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Female protester sexually assaults a cop, hailed a symbol of peaceful protest

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December 15, 2013

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http://rt.com/news/italy-protester-kiss-police-271/

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Title	Female protester sexually assaults a cop, hailed a symbol of peaceful protest
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	124
Comments	57
Date	December 15, 2013 9:13 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1syfw5/female_protester_sexually_assaults_a_cop_hailed_a/
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Among the many differences between these two events is Mens Rea, aka "guilty mind". The female protester absolutely hates the cops and wishes to see them dead. She literally intended to sexually assault the officer and hoped that it would provoke a violent reaction in front of the world's media.

The celebratory picture you linked to is nothing like that. The context around it has been wildly distorted by feminists in order to fit their ideological agenda. Thankfully, hardly anyone takes it seriously and it does more to discredit the feminist cause every time it gets brought up. At the very least, the uniforms they are wearing point out the glaring one-sided mentality of feminist dogma. One of the people in the photo represents the gender that was drafted into war and forced to risk their lives and die on the battlefields. That's why feminists just can't be taken seriously whenever they try to point out photos such as this as examples of women being "systematically" oppressed.

[–]Ripowal1 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

So, the vibe I'm getting here is that as long as you don't wish that the person is dead and you've been drafted into a war it's fine to sexually assault that person.

The context around it has been wildly distorted by feminists in order to fit their ideological agenda. Thankfully, hardly anyone takes it seriously and it does more to discredit the feminist cause every time it gets brought up.

Please explain this distorted context. These two were strangers, the sailor grabbed the nurse, essentially headlocked her, and kissed her forcefully. Personally, unless the context is that she was actually consenting the whole time, it doesn't seem relevant.

That's why feminists just can't be taken seriously whenever they try to point out photos such as this as examples of women being "systematically" oppressed.

I'm not using this photo to say women are oppressed (regardless, every feminist I know is against the idea of selective service altogether), I'm using it as an example of people also being fine with a man sexually assaulting a woman by kissing her, in public.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

as long as you don't wish that the person is dead

The malicious intent to violate someone and cause them distress is a bad thing, whereas a sense of unity and harmony with others is not. You seem to disagree.

you've been drafted into a war

The gender that does not get drafted into war does not get to say that they are oppressed while the other gender is not. You seem to disagree.

Please explain this distorted context.

Let's agree on the base case that when two people consent to a kiss, then it is not sexual assault (you seem to disagree). Let's also agree that when two people are merely performing within the parameters of their respective gender roles and neither objects to those gender roles, and both leave with a positive outlook and no ill will towards each other, then there's absolutely nothing improper about it. That's actually what happened. What feminists have done, however, is yank the original encounter out of this context and project their own feelings onto it - they are judging what is or isn't acceptable for those two individuals within their culture instead of allowing those individuals to decide for themselves.

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It doesn't matter that she was grabbed. Being grabbed and kissed by a returning soldier on the day we won WW2 was generally considered acceptable. The onus is on you to provide a quote where she says that what happened to her was in any way shape or form wrong. Look it up in the same place you got your other quotes from. You won't find it there because the woman had never said that she considered it assault. You're simply failing to understand her entire point - she was simply saying that no, in fact, the sailor who had kissed her wasn't actually her lover, he was a complete stranger who just randomly grabbed her. She was correcting what that photograph had come to symbolize over the years.

You should seriously stop defining what is appropriate behavior for people who consented to it 60 years after it happened. Stop being such a feminist.

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The photographers were there to catch pictures of the sailors returning home. You may notice she's in a feminine pose because she's essentially in a headlock with her waist grabbed tightly, the way he turned her into that position. Notice that her hands are balled into tight fists and aren't around his arm, back, neck or head as you would likely expect from someone fully consenting to and expecting a kiss. Also notice the little flab of neck under her chin, which may suggest that either he's kissing her with absurd force or she's trying to pull her face away (but can't due the the arm locked around her head).

Also, it may not be photobombing as we consider it today, but the smirking sailor and old lady are not staged for a shot, and you can see half a man on the right with his upper arm pulled in who seems to be recoiling.

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