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Getting married doesn’t make people any happier

PutsWomenOnPedestal

July 31, 2023
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https://psychcentral.com/blog/single-at-heart/2017/12/quora-really-likes-my-answer-to-the-question-of-whether-getting-married-makes-you-happier#1

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Title Getting married doesn’t make people any happier
Author

PutsWomenOnPedestal

Upvotes 6
Comments 25
Date July 31, 2023 7:45 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/ExRedPill
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[–]Yamureska 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Some good relationship advice I've heard recently basically says this: don't look for a partner thinking they'll "fix" you or that the relationship will give you happiness. You've got to be happy already before looking for a relationship.

[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If you are already happy why would you look for a relationship?

[–]Yamureska 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because you care about someone and want to share happiness and the like with them, not because you feel bad and want another person to "fix" you.

[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Which category do you think most marriages really fall into? Genuinely wondering.

Because you care about someone

I have trouble understanding why someone would care enough to live together with someone else, if they were perfectly content with themselves.

[–]bluemagex2517 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have trouble understanding why someone would care enough to live together with someone else, if they were perfectly content with themselves.

I'm not the person you were responding to, but maybe I can help. Idk about which is more frequent, but people who go into relationships already happy and content have much healthier relationships.

Maybe you just don't see their motivation? They aren't motivated to fix their loneliness or depression. They are instead motivated to build even more happiness and have companionship.

A weak, but hopefully effective analogy: I enjoy driving my car by myself, but for a long road trip I like to have a someone with me. Not because I'd be lonely or depressed without someone in my car, but because it's more fun and enjoyable and less burdensome with someone else. They can also help with the burden of driving or navigating, which is analogous to paying bills and/or raising kids. And, there are trade offs, the person might want to stop more frequently than you, or listen to different music, but it's worth all that to have a companion. Similarly, you'd have more control of your living space and not have to deal with any of the burdens of living with someone if you were single, but you deem it worth it for the companionship. None of this means I'd be miserable doing the road trip on my own, just that it's even better to share that experience with someone special to me.

Hope that helps?

I pose the reverse of your question back at you: If you're not content with yourself, being in a relationship won't fix that. So, if that's your only motivation for find a relationship, why be in one at all?

[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. I can’t argue with anything you said.

So, if that's your only motivation for find a relationship, why be in one at all?

Why indeed. It’s tragic that media and culture conspire to brainwash people into thinking relationships are mandatory

[–]Tostitos153 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude, you want to be in a relationship. All your posts are related to women, sex, and relationships. You’ve probably not had much luck with the ladies, and you’re feeling lonely; and trying to find other people online to validate you being single. We can tell. I think you need to hop off the internet and try to get more outside life experience. Try to talk to more women, and people in general. You seem to be basing your ideologies all from the internet.

[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not completely wrong, but not accurate either. I am in a “relationship” as you call it, though not because of any skill with women. Just trying to come to terms with the FOMO. But I am not lonely since I am not overly fond of my fellow human apes.

[–]Tostitos153 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What kind of relationship?

[–]Dependent_Active_944 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It has for me for ten years.

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[–]fathergoose77 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, getting married won’t make an unhappy person happy the same way that just getting a girlfriend or losing your virginity won’t solve all your life problems.

I’m currently engaged. I don’t think my upcoming marriage with automatically bring me happiness. However, I’m pretty content with myself and my life (always room for improvements of course and still working on personal goals), and I love my fiancé and I think we make a really great team, so we want to spend our lives with each other. We understand it is not all rainbows and roses, there will be rough days, but I feel confident that we can work though those rough days because we are both dedicated to making the marriage work and we have been getting pretty damn good at communicating/problem solving together. I want to do life with her - including all the ups and downs.

Expecting marriage to magically bring you happiness is a guarantee for disappointment.

[–]emfanthrowaway12 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I want to do life with her - including all the ups and downs.

This is the mindset that so many people dont get. Many people either want to he in it only for the good stuff or expect that both people will "fix" eachother. Thats not how sharing life works. If one wants to be accepted fully they need to learn how to accept fully which isnt easy. Serious long term relationships arent easy but theyre extremely rewarding, arent they?

It was very wholesome to read your comment, I wish all the best to you and your fiance soon to be wife, best of luck!

[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As one of the people who doesn’t get it, can I ask why sharing life is so rewarding? In what way? Is it because someone is there to share the household workload ?

[–]ManWazo 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I'd be so less happy if I was married!

[–]tromp-et -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is for the children, not for personal happiness. Although I do think getting married to THE RIGHT PERSON would make you happier in the long run. But marriage for a large part is about self sacrifice to create the best possible outcome for your children.

[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100% agreed. This is what keeps people in marriages.

[–]bluemagex25171 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There are a lot of married people who don't ever have children.

There are a lot of married people who don't provide good outcomes for their children.

There are a lot of unmarried people who do provide good outcomes for their children.

So, if you're right and marriage is supposed to do that, then we might as well get rid of it because it's not doing that.

[–]bluemagex2517 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Personally I don't "believe" in marriage. Not that I don't think it exists. I think it's mostly pointless and has a lot of downsides.

The core of this belief is simply that it's superfluous and antiquated. People don't need a ceremony, vows, a contract, extra social pressure, and sometimes mountains of debt, in order to have a healthy and happy long term relationship. Especially non-religious people like my partner and me.

My partner and I have been together 5.5 years, and our relationship is still incredibly strong. We don't fight. We still have passion. We love each other deeply. What would marriage add to that? Other than some legal privileges? I'd rather fight to get those legal privileges without getting married.

It's not that I'm saying married people can't be happy. I have a lot of friends who have gotten married over the last couple of years and I wish them the best. Most of them are very happy too, and I very much enjoyed going to their weddings and celebrating with them. I just don't think it has made them any more happy than when they were merely in long term relationships, and it certainly doesn't make their relationships stronger or better than mine.

It's also a personal thing that came from the way I was raised. My parents were only together briefly. My mom got pregnant and had me. My parents got along great as friends/acquaintances and both did an excellent job as parents. They both got married to other people at different times after I was born. Both those marriages failed miserably. It was so much harder for my little brother to go through a divorce than it was for me to just have parents who weren't together. My mom and stepfather's marriage happened later on, I was in college by the time it ended. They had been in a pretty good relationship before they got married, but the marriage put all kinds of pressures on them. My step dad ended up becoming a hardcore drug addict, not because of the marriage but it also didn't help anything. Instead of just being able to kick him out, my mom had to go through a one sided divorce that was insanely difficult and messy. Meanwhile some of my mom's hippy friends weren't married and are still together to this day. Seeing how marriages could fail and how relationships could succeed without marriage was of full display to me as I grew up.

That's my views on it anyway. I don't like hate anyone who gets married, or think they are dumb. I just think most people haven't really been exposed to an alternative, they hit a milestone and they do the thing. It's sadly kind of automatic. It's also borderline brainwashed into kids, especially little girls. They're encouraged to dream about their wedding from way before they even have any romantic feelings for anyone. That's a little messed up. I just wish people would examine the idea and the institution more closely as adults. Maybe they'll still be into it, but maybe not.

It just seems to me like an institution we could get rid of and it would be a slight net positive for the world.

[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If there is no difference except the legal status then why would relationships be more successful than marriages? Is it because it is easier to walk away from a relationship than a marriage?

[–]bluemagex2517 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Marriages come with all kinds of expectations and social pressures that relationships don't have. That's the most important bit. But, yes, the ability to walk away from a relationship without all the legal hassle is also important. People with faltering marriages feel trapped, which doesn't help fix the underlying relationship. It might seem paradoxical, but having the option to walk away at any time can actually make people feel more secure. The person in the relationship knows their partner is genuinely choosing to be there, whereas the person in the marriage might feel like their partner is staying at least in part out of obligation.

[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very interesting in a game-theory sort of way!

Edit: and it makes perfect sense. Social obligation is the toxic glue that holds marriages together

[–]Dependent_Active_944 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you have children?

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