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now they're creating blacklists of men

traveller1976

July 10, 2022
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https://www.thestar.com/life/relationships/2022/07/09/toronto-women-turn-to-unhinged-dating-list-to-suss-out-problematic-men
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Title now they're creating blacklists of men
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traveller1976

Upvotes 79
Comments 46
Date July 10, 2022 2:24 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/vvsks2/now_theyre_creating_blacklists_of_men/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/now-theyre-creating-blacklists-of-men.1123259
https://theredarchive.com/post/1123259
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[–]NoBrick444 42 points43 points44 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, because jilted ex-lovers neeeeever make anything up.

[–]Choogie432 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought that was all they did.

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Does this database of personal details breach any data protection laws?

[–]traveller1976[S] 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It probably does and a class action lawsuit should be filed

[–]mixing_saws 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its bascicaly a defamation website while breaking lots of data protection laws.

Lawsuit waiting to happen.

[–]Ceruleanknight1 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It does on much more levels than you could think of.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

May as well just put all men on the list since just doing something she doesn’t like counts as “abuse”. They even gave the example of just ghosting being grounds to qualify.

Reminds me of a situation I faced 20 years ago. A gal I was dating was nice enough but when I realized I would never marry her, I broke up with her. It had been about 6 weeks. Her friend left a nasty message on my machine cussing me out. Apparently in her world men aren’t allowed to break up. At least my fresh ex had better character and left a message apologizing about her friend.

[–]SappySoulTaker 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She wanted to break up with him later on and was unhappy he got out without that pain.

[–]CreamZebra 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Blacklisting man has been happening in secret internet forums for years. Even before the internet, it was a trope in fiction. I'll never forget an episode of... New Twilight Zone?... Amazing Stories? ... Anyway a guy shows up for a date only to get rejected by his romantic interest as she's just reviewed an entire dossier on his dating history sent to her from a secret women's group by fax. Guessing that women's restroom walls contain all kinds of fun gossip, not to mention vitriol and lies.

[–]Big-Quality3817 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately unlikely I'm afraid...as I was just discussing with the OP, women tend to NOT be so diligent about morality(e.g. convicted for child molestation) when the man is a part of the 'desirable 20%' that most of them exclusively favor.

Likely they will rationalize something like "He's not going to be like that once he's had a taste of ME"

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Likely they will rationalize something like "He's not going to be like that once he's had a taste of ME"

The level of ego needed to think like that is absurd.

[–]Big-Quality3817 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

....and shockingly common I suspect.

A few years ago there was an effort to end the tradition of diamonds in wedding and engagement rings due to them funding like genocides and human rights abuses in Africa. It didn't go well. Forget where I heard that women tended to say things like "Oh MINE won't be like that I just KNOW it."

[–]Yoramus 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People are terrorizing themselves in an increasingly isolated echo chamber.

But it's a product of our times.

Once when people were people sponsored a date for friends it was a nice courtesy to check on them and if they did something unpleasant: "did my friend behave well? Was he/she dressed well?". Friends then let their froend know if they accidentally did something wrong and tried to help them by collecting feedback.

But that's what friends do. In our alienated society lonely people just make those blacklist in panic probably without even giving any feedback to their date.

It's sad and harmful to everyone involved

[–]TFME1 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Anybody want to start a list of problematic, misbehaving women?

If it's good for the goose, it must be good for the gander.

[–]Choogie432 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That would be almost every woman on OF, Tinder, and IG

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Choogie432 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol I compared an ex to him. It fit so well, but she didn't like it.

[–]mixing_saws 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You better watch out.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Congrats, you are now on the list.

[–]TFME1 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gratefully, I don't live in Canada.

I would prefer no lists be made that have no Due Process or ability to get oneself removed from said list, but "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".

[–]cyruszane 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As someone who has been abused by this kind of thinking on the part of an abusive female. This is the worst thing one could think of. It has crossed my mind, many times, how I wished I had known that a girl I took out was clearly mentally ill or had ill intentions to me.

Sadly I have gotten pretty good at picking them out, the reason being.. the girl who when I was in high school did this very thing to me. Blacklisted me. To the point that friends of mine were harassed, anyone who spoke to me was harassed.

I recall being in one class, at the back of the class and this very sweet girl would talk to me every day. Toward the end of semester I could see her frustration, as time and time again she dropped giant clear hints she wanted to be asked out.. but I knew If I did she would be harassed due to this girls vendetta that never ended.

I would have this happen as an adult, but not to the extreme, when I would turn women down for dates, relationships or sex. Many women do not take it well when you shoot them down. In once case, a girl did her best to try to ruin my life, luckily for me many knew her to be a drama queen and didn't believe her lies, however most men are not this lucky.

A list like this could beg used to ruin someone's life for fun. Would I have liked a list to warn me about a few crazy, or bad women? Ones who might ghost after a dinner or blow me off after months and flake out.. maybe even be cheaters! yes I would love that, but the repercussions to the innocent are too great to have a list of that nature, for any gender or any reason.

The admins of this group, really need to see the inside of a jail cell for a little while.

[–]rabel111 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Claims that this list protects women from violent and abusive men fail miserably when there is no right of reply, no due process and no fact checking by an impartial judge.

Just another twoxx rant site, where unhappy women can complain that their date for the night is not the man of their dreams. The entrenched gynocentric misandry of this group is typical of the #onlyme attitude of modern feminists.

[–]Ferbuggity 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope they enjoy many lawsuits.

[–]gratis_eekhoorn[🍰] 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

just look at those comments and their like to dislike ratios and then ask yourself, "is it really a good idea to be dating as a heterosexual male when people view you as a monster who does not deserve any privacy?"

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they can manage to veto the little head, logic would flow this way, wouldn't it?

[–]KevW286 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Star is not naming the women over concerns for their safety.

The irony

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ReptilianRectangle 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And they're shamelessly proud of it.

[–]Big-Quality3817 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Assuming that everyone is aware that 80% of women (esp. North American and I think the other Anglo countries) will grant sexual favor and 'pairing' on only the same 20% of men.....de facto "exploiting" the "unworthy" 80% most notably as an "insurance policy" to "buy her a house" (with money and career developed while sitting home alone masturbating) if she doesn't manage to "land one of the sexy ones" when she gets too old to compete with younger women....

https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/

...this looks like hilarity is going to ensue.

  1. Very typically as I think the article notes, women view it as WRONG to not return their interest and coupling intention...If she likes you and wants you, you are WRONG to not want to be with her. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
  2. Women tend to lack a sense of fair play and proportionality...every time that there is a manhunt for a murderer, women turn in their ex-boyfriend because dumping her deserves to be punished with a murder conviction.

So I suspect that a lot of "Chads" are going to have like "ghosted me" turn into like "date raped me" on their little "report".

I'm not sure what effects this will have on the "market". Theoretically the "blacklisted" should be removed as "supply", increasing the "value" of remainder with "clean" records...probably even more then 'fucking and chucking'/ghosting.......a positive feedback loop.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

People have made fake profiles with pics of a hawt guy and in the profile say he’s a convicted child molester. Still gets tons of matches and messages. So I doubt a blackish will impact those guys much.

I wish I knew were things are headed. I don’t see a way to put the lid back on Pandora’s box. Will the stigmas against open polygyny be removed? Seems like a plausible next step. Bachelor taxes?

[–]Big-Quality3817 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Yea, I almost said something about that, social experiments conducted in London I believe, one claimed to be a full on NAZI, the other one first copped to a pubescent underaged girl, then also little boy...girls were still like "OK, you learned your lesson, get over here big boy." Turns out they actually aren't so much "holding the morality standard" as they would like people to believe....although "he might hurt ME" could be a different story.

Ahhh I HOPE we're heading the other direction, as I'm pretty sure that the school shooters (almost always men with 'no hope' of connecting with a woman) and at least somewhat rising fascism is the result of it.

One potential factor in the US is the loss of abortion and contraception. I don't view this as optimal with coat hangar abortions and all BUT it would substantially improve the issue...girls will have to think LONG and hard about whether 'Chad' is just telling them what they want to hear to get their legs flying apart....and a lot more about whether the pudgy, little bit geeky well paid machinist next door loves her and wants to marry her.

Another option would be a backlash return to 'traditionalism'...almost all 'Western' women would be for example be outraged at the idea of their father or closest living male relative having approval over their "male suitors". But I've seen that work REALLY well, in one case protecting a wealthy Latin American woman from a "sexy", but basically worthless womanizing narcissistic bum who likely would have leached her dry.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I doubt a loss of abortion would change much. The rates were relatively low anyway. If a woman really doesn’t want to get pregnant some forms of female birth control can be combined to make it very unlikely. Worst case there still are safe haven laws in all 50 states.

It’s hard to fine solid numbers behind how many women deliberately get pregnant with the hope of it getting her commitment. If this is widespread, a real game changer could be a new form of male birth control of it’s possible.

This historical analysis of past civilizations found all past civilizations on our current path collapsed. Hard to know if any modern technology can hope to advert that outcome. The biggest thing different is is how it’s basically the same situation in most of the entire world.

There are some minority cultures like the Amish and Muslims that still have strong traditional values but it’s hard to imagine all of them combined to have enough kids to take over without their kids being tempted away with our hedonism.

[–]Big-Quality3817 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Ahh I think the bottom line risk will have more effect than you think....although it may not be used that frequently, it still exists as a "last line of defense" against an unwanted papoose...this allows them to make repeated "Hail Mary passes" such as for example I once observed a VERY plain and ordinary (Probably would have been a fine wife for an "average" man) woman spending 5+ years into her late 20's being "3 AM drunk booty call" for a "sexy" man on the slim chance that he selects her as a permanent partner...she couldn't risk a baby without 'commitment'...and for that matter he would have probably been WAY less likely to continue "booty calling" as her getting pregnant would have obligated him to her, at least paying child support.

I strongly suspect also as alluded above that the supreme court will next target contraception. Personally I don't think anyone (except perhaps the white supremacists wound up about white birth rates) actually gives a fuck about killing fetuses.....it's actually ALL about getting 'white pussy' under control.

Ahhh "trapping"...not sure about that. What I've observed 2-3X is it actually tends to happen to the biggest scumbag womanizers. What seems to happen there is the most batshit crazy train-wreck of a woman he's fucking and leading-on, decides that she MUST have him, so gets "accidentally" pregnant attempting to force him to commit.

Also endemic incidentally is men being led to believe they are the biological father of a child that they....aren't. Blood typing studies conducted in the US and UK found that fully 30% of humans couldn't be the child of the man who is supposed to be their biological father....Often I'm sure the result of an unwanted pregnancy from "Chad" resulting in her "jumping" a "boring provider" and coercing him to marry her to provide for the child. Thankfully these days there are quick and cheap genetic tests (and I hope enhanced awareness) to confirm suspicions about this sort of thing.

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Your article looks interesting...I'll have a look at it. Generally speaking I concur, mating, pair bonding and reproduction are VERY basic primal things, and them getting "screwed up' has in aggregate the ability to topple society.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let me know what you think. I’m still digesting it. Before I read it, I was more libertarian in my perspective on relationships.

[–]Big-Quality3817 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

-Just one more comment...more and more I can see where the rising fascism is coming from through this lens.

An 'ordinary guy' who say drives a forklift for a living (a fine occupation)....50 years ago, he would have paired up young with the 'girl next door' and they would cooperate to build a life together saving, buying a house, starting a family..."for better or worse"

NOW, while prototypically she is "downtown" trying in extreme to even land even famous and uber wealthy men, lining up outside pro sports athlete's hotels and so forth...

...while he is sitting home jerking off to porn typically at least through his 20's

And if he DOES marry, due to the distorted market dynamics he's more likely to get (from the lowest tier, non-hypergamist women) a morbidly obese hyper-damaged "battleaxe" (usually full of anxiety, extremely controlling, killing her emotional distress with food and alcohol) of a woman. She is I think 60% probable to leave him, taking the house he bought her, his kids, and saddling him with child support.

That guy is pissed...and I can certainly understand why

[–]Big-Quality3817 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm myself a centrist (Biden) Democrat, but also an integrationalist who recognizes value in diverse thought...including 'traditionalism'...I first discovered that "smarty pants liberals" tend to think they know it all but actually also have their heads up their asses when I did some scholarly research about religion and spirituality...learned for example that "speaking in tongues" isn't just "babbling" as verified by an electroencephalogram on some Hatian Carmelite nuns. It accesses a different part of the brain.

Anyways I'm almost through it...seems almost scarily prescient.

One comment, a ray of hope for "Western Civilization"....Continental Europe seems 'better'...from what I've seen, only the 'damaged train wreck' girls there "ride the cock carousel".

SEEMINGLY more typical is a colleague of mine who had a big crush on a semi-pro athlete in her mid-20's. He chose another girl for his girlfriend...she was 'crushed', but fairly quickly chose a VERY ordinary nice man to court with and marry pretty quickly, producing a baby just a bit after.

But yea, the US, is "right on schedule.....

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Anyways, I'm starting to compile 'stuff'-here is another I recently found.:

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/05/5338/

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This week, My name is Rafael D'Quan Rabinowitz-Fujimoto. Nice to meet you.

[–]Ceruleanknight1 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is so wrong and breach so many laws, on top of being "feeling related" instead of "factual" which is what it should be.

• Taking someone else's picture without their consent to post it publicaly along with defamatory accusation(s) should normaly be punished, this is why youtubers like BB blur the faces/names and locations before posting said dating profile picts, althought they judt read descriptions and nothing else.

• Naming someone online saying they did X without a proper investigation is also defamation.

On top, from my understanding any woman could go there to lie about X man because they don't like them or because they were rejected/what have you, but the medias sort of praises the behaviour, I just wish I could see the same being made by men for women and see what happen then with their "equality" talks.

I hope the men on that list will gather and sue these women because this goes against their basic rights.

[–]CawlinAlcarz 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm more than a little shocked that FB allows this. Yes I expect a certain level of hypocritical treatment of men, but I never expected that hypocrisy to be THIS blatant.

If someone made a FB page with a list of women like this, or some list like: "Mary Soandso fucks on the first date!" not only would it be instantly banned from the platform, there would likely be charges filed.

[–]YaMamSucksMeToes5 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Blacklist? Sounds racist.

[–]1DEF1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Allow and Deny list is better.

[–]thejebusofsuburbia[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a great idea on paper, but what it needs IMO is a list of criteria to add someone to the list

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's never going to work, because there's no consequence for ignoring the criteria.

The list will be unreliable, because too many girls will add fake accusations. All the hot popular guys will end up on the list, and then what?

[–]RandylVlarsh 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I say fight fire with fire. If we can find solidarity, we can seriously show women(like this I'm totally fine with well adjusted average women) what's it's like to be TRULY alone. And alone based off of their character, and who they are

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's a bad idea. The list will be completely unreliable, because too many girls will be adding fake accusations if something didn't work out. The most desirable guys on these apps will get a bunch of bad reviews, simply because they go on frequent dates.

But the girls will never want to stop dating them. Bad boys are attractive and exciting.

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