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France's #MeToo creator found guilty of defamation

GerryM32

September 25, 2019
169 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49824683
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Title France's #MeToo creator found guilty of defamation
Author

GerryM32

Upvotes 169
Comments 24
Date September 25, 2019 3:44 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/d9539g/frances_metoo_creator_found_guilty_of_defamation/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/frances-metoo-creator-found-guilty-of-defamation.1203911
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[–]tenchineuro 25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Sandra Muller, who created the "#balancetonporc" ("rat on your pig") hashtag in 2017, has been ordered to pay damages to ex-TV boss Éric Brion.

The court awarded Mr Brion, who was accused of flirting with Ms Muller inappropriately, €20,000 ($22,000, £17,500) in damages and fees.

Ms Muller said she would appeal.

"I lost today, but the other women won," she said following the verdict on Wednesday.

While this is better than nothing, I still don't think uncertain civil penalties are the proper response for false criminal allegations.

[–]Pioustarcraft 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Note that she must pay € 5.000 which will cover the costs of the lawyer of the guy she accused and € 15.000 in damages+ interest to the guy himself.
This is not the same amount of money we see in american courts but it is significant compared to what people usually have to pay in those cases.

Also note that the tweet she posted was posted on Octobre 13 2017 so it took nearly 2 years to reach this verdict. Now she will appeal so the whole thing has to start all over again.

When MeToo started, I kept saying "wait until end 2019 and early 2020, this is when the trials will take place" Thi is where the backlash might really be felt

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, but one step at a time.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Next stop, proper capital punishment.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Next stop, proper capital punishment.

Maybe you want to take that to a sub where it makes sense. Maybe r:againstmensrights?

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For me it makes sense to destroy a life of a criminal that, by false accusation, tried to destroy someone's life. To be just, the law must be cruel.

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The general consensus in these parts is that she should serve the same sentence that the man she accused would have. You know, equal protection under the law.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

well, we can agree to disagree :)

[–]jayb20133 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Mr Szpiner, Ms Muller's lawyer, told the court in May: "If you do not feel that when a man stands in front of you and makes you such a proposal, it's offensive, I'm sorry for you, but today a majority of women and men think it is."

I admit this made me throw up a little bit

[–]SchalaZeal01 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

and its false

People think sexual harassment is bad. You'll get a majority to agree on this no doubt.

But that awkward flirting is sexual harassment when not even in a job function? Nope. Most won't agree.

[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have lost fucking count of how many times women flirt with me in the workplace. It’s really awkward and I just wish they’d be more professional.

[–]jayb20133 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's fucking ridiculous!

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps a majority, but I am not one of them. Every sexual harrassment law I have every seen is a poorly written piece of shit designed by feminists.

Instead I would replace them with a sexual extortion laws, with CLEAR sensible rules that do not violate free speech laws, that take sex work and it's needs into account (no sexual harrassment laws do this).

But it would be extremely difficult to abuse such a law so feminists will hate it.

[–]huxepenner 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That tells you all you need to know about the MeToo thing.

[–]EvilLothar 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The best part of the article was way down at the very bottom of the page....

" Why you can trust BBC News "

I loled.

[–]Tmomp 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ms Muller urged women to "continue to denounce wrongdoings of any kind"

Would that include Ms Muller's behavior?

Perhaps she should suggest the man she victimized post a hashtag about his being victimized for his gender.

[–]autotldr 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)


Sandra Muller was ordered to pay €20,000 in damages and fees to ex-TV boss Éric Brion, who she said had flirted with her inappropriately.

Mr Brion described the "Machine" Ms Muller launched with her tweets as "Unstoppable", and alleged that he had been subject to serious professional and personal repercussions because of it.

Mr Brion said he had never worked with Ms Muller in any capacity; that he had apologised for his words, and not pursued it after he was rejected.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Muller#1 Brion#2 harassment#3 name#4 lawyer#5

[–]White_Mlungu_Capital 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A yes, don't think hiding from women at work will mean you won't get a false accusation. Just because you never seen her, doesn't mean that she can't accuse you!

[–]genkernels 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wish I could get this bot on every article, even if it could only reduce by ~60%.

[–]White_Mlungu_Capital 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope he learns his lesson, never trust a woman.

[–]Blutarg 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What?!? You mean you can't just go around saying any old thing you want about people???

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The irony is delicious.

[–]Luchadorgreen 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welp

[–]bahbah22 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a raise of thumbs up, who all here has been faster accused of rape? #MeToo

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