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What Happens When Alleged Sexual Violence Victims Lie?

Banake

January 7, 2022
583 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/13/happens-alleged-victims-might-lying/
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Title What Happens When Alleged Sexual Violence Victims Lie?
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Banake

Upvotes 583
Comments 71
Date January 7, 2022 3:19 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ry9rg3/what_happens_when_alleged_sexual_violence_victims/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/what-happens-when-alleged-sexual-violence-victims.1211857
https://theredarchive.com/post/1211857
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Comments

[–]asura227 161 points162 points163 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is a well written article. However, i feel that the author is trying to humanize monsters.

What A.H. did was despicable. Point blank period. Her actions and the knee jerk reactions to them are in my mind proof of the conspiratorial nature of the situation which author attempts to deny. The plays the A.H. used to attempt to ruin J.D. are documented in a book called How to Destroy a Man. This book is openly available and not considered hate speech.

Furthermore, no matter what a man does, he alone is responsible for his actions. He alone must pay the price for them.Here we see the author make several attempts to remove the second woman she wrote about from the heinous nature of her actions. Even going so far as to suggest that Harvey Weinstein should be held responsible for the crimes she committed.

A well written piece of hot female supremacy garbage.

[–]auMatech 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no matter what a man does, he alone is responsible for his actions

To add onto this: no matter what a man does or doesn't do, he alone is responsible for the actions he may or may not have done.

This applies directly to the AH and JD case

[–]63daddy 126 points127 points128 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The woman who falsely accused the Duke lacrosse players went so far as to perjure herself in court, which could have landed the guys in prison for decades. Despite the extreme severity of her false allegation, she suffered absolutely no consequences for her lies.

That’s the problem. Falsely accusing a guy is an easy way to ruin his life or profession, and the odds are the false accuser will never face any consequences for their actions.

[–]contraterrene 69 points70 points71 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

If she had been initially punished then her boyfriend would still be alive as she murdered him.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/crystal-mangum-duke-lacrosse-accuser-convicted-in-murder-case/

[–]ipwr85 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Even after being convicted of murder she still received a very lenient sentence.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

14 to 18. Probably soon to be reduced to five minutes by some Soros-financed DA.

[–]BoredRedhead24 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She tried to murder a previous boyfriend, but being female she was allowed to get away with it.

[–]63daddy 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Prostitute, dancer, false accuser, murderer. No wonder people believed such a fine upstanding citizen.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the reason why false-rape accusations should be treated as a crime at par with actual rape...

Her behaviour shows that she had the a narcissistic personality similar to how most real rapists have.

Letting them off the hook allows them to commit more crimes as long as they can get away with it..
She kept committing crimes, and kept getting treated leniently until an innocent person lost his life. And even then she was treated leniently.
Disgusting!

[–]MikiSayaka33 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

CBS News article (archive)

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not true. As i recall, she was punished by being given a college scholarship.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. This is absolutely the truth. False accuser and nothing happens to them. If anything they benefit.

[–]LocalNative141 166 points167 points168 points 4 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

Fuck Amber Heard. All my homies hate Amber Heard

[–]Mother-Key582 81 points82 points83 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Any guy that is still defending her (probably because she’s sooooooo “hot”) have serious mental problems. A real man would definitely cancel that C U Next Tuesday, no matter how attractive. She’s a disgusting monster. Period.

[–]SpookeyClown 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

After seeing the turd she left in Johnny's bed kinda kills her hotness for me.

[–]NHS_24 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So true 💯💯💯

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's actually a picture of Amber Turd's turd out there?

[–]SpookeyClown 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy crap!

[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There was always something cold about her eyes. Same with Jennifer Lawrence.
Even when they were still liked and "cool" and funny and personable, they had the same cold, emotionless eyes.
Not saying Jennifer Lawrence is as bad as her, but both turned out to be the exact opposite of the UWU likeable girl picture we were sold.

[–]General-Makepeace 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with what you said about Heard, but I don't remember ever hearing anything bad about Lawrence. Mind pointing me in the right direction?

[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I was just referring to the countless times she was just downright asshole to fans and normal people. We were told she is super cool and personable and nice, but then even she keeps talking about hating people and being rude.
Like scratching her butt on Hawaiian ceremonial rocks, lecturing a foreign reporter for reading his questions off his phone (we are talking about someone who is not a native speaker, so probably nervous/having some difficulties with the language), acting like an asshole to normal people who are fans of hers, etc.

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Mother-Key582 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t come up with it but lol no problem 🤣

[–]NHS_24 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amber turd 💩💩💩💩

[–]Starship_Captain01 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean Amber Turd.

[–]TheKingOFFarts 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

An aggressive woman shitting on the bed is literally the face of modern feminism

[+]MET1 -23 points-22 points-21 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Don't let her be that - promote the ones who behave ethically.

[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why? When the people involved in the movement do nothing, why should people outside it try to make feminism look good?

Besides, feminism was some shade of shitty from day 1, so I don't understand why we all should desperately try to make it work. Maybe the movement is just... not good?

And no, before you start, feminism doesn't mean quality, they don't own it and you don't need to be a feminist to be for equality.

[–]Tank-o-grad 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not up to us to run PR for Feminism Inc.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Which ones would that be?

[–]MET1 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You have a point. The "famous" ones are the ones whose names we know. The ethical ones don't get headlines.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Which ones would that be?

[–]MET1 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

First thought : Judge Judy. Seems random though. I don't know if she thinks of herself that way.

[–]Kindly-Town 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In her one interview, she said she doesn't identify as feminist.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, the ethical feminists appear to add up to approximately zero.

[–]Magical-Hummus 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want to be equal and normalized, you should not get sepcial treatment.

[–]Kindly-Town 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

She is now the speaker of domestic violence against women and girls group. That pretty much shows the people who you are calling ethical support her.

[–]MET1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did not know that.

[–]KougatCaribou 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Other men will not come forward because in their minds, what's the point.

[–]Crushed_95 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When is that garbage ass Aqua Man 2 movie coming out so I can not pay to watch it?

[–]therevaj 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What Happens When Alleged Sexual Violence Victims Lie?

TLDR: nothing

[–]Banake[S] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't stand The Federalist, but this article was (mostly) ok...

[–]djb1983CanBoy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There were more unanswered questions than facts. Its really shitty and makes way too many excuses for heard and asia.

Also, “severing a finger that had to be surgically reattached. She later disputed this characterization of the incident” is a pretty cowardly way of saying that she accused him of cutting off his own finger to frame her.

She is clearly a narcissist and anything she accuses someone else of doing is exactly what she would do herself. They cannot reason logically and cannot take responsibility for their own actions.

Im Talking from personal experience. My actions are both my own fault completely and the cause of my ex’s shitty behaviour, according to her.

Thats besides the point. The author is a coward. Instead of actually condemning both women, she just asks an enormous amount of open-ended questions and says dont make any judgements because you are not them.

But at least its questions instead of condemning the men, a step in the right direction and questioning the entire falacy of the cancel culture, metoo, and feminism.

Identity politics themselves are to blame. We must stop putting people in groups. It doesnt matter if heard is a woman. Cases must be judged on a case by case basis.

I

[–]Spangaer 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I never heard of A.H before she was abusing J.D so I only know that about her.

[–]Banake[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She was in Aquaman.

[–]Spangaer 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't help, but thanks.

[–]MikiSayaka33 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Federalist article (archive)

Here's an archive of the article, just in case the article gets removed, drastically changed or the whole website gets taken down.

[–]DirtAndGrass 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

cool, but it has been on their site for 3? years?

[–]jordymumblesreal 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Even with a good lawyer the system had me and it was me vs the state. Going to trial was a mistake bc strangers don't care about you enough to actually stick up for you. They barely want to be there in the first place. It felt like they were trying me as a man and my ex husband was the woman just to even out status quo in order to cover their tracks of fucking over so many young men to be completely honest.

[–]KataLight 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The sooner people realize the system fucks everyone the better. Sure courts might more often then not treat men badly in demostic cases but that doesn't mean women don't get fucked over. Things we do to stop bias helps as many as possible. It's not a man vs women thing nearly as much as some think when it comes to fixing stuff. Sorry you got fucked over and hope you're doing better now at least.

[–]dre_day901 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not enough even if something happens at all

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amusing tidbit : way before she got famous Amber Turd played a duplicitous psycho -- herself, in other words -- in All The Boys Love Mandy Lane.

[–]SnooTangerines6857 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tupac went to prison, for false rape, no evidence at all , if he wouldn’t of gone to jail he would of been alive today

[–]MoozesModiMoozi 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

nothing at all usually they get a settlement check

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Happens all the time and a jury often falls for it. Faulty legal system is partially the problem here.

[+]jordymumblesreal -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately- the sex of the person doesn't really matter. Anyone can take advantage of the system.

I was lied on and then convicted wrongfully of "scratching" my ex husband. His family has been trying to ruin my life since we met.

[–]tenchineuro 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I was lied on and then convicted wrongfully of "scratching" my ex husband.

What was the sentence?

[–]jordymumblesreal 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

DV and assault. 2 year probation with a nco. The prosecution seemed like they went to a theater school. This was all before Ohios stand your ground law. It was all planned he waited 6 months into the marriage and lied to police. He hurt me and abused me for years. Was never around for the kids. He tried to use it all against me when I divorced him to try take our 3 children. The same system that has been fucking over young, naive men who can't afford a good lawyer can clearly do the exact same thing to a woman. They system doesn't work for any of us.

Domestic violence is the only charge that cannot be expunged and really will ruin your life. There needs to be justice for all the men who were falsely accused- there needs to be a way to expunge it so the people who fall prey to this disgusting thing can move on with their lives.

[–]tenchineuro 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

DV and assault. 2 year probation with a nco.

Probation, how typical.

It was all planned

Whut?

They system doesn't work for any of us.

Did you lose everything and have to pay most of your salary to him for CS?

Domestic violence is the only charge that cannot be expunged and really will ruin your life.

Were you violent?

[–]jordymumblesreal 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was defending myself but I didn't have money for a good lawyer. Divorcing him was completely separate and although he tried to use the conviction against me it didn't work. After a bunch of money and time he finally settled for shared legal custody. I feel for all the men who have been falsely accused and then convicted. However I'm here to say it can happen to any one of us.

[–]tenchineuro 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was defending myself but I didn't have money for a good lawyer.

Courts make men pay their ex-wive's legal expenses all the time, even when the man wins.

After a bunch of money and time he finally settled for shared legal custody.

Who has physical custody?

I feel for all the men who have been falsely accused and then convicted.

The feminist written VAWA + Duluth Model makes it easy. Apparently your municipality is not getting VAWA funds or they'd have to use the Duluth Model and the vawa requires mandatory arrest policies, of the man of course. Had this been under the VAWA rules he'd be in jail no matter who did what.

For reference, here's a short summary of the Duluth Model.

  • Duluth is predicated on the "patriarchal terrorism" paradigm of partner violence. That is, men beat their female partners in order to assert masculine dominance within their relationships. Their motives are to conform to patriarchal norms and to reify a the patriarchal social/political/cultural order of male dominance and female subordination within the home.

  • Under this faulty model, women cannot, as a conceptual matter, perpetrate partner abuse. If they hit their male partners, it was in self defense. If they hit first, or are the only partner who hits, they are doing it within the context of "violent resistance" against presumed emotional or psychological abuse on his part.

However I'm here to say it can happen to any one of us.

OK.

[–]mug-buliku 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it can happen to any one of us.

True, but it happens to some subgroups of us more than to other subgroups, and ignoring that does no one any favor.

[–]mug-buliku 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A single anecdote does not repudiate data.   What happened to you is wrong, of course, but the conclusion "Unfortunately- the sex of the person doesn't really matter." does not follow.

[–]simpingspartan -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing, that would be my guess.

[–]DirtyPartyMan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually very little

[–]3comma1415926535 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What Happens When Alleged Sexual Violence Victims Lie?

answer : lier get millions $ and somebody going #

[–]cantbesilenced1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most dont

[–]Banake[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But some do. You just created this account to make bad one liners that you think will zing people, right?

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