Latvia is bringing back male ONLY conscription from 2023!

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my perspective comes from the way its not neccasarily possible to ban drafts. in a perfect world there would be no war.

but you're not stupid, and im not stupid, im not going to insult your intelligence. you know this isn't a perfect world. you know there's going to be war.

the question is, if voluntary forces are losing a war, what do you do? do you let all the citizens free and risk becoming enslaved by your opposition, who may be the person who is causing wars? or do you conscript them to fight, defend your nation's beliefs, and try to stop the warmongerer?

and, there's just no easy answer to that. im still trying to figure it out myself. there's positives and negatives to both sides. i personally fall more for abolishing the draft, but its far from a black and white issue.

abolishment or gender-neutral. it's the only way.

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Citing that time when Quebec threw a fit and didn’t want to go help win the war against one of the worst regimes in the history of the earth that were actively conducting a genocide because the province was riddled with antisemitic, Vichy France supporters isn’t exactly a good thing.

That conscription crisis should be the eternal shame of Quebec, not something to celebrate. Not only were they not willing to voluntarily fight the Nazis, but they wouldn’t even be forced into fighting them. That’s a disgrace, not a triumph. It was backed by supporters of the nazi puppet state, antisemitic attacks on the Jews for the war itself, resettlement of holocaust victims in Canada, dislike of the rest of Canada, and actively hurt Canada's ability to fight the war.

It also only succeeded because Mackenzie King was a fucking appeasing coward who didn’t want to get involved in a war in the first place. Any prime minister who truly actually cares about his army would have sent them over years earlier. He literally handled conscription so poorly that the Canadian army was in plagued by the lack of men in the army and resulting in even more deaths as the wounded and untrained had to be deployed at the same time while the cowards remained safe back in Canada.

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And suppose a country is invaded by a stronger military power and conscription is not built into the law. What do you think they'll do? Surrender? This is exactly what I was trying to tell you:

the moment a war happens when there's not enough manpower, an "emergency draft" will still happen regardless.

If you really care about ending conscription and aren't just concern trolling, then there's no reason to not make the draft gender-neutral, as it doesn't stop the cause of ending the draft in any way (quite the oppose, it contributes a lot to it, since women's lives are valued more tham men's). So you should be all for it.

Instead you're pulling an argument equivalent to "I'm against banning female genital mutilation because we should be banning all genital mutilation instead". Needless to say, doesn't look like it's done in good faith.

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You should have a look at my post above.

I'll copy it here for ease:

I don't mean to give off the impression that I think it would be easy; I just don't see the usefulness of 4 threads and thousands of comments getting mad that women are not included, as opposed to putting that same effort to ensure that conscription is a thing of the past.

Like I wrote in another post, if any modern western/NATO country is on the verge of a total military defeat and about to be taken over, then all bets are off....whether women are conscripted or not, will be the least of anyone's concerns, especially for the women in said country...

The Vietnam war, for example, did not need a draft, (the US was not on the verge of collapse, therefore doesn't even meet your own standard why they are inevitable) yet there was one. That is generally what I am referring to.

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Man, you're the one making a strawman.

I said "it's impossible to not have a draft entirely". Meanwhile you say "you're wrong, some drafts are avoidable". Answering a totally different argument altogether and pretending you answered mine. At this point I have to believe you're doing this in bad faith.

So let me sum up one last time clearly and in a way that even a 5 year old would understand:

1 - Some drafts are avoidable. Many are not. If the draft law is not gender-neutral, men will still be sent to die on those because they are men. Do you have any good argument justifying that?

2 - You keep implying that opposing the male-only draft is mutually exclusive with opposing draft in general. It's the "don't ban female genital mutilation, we should ban all genital mutilation instead" argument again.

As I have already told you, a gender-neutral draft would also make drafts very less likely to happen since women's lives are valued a lot more. So the fact that you claim to be "against the draft" and yet oppose such measures means you were just concern trolling.

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Yes. Which is a violation of the EU human rights for freedom of movement.

This sort of shit happens all the time in EU courts but the EU as a whole doesn't really do anything about it and turns a blind eye to things becuase it has double standards.

eg take this as an example https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/07/05/eu-human-rights-court-says-cyprus-violated-freedom-of-expression-rules-against-droushiotis/

We have seen this during covid as well eg mandatory vaccinations in places like Austria and other EU countries.

This makes the entire EU foundations of its basic laws broken by design and implementation. This makes all rights and law basically useless on the paper they are written on.

Thats part of the problem with a draft. What do you do when the person refuses to "do anything" you have to arrest and jail them for "in action" thats breaches all human rights laws around the world. Its effectivly a gulag at that point.

In which case the residing goverments need reminded who works for who again... eg the goverment body needs collapsed.

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Title	Latvia is bringing back male ONLY conscription from 2023!
Author	Razorbladekandyfan
Upvotes	485
Comments	134
Date	July 6, 2022 1:01 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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