Feminist blogger discusses MRA movement. Commenter calls her out in comments. Guess what happens...

electricalnoise · 2013-09-29T20:55:09+00:00

I love the comments "no woman anywhere in the world is safe walking alone at night"

No shit. No safety conscious person should ever consider themselves "safe" walking alone at night. Is this a fucking joke?

I'm not blaming any victims here, obviously the problem is people who commit crimes, however I will say that you certainly don't go out of your way to make yourself a potential victim. I wouldn't walk down the more dangerous streets in my city at night, because I know it's dangerous. If I do and I get mugged maybe I shouldn't have put myself in the situation.

This opinion feminists have that they should be safe anytime, anywhere is just unrealistic. It's not that way for anyone. And frankly, the way they put it, there's big scary men with uncontrollable pulsating erections hiding in every shadow. All men are rapists to these people. Please.

femdelusion · 2013-09-29T20:37:14+00:00

I don't think engaging with feminists is really worth it beyond attempting to better understand the psychology behind their ideology. They will simply dismiss, shame, and employ tautology, until you get sick of it and eventually cease response.

guywithaccount · 2013-09-29T23:11:07+00:00

'men are more likely to be victims of violence' (at the hands of other men)

There are times when splitting people up into male and female groups is useful, and other times when it isn't. This is one of those times when it isn't. If more men are victims of violence than women, it's still true no matter WHO is actually doing the violence.

The only way it's even possible to imagine that violence done to men by other men doesn't matter is when you've already decided that men, as a class, are your enemy.

theonlyguyonreddit · 2013-09-29T19:59:25+00:00

Men are at risk of conscription because men deem women to be too weak to fight? Really? Last I checked they already changed the laws to allow women in combat but neglected to add womens consciption, what a cunt

TheFireMachine · 2013-09-29T20:11:45+00:00

sigh

All that hate. What the hell is it even for?

Degraine · 2013-09-29T23:41:37+00:00

The one thing I can't stand about feminism is how they never critically think about their own group. They never apply their own thoughts and theories to feminism.

You seem to sweetly think that all feminists are one person, who never disagree. Well, that's not true. There's many different branches of women's rights activism, and lots of people who disagree with each other.

But the MRM? Yeah, they all think they exact same.

The MRM as a whole manages to hold extremely hypocritical, disgusting views on women - we're apparently simultaneously entitled cunts who steal men's jobs and should be kept in the kitchen or the bedroom, and lazy bitches who are living off our partner's dime while he breaks his back at work.

My theory is this: feminism doesn't allow people to disagree with it, but the followers of feminism still feel like something is not quite right, so they have to do something to with these feelings. Since they're not allowed to criticize their own ideology, they project these insecurities onto anybody who disagrees with them.

Electroverted · 2013-09-30T08:00:37+00:00

Could I get a summary of "guess what happens"...?

achshar · 2013-09-30T11:35:53+00:00

Right men get killed and women are still the victims.

Nutz76 · 2013-10-01T00:28:03+00:00

The comment chain in question in the event it gets deleted:

Dear Nat,

I'm afraid you're wrong on quite a few points - far too many for me to easily address - but allow me to just take some of the main ones:

.1. "We should be fighting for shared parenting to become the norm. But it's not feminism or women's rights that's causing these things, it's the...MRM".

No it's not, I'm afraid it's feminists who campaign against shared parenting and equality in parental responsibility. Here are two links, to the US National Association of Women, and the Canadian NAWL, which provide their formal position.

In short, that is that after a relationship breaks down, the father should pay support to the mother, the mother should have sole custody, and it should be at the mother's convenience that the children see their father. The father should also pay for childcare if the mother feels that is neccessary.

US: http://www.nawl.ca/ns/en/documents/2009.08-BillC-422brief.pdf

Canada: http://www.nownys.com/leg_memos/oppose_s1349.htm

Although there are no UK feminist groups of the same size, scale and lobby power of their North American cousins, British feminists seem to broadly agree:

UK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIniOCpk3r0

.2. "When your 'moderate' sites advocate that 'female babies should have their voiceboxes torn out at birth'...well, fuck. But no one in the MRM bats an eyelid. They all goad each other on instead. If a feminist blogger came out with this, they'd be condemned straight away - by other feminists."

Well first of all, we all know you get all kinds of unhinged nonsense on the web, like this for instance: http://thefemitheist.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/allow-me-to-introduce-myself.html

Secondly, I wouldn't dream of calling out someone for that particular phrase, as I would be sensible enough to see that it was an example of hyperbolic rhetoric. If you want to see some completely batshit crazy stuff just visit RadFem sometime, or the London Feminist Network.

.3."the SPLC have named the MRM as a hate group".

No, no they haven't: http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-mens-rights-hate-group-splc/

.4. "...the lady-fascist gynotopia they reckon they're living in, including 'men always lose custody of their children' (no they don't)".

The link under 'no they don't' actually takes you to a Guardian CIF piece which argues against shared parenting because if a women has taken the decision to divorce her husband, it's likely it is because he is an abuser, and therefore shouldn't have contact with his children. If he's not an abuser, well, it should still be down to the mother because, well, she's a woman.

.5: "...Register-Her...is dedicated to providing details of women they don't like to be used for harassment/stalking purposes."

No.'Register-Her' isn't designed to stifle free speech, it is a database of women who incite hate against men and children, or who have murdered, assaulted or harmed men and children. There are no recorded instances of it being used for stalking or harassment. Some women object to being placed on it - and they are free to go to law if they chose to do so. You're quite safe.

.6. "Women are ..spermjacking hags who trick men into impregnating them and then live the high life by 'enslaving' the men into child support payments."

Hmm...I assume you're talking about 'paternity fraud' here right? This is where a woman misleads a man that he is the father of her baby, out of self-interest. A man in this case can be defrauded out of large sums of money, besides the devastating emotional and psychological damage to him, his children and his extended family.

Best estimates are that 3.7% of all children in the UK are affected by this. In 2008 the UK government made a statement saying it was aware of almost 5,000 cases. Leading feminists say men should just pay up, and shut up:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/6391918/whos-the-daddy.thtml

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1580398,00.html

In the first article feminist Melanie McDonagh argues that women have a fundamental right to lie to men about who their children are, and that men have "a moral responsibility" to the mothers and child simply because they were "chosen".

In my opinion not only is this a form of fraud as women can steal child support benefits from men, it is also a form of emotional abuse for the father and child involved. If a woman gets pregnant, no one has any obligation to her, and only the true father has an obligation to the child. The whole thing relies on the female supremist view that mothers should have more of a say in the raising of children than men, a view that is widely accepted and tolerated. Do you know what we call it if a man chooses a woman to be a mother against her will? "Rape".

Anyway I could go on. Tom Martin? He's a odd bird to be sure, makes some good points and then cocks it all up with some rubbish about hard chairs.

Oh and domestic violence? Well I've my own beliefs about that, but I've posted them before in comments to a very good article here: http://rhul-fem-soc.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/femininity-masculinity-and-why-mens.html

Title	Feminist blogger discusses MRA movement. Commenter calls her out in comments. Guess what happens...
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Date	September 29, 2013 6:50 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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