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How Not to Return to the Spotlight | Feminist whines that Aziz Ansari is back but, like other victims of the #MeToo witch hunt, he hasn't apologised. Why should he?

EricAllonde

October 28, 2018
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/r/MensRights
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Title How Not to Return to the Spotlight | Feminist whines that Aziz Ansari is back but, like other victims of the #MeToo witch hunt, he hasn't apologised. Why should he?
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EricAllonde

Upvotes 329
Comments 49
Date October 28, 2018 10:51 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9s2c61/how_not_to_return_to_the_spotlight_feminist/
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[–][deleted] 78 points79 points80 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is the absolute worst that feminism has to offer — the belief that one group of people has the right to police the thoughts, feelings and actions of another.

[+][deleted] -19 points-18 points-17 points 7 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

I think the person who wrote the article is a liar and a female supremacist propagandist.

Aziz did apologize, it was pathetic and sounded like an admission of guilt.

Aziz is a feminist hypocrite and an SJW.

What Aziz did would fit most feminists definitions of rape.

What Ansari did was not illegal; if it were, at least half the men I’ve met on Tinder would be in trouble.

Pirating music is illegal, not every kid pirating music is charged with a crime.

What Aziz did WAS illegal.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What exactly did he do that was illegal? She blew him twice before they had sex. He did not force her.

[+][deleted] -15 points-14 points-13 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He didn't have her consent when he shoved his fingers in her mouth.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He didn't have her consent when he shoved his fingers in her mouth.

Yes, he did. He had her consent the whole while. When she stated she didn't want to feel forced, he complied and asked for what he wanted instead, which she then did for him (but complained about that not being consensual either... him asking, and her deciding to do it...).

[+][deleted] -14 points-13 points-12 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

That's not exactly what they said happened.

Would interactions like this break the law? Law&Crime Network legal analyst Julie Rendelman, a criminal defense lawyer and former prosecutor in New York said that yes, Ansari’s alleged actions possibly violated the law. Two statutes could fit. First, there’s forcible touching, a class A misdemeanor. There is also sexual abuse in the third degree, a Class B misdemeanor.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/looks-like-aziz-ansari-might-have-broken-law-based-on-bad-date-allegation/

Forcible touching is illegal in NY. Sounds to me like Aziz broke the law.

Forcible touching. A person is guilty of forcible touching when such person intentionally, and for no legitimate purpose:

  1. forcibly touches the sexual or other intimate parts of another person for the purpose of degrading or abusing such person, or for the purpose of gratifying the actor's sexual desire; or

  2. subjects another person to sexual contact for the purpose of gratifying the actor's sexual desire and with intent to degrade or abuse such other person while such other person is a passenger on a bus, train, or subway car operated by any transit agency, authority or company, public or private, whose operation is authorized by New York state or any of its political subdivisions.

For the purposes of this section, forcible touching includes squeezing, grabbing or pinching.

Forcible touching is a class A misdemeanor.

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article130.htm

Sounds to me like Aziz is guilty. Just because this idiots tinder dates aren't charged with forcible touching doesn't mean they couldn't all be convicted of forcible touching under NY law.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not attacking you, but that law seems kinda weird. Is every person in the BDSM scene guilty of forcible touching? Because it fits perfectly.

Sounds to me like Aziz is guilty.

Why? These are allegations.

[–]Lethn 118 points119 points120 points 7 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link

What Ansari did was not illegal; if it were, at least half the men I’ve met on Tinder would be in trouble.

Dear feminists,

Stop dating scumbags

sincerely, Lethn

p.s. Every time one of these articles comes out it shows you it's not men that are the problem it's you and the fact you have no self-respect or taste in decent men.

Seriously though, she even fucking admits it, she admits she dates scumbags and she thinks because of that all men are the same like most feminists who rant about this sort of thing, talk about living in a bubble.

[–]mikesteane 83 points84 points85 points 7 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

"I went to this restaurant the other night and the waiter kept trying to make me order some food!"

You meet people on a hookup site. Do you not expect them to pressure you for sex? Have I misunderstood what Tinder is or something?

[–]EricAllonde[S] 105 points106 points107 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You meet people on a hookup site. Do you not expect them to pressure you for sex?

Worse than that: Ansari's accuser met him at a formal dinner she was attending with a different date. She ditched her date the moment she saw Ansari (she admitted that she knew about his wealth, fame & industry connections and she hoped that if she hooked up with him he'd boost her career), in order to flirt with him, get his phone number and follow him up afterwards until he asked her out on a date.

I just can't imagine why on earth he thought she was into him... /s

[–]xNOM 59 points60 points61 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This is like the female version of creepy incel guy.

[–]Lethn 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of unfair to incels ( I don't think incels like with MTGOW are genuinely bad especially compared to red pillers ) but considering feminists make fun of incels all the time it seems there's a lot of self-projection coming from them on the dating front. They make fun of 'misogynistic virgin neckbeard losers' constantly yet really the only difference between them and incels is they get sex. Even then, the sex they do get they rant about frequently is completely unsatisfactory and they are completely incapable of finding themselves a man to stick with.

It's not even an exaggeration or making fun of them, this is their lives, they talk about it all the fucking time on their stupid news articles when they rant about men and it says a lot more about their lifestyle choices and the men they pick than anything else.

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have nothing against incels. I just find this woman creepy. SJWs find incels creepy. That's the analogy I was trying to make.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know what you were getting at, I just wanted to clarify :P I was making the same point too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was incel till 23 because I was too scared to ask a girl out or otherwise show romantic interest in her in case it offended her or she thought I was creepy. Kinda annoying seeing people form incel stereotypes that are the complete opposite of how I was.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think that's even 'being incel' hell by feminist standards I technically qualify as incel because I've been working my arse off for ten years to build a business leaving me with no social life whatsoever.

I'm getting that back now at 28 especially with me travelling more but shit happens. That being said, given how universities are currently and how a lot of women my age seem to be made up of psychos I seem to have dodged a bullet I'm not at all bothered at what I've missed but I do want to have a social life again so I'm making an effort to meet decent people.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, most incels don't see the term "incel" as some sort of political statement, more just a description of a state. Not able to get sex? Incel, generally. I'd say you're actually not technically incel because your dry spell is a matter of choice. I'm not even sure if I technically met the definition, since it was my own fear keeping me back and therefore my own agency in a sense, depending on how you view it.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points48 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

(she admitted that she knew about his wealth, fame & industry connections and she hoped that if she hooked up with him he'd boost her career)

This sums up the whole incident. She thought that she could take advantage of this man for networking purposes, and she was ashamed that she gave it up too soon, before she could use him, and she's got the hump about it.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was referring to the half of all the men she had met on Tinder, which in itself says a fair amount about her.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she looks for feelings/ arbitrary "fun" game, where others look for sex

[–]Mens-Advocate 20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Excuse me, why are you engaging in "slut-shaming" of Ansari? He's not a scumbag, and is a decent man. His wanting and obtaining consensual sex doesn't change that.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

welcome to feminism. Where wanting sex and pursuing it is only for women. Male sexuality? Bad, bad, rapey thing.

[–]dukunt 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women pressure men into sex too. I hate how we make issues into a male problem or a female problem. We are all one species (at least last time I checked) these are human problems.

[–]quipcustodes 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I don't get. Women complain constantly about terrible behaviour from men. Then reward said behaviour.

[+][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Would interactions like this break the law? Law&Crime Network legal analyst Julie Rendelman, a criminal defense lawyer and former prosecutor in New York said that yes, Ansari’s alleged actions possibly violated the law. Two statutes could fit. First, there’s forcible touching, a class A misdemeanor. There is also sexual abuse in the third degree, a Class B misdemeanor.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/looks-like-aziz-ansari-might-have-broken-law-based-on-bad-date-allegation/

Forcible touching is illegal in NY. Sounds to me like Aziz broke the law.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol... really? You think this qualifies as forcible touching? Thank God you aren't a lawyer...

[–]Ak47110 52 points53 points54 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This girl is the same type of person who would cheat on her boyfriend and then accuse her lover of rape when caught, rather than admit to cheating.

Steer clear of these types gentleman.

[–]Mens-Advocate 27 points28 points29 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The entire matter shows the evil, manipulative, supremacist misandry lurking in the hearts of too many women and the feminist society they have created.

To summarise the wrong committed by Ansari:

  • He wanted sex. This is a normal human impulse, and he approached it ethically. He did nothing wrong.

Now to summarize the wrongs committed by "Grace":

  • She showed no loyalty, ditching one man for the possibility of another.
  • She wanted the other, Ansari, as an object: a success object, a status object, a money object.
  • She got what she wanted - a dinner-date with, and a night with, Ansari.
  • She wanted and got sex.
  • She hasn't the decency to thank him for dinner or sex, but instead tries to destroy his life, in revenge for his not being that into her.
  • She hasn't even the honesty to give her name in public.
  • Along with her feminist "sisters", seems to claim at once women all-powerful, etc, but at the same time as an adult incapable of managing her relationships with men - in other words, to say no, or say yes, or tell Ansari at first she only has sex within a committed relationship, or to do or not do anything she wishes consensually. Are adult women children incapable of managing their lives?

It seems to me "grace", not Ansari, is the one who should be outed and shamed for her behaviour.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]handklap 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you read the hit piece article, he DID apologize to her the second she told him about her feelings

[–]Cristoff13 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point. This lady though wants him to make some sort of public apology. Why should he? That would imply he was guilty. And it wouldn't do any good. Feminists don't accept apologies from those accused of #metoo offenses.

Feminists want any man accused of a #metoo offense to never be allowed to work in their chosen career again. No exceptions. Any apology will be used as a way to castigate and humiliate him - and then it will be rejected. Look at Al Franken, or Louis CK. Aziz is wise not to apologise further and indeed not to publicly talk about the incident.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Abby Nierman

So they released her real name? Good.

couldn't decide if she wanted red or white wine.

I'm a bartender. This happens all the time.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was no rape accusation.

[–]Kartoffee 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Didn't apologize for consensual sex. You don't need to. And an apology for rape is not justice. Is metoo just about labeling people as rapists without convicting them?

[–]antilopes 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There was no accusation of rape. She just found him pushy.

[–]AmonAhriman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Pushy,” she’s just humiliated that all it takes to get her to blow you is to literally point at your crotch, nothing more.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Strong independent woman doesn't know the word NO.

[–]Tatrer 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

the reality is that many women are still taught to be caretakers of the male ego. We learn at an early age to value ourselves based on our ability to be agreeable, to please others, to silence our anger. To deny that this is still reinforced to young women daily is a privilege of ignorance and convenience. It’s unfair for us to criticize young women for not putting up a fight when, until recently, most culture has rewarded us for doing the opposite.

Growing up is hard, rub some dirt on it and move on.

Later in the article she complains that Ansari, amongst others falsely accused, don't have empathy for their accusers and don't become allies to the feminist monolith.

What a piece of garbage article.

[–]throwaway95001 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to know where, when and how are women taught to be caretakers of the male ego? I can clearly see how men are taught to be caretakers of the female ego. "Am I fat?", "am I pretty?, "do I look fat in this dress?".

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women think they have empathy for men, but they really don’t have a fucking clue what our lives are like.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women think they have empathy for men, but they really don’t have a fucking clue what our lives are like.

So much this. This is obvious whenever feminists tell me what men's lives are like.

[–]IceSmash1 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read halfway though and noped my way out of there.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if that last bit of the show was based on her. If it was, at least Aziz got some great storytelling out of a shitty situation he was put in.

[–]pubies 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not that it matters to these people, but I think he did apologize directly to the "victim".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Leonardo DiCaprio is a legendary womanizer who still dates 20 year old models into his 40s... but Aziz Ansari is their public enemy number one.

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archive -- https://archive.is/QBAR9

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if this is the same Emily Smith who wrote the utter piece of crap that Diana Davison talks about in her new video:

The Dishonesty of #MeToo

[–]auMatech 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I admit i didn't really read the article, but is it safe to assume the guy is still going to peddle the feminist schtick after all the shit they put him through?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should be apologizing to him

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