Fuck what everyone else thinks because it doesn't matter. Women are so wrapped up in social acceptance and solipsism that you will attract them without effort.

[–]FRIENDLY_KNIFE_RUB0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well at least until you realized you're surrounded by assholes.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

There comes a point of internalization when your Game-awareness becomes part of who you are.

I talked about that a bit in this post. Getting RP (mentally) is like getting strong (physically). It's not something you do overnight and it is something you have to continually work at.

I'll reiterate that the best way to do this is pick one thing at a time and work on it consciously until it becomes unconscious. Just keep doing it over and over till it's part of you.

One thing that I've worked on in my current relationship is to not give in to suggestions of what my woman wants. I make her ask me for stuff rather than just suggest she might want it. This triggers in her a "is it worth asking" response and most of the time it really isn't. She's happy with me not DLVing by jumping to her whims and secure that if she really does need something (to the point where she'll ask) I'll help her out. I worked on this consciously for a while until it became something I do naturally.

And, yes: if you internalize enough of this, you will get to the point where women chase and try to please you. It's fun being there.

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As for newbies like me to TRP, what one thing would be best to focus socially or with game in general?

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Learn to approach a 10 like a 2. Get rid of approach anxiety.

A great game for this is called "pickem". Go out with a few guy friends and hit the bar/club/whatever. Then pick a friend, pick a pickup line, and pick a girl that he has to go say this line to.

Results don't matter, but they will be judged. The key is to get used to talking to girls, saying crazy shit, and watching it work. You will quickly learn that what you say doesn't matter at all: body language is key, tone of voice is important, and what actually leaves your mouth is pretty much meaningless.

When you can bring back a girl that you haven't even made eye contact with using "nice shoes, wanna fuck?" you know you've made it. She asked me if I was dared to use the line. I said yes and that if she and her friends came back to my table she could pick the next line he used.... She was not kind to him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That really sounds like an awesome game. I really have a long way to go before I can reach mastery of yours. But you are so right about body language and voice tone are so key. Being a blue pill for so many years has totally fucked my body language and voice.

[–]TehFuggernaut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Serious question here - wonder if I'll get an answer. I'm dating 3 girls now and I like each of them a lot. They all are different ages, ethnicities, professions, etc. How do you guys stop from falling for any of the girls you're seeing? I legit have feelings for all 3 at this point and have quite the complicated web of relationships. I'm extremely happy with where I am, but its a matter of time before I get asked to be exclusive or girls start dropping off.



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