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The boys' club is under siege: Why women covet everything traditionally reserved for men | Bettina Arndt

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November 25, 2022
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https://bettinaarndt.substack.com/p/boys-clubs
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Title The boys' club is under siege: Why women covet everything traditionally reserved for men | Bettina Arndt
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goodmod

Upvotes 129
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Date November 25, 2022 7:51 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/z47k2r/the_boys_club_is_under_siege_why_women_covet/
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[–]SamaelET 39 points40 points41 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

women chasing men’s toys is their demand for entry into Men’s Sheds. Here we have a rare organisation which was started exclusively for males only about 15 years ago – designed particularly for older retired men to come together and support each other. But suddenly women wanted in and sheds found themselves under pressure from women who liked the idea of joining in cosy woodwork sessions with the boys. It’s led to a huge split in the movement between those still keen to promote the mateship they believe is vital to encouraging proper support for vulnerable men, and those who prefer to win brownie points from the ladies by embracing inclusiveness

This is pure evil. Be careful which shed you donate too. Don't donate to those who throw men under the buses for women's ego.

https://youtu.be/pVx_SOxM78A

[–]Net_Flux3 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All the jokes about unsightly Middle-Aged Men in Lycra, complaints about tight clothing revealing everything it shouldn’t.

Say the exhibitionist femcel freaks who go around harassing men everywhere from gyms to workplaces with the creepy way they dress.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of the reasoning behind the Men's Sheds was theraputic in intent and a response to high numbers of suicides among elderly men. The presence of women in such spaces robs them of that therapeutic effect. Regardless of the women concerned it causes a shift in compassion largely due to protective instincts imbued in males from an early age.

I will continue to insist the denial of male only environments and activities is robbing boys and men of the spaces in which they are best able to deal with stress and trauma and IS a contributor to spiraling rates of male suicide.

[–]NeoLosman 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

She's got something of a point; many women HAVE for sometime now been expressing thoughts to the effect of "Chicks aren't allowed to try out for the SEALs, because The Patriarchy is alive, well, and trying to rob us of a shot at becoming Medal Of Honor winners. Less sinister explanations(Such as the fact that several nations have already experimented with putting women into combat, only to discover that men on average will try to help their female colleagues when wounded, to the detriment of the mission)aren't far more probable". This isn't anything new though; a Hollywood film-GI Jane-which espouses this very worldview was released back in the 90s, and raked in a shitload of dough at the box office. The more light-hearted Goldie Hawn vehicle Private Benjamin even tapped into similar themes a over a decade prior to GI Jane's release

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Let's also resist the urge to get self-righteous here, fellas. Many prominent MRAs have, for some time now, been foregoing the pursuit of concrete, tangible goals in favor of vague and specious missions such as "Closing The Empathy Gap", "Getting women to recognize all the ways in which they benefit from Gynocentrism", and even trying to get the public to blindly celebrate Men's Day in the same way so many folks accept the existence of Women's Day without so much as a whimper, rather than asking "Why the hell do we have a Women's Day or a Men's day at all? Wouldn't life be a lot better if we abolished both, and started making a conscious effort to dropkick all forms of identity politics into the dumpster where they belong?"

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Just as many women have been trying to get onto The SWAT Team and into The Green Berets in the name of achieving equality, without ever asking "Would the likely results of such a thing coming to fruition yield more harm than good, not just to women but to everyone?", a disconcerting number of self-identified Red Pill men now think it's wise for us to create a society in which men are pitied as often and frequently as women often are, rather than calling on our fellow citizens to show us the same respect we've been told to show towards women. Worse yet, many of these same GRPM's are down with the idea of celebrating men just for being male, much in the same way women are often celebrated just for being female. Rarely if ever do MRAs ask out loud "Why the hell are we yapping on endlessly about this supposed Empathy Gap, when the definition of empathy itself remains elusive( https://spsp.org/news-center/character-context-blog/empathy-word-too-many-meanings ), and the practice itself may not even be especially healthy or humane https://www.amazon.com/Against-Empathy-Case-Rational-Compassion/dp/0062339338 "

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It's dishonest for us to finger wag at the ladies too much, when we're fucking up in similar ways

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I was a marine in a combat MOS. They reduced the standard for PC reasons to allow women into combat roles, even though women dont have to do pullups to enter, just a 'flexed-arm-hang' for time. If a person cant do a single pullup, how are they going to drag me out of the kill zone with a plate carrier and full combat load on?

We had NCO meetings about this to appease people but as usual the officers and their lackey staff shut it down when anyone with a brain brought up obvious issues. These meetings were usually to flesh out who would play ball to try and climb ranks and who wouldnt anyway.

By the time i exited we had gotten our first female marine in the unit and unit cohesiveness had already collapsed. By the way, she was unable to perform the necessary rudimentary duties due to their demanding physical nature and was already mouthing off to NCOs and they couldnt do anything about it. This was in the span of like 3 fucking days.

The simple truth is most women cannot do what is required and have absolutely no place in combat roles. Most of the women i saw in the marines were fucking their way up the ladder, one girl was texting and driving a humvee and literally ran over a man crippling him for life and she didnt even get chewed out. They were non combat mos... imagine having your body, career, and life ruined by a negligent moron only for her to go "tee-hee, whoops!" And all the supposed men around dont hold her accountable. Fucking disgraceful, i wont fight and die for units like that they can suck my fucking cock

[–]NeoLosman 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll reiterate LSX's gratitude for your service. To your point: There's a larger conversation to be had here about the failure of DEI initiatives more broadly. Putting people into roles because of their gender, skin color, ethnicity, or sexual orientation in the name of "being more diverse" has harmful effects on organizations as a whole

[–]pappo4ever 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would give them tanks and set them free to drive in enemy territory, the damage they will cause will win the war.

[–]NeoLosman 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've already mentioned sentiments like the ones Arndt describes in the article having been espoused in the late 90s in movies like GI Jane, and in the early 80s in movies like Private Benjamin. It's just come to my attention that even characters in Ralph Bakshi flicks produced during the latter area espoused thoughts such as these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Ndys7Ygcc 13:37-14:07

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i won't say that challenging such beliefs is fruitless, nonetheless when they've been floating around in our society for this long, it's likely unwise to believe that we'll ever vanquish anemic thinking like this entirely

[–]LSX81 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your service.

[–]The_Real_PMC 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are shutting down male only spaces, and not allowing men to have them, while they get to keep theirs.

Go away you feminist concern troll.

[–]NeoLosman -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'm a feminist for questioning the party line, rather than nodding my head like an automaton. Entirely too many of us act as if we have no agency in all of this. In the age of Meetup and the like, we can easily form groups and organizations of our own, even if we have to start off small, like meeting at a restaurant

[–]The_Real_PMC 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

get lost concern troll. "Muh both sides are just as bad as each other" gaslighters are not welcome here.

[–]NeoLosman -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You really interpret a sentence like "Dudes and chicks are both fallible, fucked up human beings" to mean "Muh, both sides are just as bad as each other"? When prominent MRAs and their followers are hot and heavy over maintaining International Men's Day, rather than calling for an abolition of both this AND Women's Day alike(Why the hell are we celebrating anyone , all on account of the genitals they were born with?), and transgender men are groaning over the fact that they can't use the women's locker room, it's highly dishonest for us to get too self-righteous

[–]AcidKritana 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Transgender men are female to male....

[–]NeoLosman -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

All the more incentive for everyone to stay whatever gender they were born as. This shit is just confusing beyond all belief for the other 99.8% of the human race

[–]AcidKritana 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

First off, some estimations go up to over 8% of the population being trans, even though I personally think that's too high. A better estimation is 2.1%, but a general one is 1% or so, not 0.2%. And that's just those who identify as the opposite sex, and not something such as "nonbinary."

Second, it's not that hard. Just take the beginning, "trans," and think about it like this: "transitioning to a man." The shorthand would be "trans man."

Third, a huge chunk of people, especially young people, are not as daft as you're making out most of the population to be. Humans are stupid, but not that stupid.

[–]NeoLosman -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't find it implausible to believe that there are folks out there who really think "I was meant to be a different gender than I am". Life is still a lot simpler though when everyone just stays what they are at birth

[–]AcidKritana 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There have always been people who transitioned gender or claimed to be the opposite gender. An Egyptian pharaoh who was female claimed that they were a man, and about half of the population, based off of how they were recorded, respected this, while half did not.

[–]genkernels 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's dishonest for us to finger wag at the ladies too much, when we're fucking up in similar ways

Collectivism is a hell of a drug.

[–]RoryTate 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Speaking as a cyclist reading this article, I must admit that my first thought was: "At least these feminists are blaming poor infrastructure – instead of just dumping on male cyclists – for their lack of participation in alternate transportation." I'm sure they'll get around to blaming men eventually, but it's funny how my honest reaction was surprise that they didn't go there immediately.

[–]TRexDale081 points 3 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Why is complaining about women seen as a mens rights topic?

[–]Angryasfk 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you for real? This is entirely about feminism seeking to take things away from men whilst they continue to champion all things for women and promote “women only spaces”!

In fact feminism’s campaign against men is to a large extent based upon the idea that if men have something it’s somehow causing women to miss out. Feminism is all for women’s spaces, women only clubs and female bonding. But men cannot do this for themselves. And this mentality is intrinsic to all the asymmetrical laws and policies that feminists promote.

[–]TalentedObserver 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Comment karma is at -100 on this one. Don’t even waste your time bruh.

[–]TheSilverShade 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah he's another one of those "gotcha" moment trolls seeking attention from Mensrights

[–]Decent_Nectarine_758 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He did getcha hahaha

[–]TheSilverShade 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You and I got a very different meaning of getting "got"

[–]Decitriction -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

wbb is a common and legitimate men's rights topic

[–]okgroomerang 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men create women consume

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