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Transgender boy wins girls’ state wrestling title for second time

DougDante

February 25, 2018

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Title	Transgender boy wins girls’ state wrestling title for second time
Author	DougDante
Upvotes	74
Comments	121
Date	February 25, 2018 3:12 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/804zgl/transgender_boy_wins_girls_state_wrestling_title/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/transgender-boy-wins-girls-state-wrestling-title.1179276 https://theredarchive.com/post/1179276

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I know a person who did it at age 16, it was very easy for them, they essentially had to get their parents to sign off on it. I also know people who easily obtain hormones without a doctor. I am sure that some people have to jump through hoops with certain doctors, but plenty of people don't. If it was that tightly controlled, then it would barely ever happen except it happens constantly because most doctors know if they say no somebody else will say yes or they will get the drugs illegally so at least they'd rather sign them off, but it's very much a stamp and sign sort of thing, it's not some tightly controlled medical procedure undergone after intensive investigation and expert opinion that you should give a girl synthetic testosterone and fuck with their puberty.

You're kidding yourself if you think that transgender hormone therapy is tightly controlled by experts, the whole thing has basically become a political game, and most doctors just step out of the way.

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The suicide rate is the same post and pre op, why would it go higher? Besides, wouldn't most people realize they are the sex they are when the finally reach full maturity instead of fooling with hormones? Most kids who have gender dysphoria grow out of it, and it's very tough to determine who will and who won't grow out of it. Erring on the side of what happens to most kids, not going through hormone treatment seems to be the better deal for most kids. Most kids before 25, regardless of how adamant they are about their dysphoria, won't know who they'll be at 25.

It royally sucks for those that never grow out of their dysphoria, but I'd argue that therapy and acceptance will do more for their psyche than hormones and surgery. Again, surgery and hormones don't seem to fix the problem with the sky high suicide rate even post op.

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There's been at least one study in 2011 that analyzed suicides for trans, and found the rates for suicide to be much higher than any other population.

You're talking about a study that didnt distinguish between kids that are gender variant (tomboys and tomgirls) and kids with actual dysphoria.

The article I read specifically said kids with gender dysphoria tend to grow out of it. Now if you have a better study, I'll gladly read it. It doesn't change the fact that there's still a lot of development for humans between 18 and 25, and messing with hormones for teenagers growing through puberty isn't even remotely ideal, especially when you can't really tell who's dysphoric and who's simply variant. Hitting a pause button on puberty doesn't solve this, because the kids aren't developing like they should in puberty. It just pushes the problem on down the line.

I'm all for trans rights, and I'm all for treating them with the same measure of dignity and respect I'd treat anyone else. I'm not all for changing up the development of kids who are most likely confused on the very rare case they have full on gender dysphoria that only surgery and hormones can cure. IMO, most cases of kids wanting to transition are kids who are susceptible to suggestions and someone taking advantage of that.

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