How feminism hurt men.

A feminist asked in this post, how does feminism hurt men:

I do think men face problems that specific to men, but I think it's men's job to fix it. Like spreading different healthy body types for men or showing men how to be vulnerable. It's a problem that a men's movement built by men should solve.

I do think feminism has problems but I think it's more racism, classism and ableism being pushed as part of feminism, like how men of color or working class men existing is lumped with actual harassments when women talk about how men make them feel uncomfortable.

How do feminists interfere with men building a men's movement that's about helping men?

This is my response:

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I do think men face problems that specific to men, but I think it's men's job to fix it. Like spreading different healthy body types for men or showing men how to be vulnerable. It's a problem that a men's movement built by men should solve.

it's man's job to fix it ? why ? why women's problems are the responsibility of all the society but the men's problems are the responsibility of men only.

Isn't that traditional gender roles ? by saying "it's man's job to fix it" you are saying to men just "man up" !

Men's problems need systemic solutions from policy makers.

Showing men how to be vulnerable ? are you saying men are responsible for their own problems because they don't know how to be vulnerable ? that's victim blaming and also supremacy. men know how to be vulnerable. we are not stupid. the problem is that when we are vulnerable we don't get any help. people tell us "man up" (like you just did)

Men show vulnerablity all the time, this is what the men's rights movement is about. but we get demonized for it by feminists, we get called "whiners" "stop playing the victim" "women have it worse" etc etc ..

For example in the US the anti domestic violence bill titled "Violence Against Women Act" and only women get services. this is institutional sexism. this is not the men's job to fix it. this is a civil rights issue. this is OUR job to fix it. yourself included.

Here are some quotes from men who called abuse hotlines, taken fromNational Parent’s organization:

They laughed at me and told me I must have done something to deserve it if it happened at all.

Another said: They asked how much I weighed and how much she weighed and then hung up on me...I was told by this agency that I was full of BS.

Twelve percent of the hotlines accused the man of being the batterer or responsible for the abuse. One abused man said:

They told me women don't commit domestic violence -- it must have been my fault.

Another said: They accused me of trying to hide my "abuse" of her by claiming to be a victim, and they said that I was nothing more than a wimp.

Of the men who sought help by contacting local domestic violence programs, only 10% found them to be "very helpful," whereas 65% found them to be "not at all helpful." One abused man said:

They just laughed and hung up the phone.

Another said: They didn't really listen to what I said. They assumed that all abusers are men and said that I must accept that I was the abuser. They ridiculed me for not leaving my wife, ignoring the issues about what I would need to do to protect my six children and care for them.

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Stop telling men that's their job to fix the problems, stop victim blaming, admit that institutional sexism against exist. accept that if you are pro equality it's your job to fix the problems.

" It's the same way in our healthcare system, men die on average 5 years younger than women, they die more frequently of most of the top killer diseases. we have several national offices for women's health and we have nothing for men. if that's not bigotry. if that's not real deadly sexism, i don't know what is ! " Paul Elam

This is how feminism hurt men, by victim blaming men and denying the existence is institutional sexism against men.

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I do think feminism has problems but I think it's more racism, classism and ableism being pushed as part of feminism, like how men of color or working class men existing is lumped with actual harassments when women talk about how men make them feel uncomfortable.

Saying men make them feel uncomfortable is not racism or classism. it is misandry. dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men.

I see feminists say that men (ALL MEN not jus men of color or working class ) make them feel uncomfortable.

This is why men's issues and men's rights are ignored, because you make them look as racial or class issue when in reality it's gender issue (men's issue) for example police brutality: 96% of the victims are men, 86% of the homeless are men (read this instagram post for more)

This is how feminism hurt men, by making men's issues invisible. by reclassifying male problems into other categories: social, racial, class, immigration, etc

As explain Daniel Jimenez in "Dehumanizing the male" (read the book review here) :

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Female problems are gendered, but male problems are not. Previously we talked about workplace fatalities. Well, if you read this article in the newspaper ElDiario.es you will realize that data segregated by sex is not provided. The article refers to “dead people” or “workers”. If you read it in Europa Press the same thing happens. But if you read it on RTVE and you have the patience to reach exactly the end of the last paragraph, you will find the sex segregation. Imagine that the numbers of male and female workers killed was the opposite (that is, 602 dead women and 50 men), do you think the media treatment would have been the same? Do you think that society’s and social agents’ response would have been the same? (that is, none) As Daniel repeats throughout the book, there is no gender spinning for men’s problems. If a problem or violence affects primarily women, it is a gendered problem, but the opposite does not happen.

You ask:

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How do feminists interfere with men building a men's movement that's about helping men?

in different ways for example by insisting that the conversation on gender equality focus exclusively on women's rights and never men's rights. by insisting that the conversation on sexism focus exclusively on misogyny and never misandry. for example:

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A proposal at Simon Fraser University (near Vancouver) to open up a men’s centre on campus (to address issues like suicide, addiction, and negative stereotypes) was opposed by the existing women’s centre. Their alternative suggestion was a “male allies project” to “bring self-identified men together to talk about masculinity and its harmful effects”.

Author Warren Farrell went to give a talk on the boys’ crisis (boys dropping out of school and committing suicide at higher rates) at the University of Toronto, but he was opposed by protesters who “barricaded the doors, harassed attendees, pulled fire alarms, chanted curses at speakers and more”. Opposition included leaders in the student union.

Three students at Ryerson University (also in Toronto) tried to start a men’s issues club. They were blocked by the student union, which associated the idea with supposed “anti-women’s rights groups” and dismissed the idea of sexism against men as an “oppressive concept”. The union passed a motion saying it rejects “Groups, meetings events or initiatives [that] negate the need to centre women’s voices in the struggle for gender equity”.

Professor Janice Fiamengo tried to give a talk in Ottawa on men’s issues, only to be interrupted by students shouting, blasting horns, and pulling the fire alarm.

Christian Hoff Sommers (known for her conservative/individualist/libertarian perspective on gender issues) gave a talk at Oberlin College in Ohio. Activists hung up posters identifying the names of those who invited her as “supporters of rape culture”.

A student at Durham University in England was affected by the suicide of a close male friend, and so he tried to open up a “male human rights society” on campus. His proposal was rejected by the Societies Committee as “controversial”, and he was told he could only have a men’s group as a branch of the Feminist Society on campus.

Journalist Cathy Young spoke at Saint Paul University (part of the University of Ottawa) in September 2015, on the topics of campus gender politics, GamerGate, neglect of men’s issues, and focusing on women’s victimization (for sexual violence and cyber-bullying). Masked protesters called her “rape apologist scum” and pulled the fire alarm.

In 2015, the University of York announced its intention to observe International Men’s Day. A torrent of criticism ensued, including an open letter to the university claiming that such a day “does not combat inequality, but merely amplifies existing, structurally imposed, inequalities”. The university cancelled the plans and affirmed that “the main focus of gender equality work should continue to be on the inequalities faced by women”. In contrast, its observation of International Women’s day a few months earlier was a week long affair with more than 100 events.

This is how feminism hurt men, by saying any talk about men's rights is hate speech. and men are only allowed to talk about how being a "man is trash" ! and by saying masculinity is harmful. just like the nazis said jewishness is harmful feminists are saying the exact same thing on our identity as men and boys.

For more watch the red pill documentary.

And watch this video.