"Male feminist" and admitted hypocrite Hugo Schwyzer opens up about Twitter meltdown

david-saint-hubbins · 2013-08-13T17:41:34+00:00

My favorite part of the interview:

Was your work designed to please a certain school of feminism but never a realistic model for men?

Well, yes. I think primarily I wrote for women. I designed my writing primarily for women. One of the things that I figured out is the best way to get attention from women was not to describe women’s own experience to them because they found that patronizing and offensive. Instead it was to appear to challenge other men, to turn other men into the kind of boyfriend material, father material, or husband material that women so desperately wanted. Most women have a lot of disappointment in men. And I very deliberately want to go to the place where that disappointment lives and present to them a counter-narrative of something possible. I mean, I really would like to change men. It is not so much a lie that I didn’t believe a word I was saying. If wishes were fishes, they would live in the sea. I really did want guys to be better.

But on some level you were telling an audience what they wanted to hear knowing that women were reading it and not men?

Exactly. I always wrote for women but wrote in a really backhanded way where it appeared I was writing for men so that it would not appear too presumptuous and instead it would make me look better. And that required presenting myself as the ideal husband, father, and reformed bad boy.

My point is that I was writing for women because I wanted validation from women. The way to get validation from women was to present an idealized picture of what is possible for men.

westhau · 2013-08-13T22:07:04+00:00

It sort of sounds like talking a good game to get attention from girls. It doesn’t even sound academic.

For me the motivation was not to get these girls into bed. Sex is only the exclamation point on what you really want. What I am addicted to is affirmation and validation from women. That is what I wanted. That is what this whole thing was set up to get. I didn’t need them to want to fuck me. It made no difference to me if they thought of me as a potential boyfriend or a potential father. What mattered to me is that they had me on a pedestal, that they thought about me. That is the honest truth.

And here we have the real reason why male feminists exists.

ManUpManDown · 2013-08-13T19:51:58+00:00

"My point is that I was writing for women because I wanted validation from women."

And there it is. Thousands of years of self-destructive male motivation summarily explained by none other than Hugo Schwyzer.

SteveHanJobs · 2013-08-13T19:48:46+00:00

The ultimate white knight gone bad.

KRosen333 · 2013-08-13T20:14:01+00:00

He's only hurting himself by staying in the public eye. His craving for attention knows no bounds.

ThePigman · 2013-08-14T01:16:36+00:00

It all appears to be surprisingly candid and confirms most MRAs view of the true nature of the male feminists of the world, but Schwyzer is so suspect that i can't help but think that he's up to something. I can't see him going MRA on us, but he might just develop a career as an "expert" in mental health problems amongst men.

dungone · 2013-08-13T23:27:45+00:00

So, what I wrote for Jezebel or The Atlantic or wherever else was always legitimate in the sense that I wasn’t making up facts.

So he tried to hoodwink the stalwart journalists at Jezebel into letting him push his self-avowed lies. Like a fly landing on shit and thinking it to be a treasure. I'm pretty sure that the click-baiting trolls who run that website don't regret having him on there at all.

KRosen333 · 2013-08-14T01:29:08+00:00

Most women have a lot of disappointment in men.

... Queue "Where are all the good men at"

DarthOvious · 2013-08-14T06:37:21+00:00

Looks like the guy is back to his normal douchebag self. I think its fair to start criticising him again.

Title	"Male feminist" and admitted hypocrite Hugo Schwyzer opens up about Twitter meltdown
Author	david-saint-hubbins
Upvotes	24
Comments	30
Date	August 13, 2013 5:39 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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