Angry Harry, Left-leaning MRA?

oneiorosgrip · 2013-12-15T03:23:44+00:00

There will be MRAs coming from all walks of life, because social and legal discrimination isn't limited to one political or religious ideology.

Both the left and right political ideologies include a reliance on aspects of male disposability, which leads them both to support and enact measures which discriminate against men and boys in both law and policy.

edtastic · 2013-12-15T15:43:19+00:00

MRA's are involved in a lefty style social justice cause whether they like it or not.

Personally I've had enough of those on the right trying to hijack this cause with their knee jerk lefty bashing. I hate liberals is not a winning argument nor is I hate conservatives. Yes feminists do exists on the left but so do those fighting against child rights, minority rights, gay rights, and the rights of the poor. Being aligned with one bad ideology that has gone off the rails doesn't make all the social justice fights on the left invalid. Women's rights is still a just cause where in places where they are lacking. The manipulation of that cause by ideologically driven activists is what we are challenging not the idea of using the state to help people who are vulnerable or discriminated against.

Without substantial support from men on the left, the cause of men's rights is doomed. The traditionalist right isn't going to carry water for a cause like this. A feminists male is closer to MRA's than Conservative male defining himself and others through traditional gender roles. I'd assume we have equal numbers of white knights on the left and right but when it comes to embracing men as vulnerabilities I'd sooner expect a positive response from men on the left because they are more likely to adopt new ideas.

guywithaccount · 2013-12-15T04:40:55+00:00

This post disturbs me.

The issues that face men - that is to say, both the actual problems, and the problem of being heeded about them - have nothing to do with the institution of government. A just government is the representative of the people, deriving its will and authority from their consent; it is not an invader or parasite, or a feminist shill, except that we have allowed it to become one. And they have nothing to do with the institution of policy, and therefore in that sense they have, or should have, nothing to do with politics.

Why, then, must we keep invoking this specter of bitter partisanship, knowing that it does the MRM no good at all and can only serve to weaken and divide us?

I identify generally as a liberal, or a progressive, or "left" - whatever you want to call it. (All the labels have been so misused and maligned that they no longer hold much meaning.) And I very rarely talk about it here, because I think my politics are not relevant to MR. Men can be falsely accused of rape whether taxation is progressive or flat. Men trapped in the prison-industrial complex do not care whether free citizens have easy access to guns or not. Stopping climate change does not erase Duluth model policing and the twisted narrative on domestic violence.

I feel I shouldn't ever have to talk about these things here. But there are people who apparently don't agree. There are people who try to insist that feminism is a grand communist conspiracy to destroy America. There are people who try to suggest that the MRM needs to adopt libertarianism - or worse, that it already is a right-wing movement. And then I have to either stay silent and let others I disagree with speak for me, or object, and waste time and energy fighting over irrelevant politics with people I like and respect less and less as the argument goes on.

The MRM is not a place for Left vs. Right political arguments. Take it elsewhere.

nick012000 · 2013-12-15T05:56:05+00:00

Angry Harry: I agree. I do support smaller, less intrusive govt. But I do support Big Government - cos we need it.

So, do you support big government or not? You're contradicting yourself.

saint2e · 2013-12-15T14:09:46+00:00

The second the MRM starts dictating what end of the political spectrum you should be on will be a sad sad day.

We shouldn't endorse such things, both side have their faults and their good aspects within the context of gender equality.

seego79 · 2013-12-16T01:11:35+00:00

this is why i am getting disillusioned with the MRM, its being co opted too much by the right. when this movement is percieved as a right wing movement then most "lefties" like me are going to be excluded from it.

ZimbaZumba · 2013-12-16T04:12:17+00:00

There are lots of Left leaning MRA's. Left or Right has nothing to do with it.

The_Patriarchy · 2013-12-15T11:55:47+00:00

I'll stand beside a left MRA in the good fight, but I sure won't break bread with them at my table... Because we'll be battling the very next day.

Title	Angry Harry, Left-leaning MRA?
Author	kevinwayne
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Date	December 15, 2013 2:45 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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