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Ain’t this the truth. We have so little control over our lives but we have so many delusions to the contrary.
/r/ExRedPill27/07/26 01:53 PM
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By realizing that romance is very likely Hollywood fiction. If that turns out to be not true and you do meet someone that you develop “romantic” feelings for, then more power to you.
/r/ExRedPill27/07/26 02:31 AM
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Sounds very interesting with a lot of potential. The website listed doesn’t connect for me, fyi. Biggest bottleneck I can think of is people being willing to open up and answer honestly which some might be reluctant to do.
/r/ExRedPill12/07/26 01:09 PM
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why are influencers given any weight compared with a random guy ranting on a train? This always puzzles me. Why would anyone pay attention to what some random unqualified misogynist is ranting on YouTube? Is the younger generation more gullible? Or are they looking to validate already developed misogyny?
/r/ExRedPill10/07/26 11:49 PM
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Wishing you all happiness, brother. I’m from South Asia also.
/r/ExRedPill09/07/26 01:47 AM
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Thanks for your kind words. Disclaimer: I’m an older man with a moderately successful life that’s mostly behind me. I’m probably more content than young men (and women) with body image issues who are just starting out. These people are more deserving of your compassion.
/r/ExRedPill08/07/26 02:20 AM
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I feel the same on most days. As a non-white male I know I cannot compete on looks in a world ruled by Euro-centric beauty standards. So how to cope? One way is to think of our physical appearance like the same way we would see a player character in a video game i.e. it is simply a reference for interacting with the world and not our identity.
/r/ExRedPill07/07/26 05:18 PM
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I never claimed it was insecure. I’m saying it’s hypocritical to expect a standard from a partner that you aren’t meeting. But as long as your partner is OK with it, I don’t see a problem.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/26 01:10 AM
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For the record, I support having preferences and standards as long as people can meet the same standard i.e. it’s hypocritical for a man who isn’t a virgin himself to expect his future wife to be a virgin
/r/ExRedPill04/07/26 09:40 PM
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But don’t turn around and call guys insecure or jealous for having their own filters. Everyone has deal-breakers. Pretending body count can’t be one of them while every other preference is fair game is just cope dressed up as enlightenment. Well said. I agree 100%. But I suspect you won’t find many takers in this sub.
/r/ExRedPill04/07/26 06:03 PM
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Glad to see I’m not the only loser in sex and marriage, lol.
/r/ExRedPill01/07/26 11:22 AM
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Then came social media, highly addictive, rotting brains, and spreading false information across the globe. It mercilessly killed the social skills of many young people, but managed to convince everyone it was a necessity. Social media is probably the single most destructive tech deployed in history. Irreparable harm to society
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 06:42 PM
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Insightful points
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 06:29 PM
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True. But masturbation is a thing. No one needs romance or relationship, even if they want it for validation or whatever
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 05:57 PM
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Thanks very much for the links. I still struggle to understand what went wrong with my own attachment issues, despite having a stable well-cared for childhood. Good point about media exploiting the poor mental health of its audience.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 05:53 PM
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All the way to super-hero shows meant for teens, for crying out loud. It’s impossible to watch a Marvel series on Netflix without a random romance or sex scene popping up (I am still annoyed about one of the Agents of Shield episodes having a completely unnecessary sex scene suddenly thrown in).
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 05:47 PM
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Media should stop aggressively pushing romance or the idea that everyone needs a romantic relationship
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 02:55 PM
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Not just western culture. Other cultures just ignore or sweep mental health issues under the rug. But my mental health did go from bad to worse when i moved to the US.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 02:53 PM
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Some do, yes, if they are buying new games and consoles at full price. Or if they are wasting money on subscriptions. But budget gamers who wait to buy games on sale (or borrow games from the local library) and are perfectly happy with last gen consoles don’t spend that much. Especially since the latest gaming hardware offers only diminishing returns for exorbitant prices
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 10:28 AM
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It’s not expensive, lol
/r/ExRedPill29/06/26 12:02 AM
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lack of purpose epidemic This made me laugh
/r/ExRedPill28/06/26 08:24 PM
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Nothing wrong with that
/r/ExRedPill28/06/26 08:23 PM
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You seem similar to me in some ways, except that your suffering has increased your empathy while it has the opposite effect on me. I’m outwardly somewhat “successful” in life but internally I can barely get through the day , let alone have the emotional bandwidth to think of helping others in the same boat i.e. I’m a high-functioning emotional basket-case, lol. I have seen other Studio Ghibli(?) movies, but haven’t seen that one yet. Thanks for offering to listen to my vents.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/26 02:53 PM
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Thanks. Your dad sounds like a great guy. My emotions are fine in the appropriate context. For e.g. showing my goofy side to my loved ones and friends. The problem is most of my emotions are in contexts that only cause me pain. Despairing about this world I’m trapped in. Worrying about millions of irrational things. Living in anger and fear other men. The shame of being a sexual male (I’d rather be asexual). If medical tech was advanced enough to surgically remove my emotions and my sexuality , …
/r/ExRedPill26/06/26 02:45 AM
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I am a very emotional man. Can’t seem to break the habit
/r/ExRedPill25/06/26 10:41 PM
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Sorry, can’t help you there. I don’t understand what exactly love is in this context. I wish you the best.
/r/ExRedPill21/06/26 01:07 AM
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already afraid about not being able to find a man by the time I'm 30 and thus losing my window. Ok, so what? why is not finding a man such a tragedy?
/r/ExRedPill21/06/26 12:35 AM
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Because traditional “values” are misogynistic. It’s not even specific to any religion or culture. Most cultural traditions are rooted in patriarchy and misogyny.
/r/ExRedPill20/06/26 01:09 AM
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The fact that they desperately want to diminish women means that deep down the manosphere believes that women are unattainably better than them. Why else would they spend energy trying to drag women down
/r/ExRedPill03/06/26 10:23 PM
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Agreed. Natural doesn’t mean it’s good or inevitable. This goes for not only obviously bad things like patriarchy or slavery but also for things like sex and relationships which most people have trouble avoiding.
/r/ExRedPill03/06/26 10:19 PM
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Agreed. Seems reasonable. I think whatever men find appealing in a woman is described as feminine and whatever men think women find appealing in a man (whether that’s true or not) is described as masculine
/r/ExRedPill01/06/26 02:43 AM
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couldnt it also be said for the character in the game that they most likely are not going to experience hate, humiliation, bigotry etc? In Skyrim for example, I recall the Stormcloaks treating Dark Elves with bigotry. And the Altmer look down on everybody else. I’m sure that’s not the only game. Anyway, if playing a game on Hard Mode is a point of pride for gamers, why not apply the same attitude to real life. A dwarf character wouldn’t pass up a chance at romance with an elf chick just because …
/r/ExRedPill31/05/26 12:46 PM
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As an older male, I’m going to try suggesting a different perspective. Are you a gamer by any chance? Suppose you start playing a fantasy RPG as, say, a dwarf character. Do you go through the game resenting that your character is short compared to humans or elfs? No, because you have a psychological distance between the character and the player and you still have fun despite the physical shortcomings of your character. So it can be with real life. Our body and identity is simply a role we play d…
/r/ExRedPill31/05/26 03:07 AM
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Excellent post. In other words, RP teaches men to be the apes that we are, instead of transcending it.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/26 05:32 PM
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I don't stop caring about someone just because I stop getting something out of them. Neither do I. But that’s just being a decent person isn’t it? If you define love as wishing others well and a willingness to help if the cost to yourself isn’t high, then I do “love” most mammals on the planet. It’s not any consolation since I have no ability to help anyone in this shithole universe.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/26 01:34 AM
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A distinction without a difference in any marriage. If they weren’t getting something out of it they wouldn’t be marrying. Calling it love doesn’t add any new information
/r/ExRedPill26/05/26 12:59 AM
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What’s wrong with that?
/r/ExRedPill26/05/26 12:52 AM
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Do these people understand that men and women are different, biologically? Women simply do not have the same evolutionary incentive that men do to seek out the opposite sex, due to the high cost of parental investment that women bear. It’s easy for men to want women because sperm is cheap
/r/ExRedPill21/05/26 02:13 AM
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Aren't most men kinda picky? Certainly I am picky. I only find hot women attractive
/r/ExRedPill21/05/26 01:30 AM
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Doesn’t change the fact that masturbation is hassle free and plays out exactly how it is imagined, while sex with someone is nothing but hassle and cannot compare to fantasy
/r/ExRedPill17/05/26 02:15 PM
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Ewww, there’s nothing enjoyable about sex in real life. It’s awkward and performative. Masturbation is better.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/26 09:06 PM
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I agree that explicitly stating that as policy is based on misogyny to some extent. But some men are simply socially not equipped for interacting with women due to the conservative cultures they were raised in. In these cases avoiding interaction is due to shyness/anxiety/shame not misogyny necessarily (though they are products of misogynistic culture) and they don’t go about announcing that as policy. I was like this until my libido fell off a cliff in my old age and I could interact with women…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/26 11:38 AM
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India is patriarchal and conservative like most of the world, so what looks like RP mentality is going to be seen in many men to some extent. Does not necessarily imply conscious misogyny, it’s more the misogyny that’s baked into the culture
/r/ExRedPill08/05/26 03:38 PM
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As the above commenter said, most men are scum to some extent but how much of a scum they are varies a lot. You can try to find the least shitty man who is compatible with you, if you want a relationship. Also, There’s nothing “much easier” about raising a kid. Raising a kid is hard with or without a man. Probably harder without someone to share the work and expenses. If raising a kid is important to you, Please don’t attempt that with delusions of it being easy
/r/ExRedPill04/05/26 02:30 AM
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Since you seem determined to stick to your preconceived notions, what sort of responses are you looking for? I’m not from a culture where dating was a thing, so I honestly have no idea what the reality is for you. But I personally know of short white men at my work who are smart, in high status management positions and are married with kids. Also, how will I know the girl won't just be completely mean in rejecting me, or worse and film the interaction or something? Gimme a break. This isn’t a Ne…
/r/ExRedPill17/04/26 10:15 PM
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Exactly. There is no validation in sleeping with someone who is “easy”. And, by definition most men cannot convince “high value” Stacies to sleep with them. It’s a self-defeating endeavor
/r/ExRedPill14/04/26 12:59 AM
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however, when it comes to human behavior and psychology, this question is actually a very accurate observation that points exactly to the root cause. Good observation. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of individual behavior can be explained by “who hurt you?”. Minor quibble: I don’t think love is relevant in sexual relationships. Even a loveless and mechanical world of dating is not an excuse to be a misogynistic ass.
/r/ExRedPill13/04/26 01:41 AM
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Yes, most people don’t want to leave the familiarity of a toxic relationship.
/r/ExRedPill09/04/26 02:02 AM
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Exactly, most people are shit at relationships and shouldn’t be in one. Something that this sub doesn’t want to admit
/r/ExRedPill07/04/26 11:55 PM
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I agree with almost everything you said, except that I don’t resent women. Especially after my libido (testosterone) fell off a cliff in my fifties, I find it easier to talk to younger women coworkers without awkwardness. I’m married, not because I enjoy it but because it comes with perks like validation and social status. The solution to the male loneliness problem isn't relationships with women, it's relationships with other men (not sexual or romantic). Women don't want us anymore. Their expe…
/r/ExRedPill03/04/26 06:52 PM
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Sure, that would be ideal
/r/ExRedPill03/04/26 06:16 PM
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just put in the work to become a better, more likeable person that people generally feel comfortable around. Or just realize there are better things in life than chasing women
/r/ExRedPill03/04/26 03:08 PM
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Agreed. Even better if they don’t get married in the first place. Marriage leads to resentment for men and women.
/r/ExRedPill03/04/26 01:14 PM
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Yes, i imagine it’s common in most marriages. I suspect that most women don’t realize before getting married that their husband’s sex drive is higher than their own and this mismatch will always be an issue
/r/ExRedPill03/04/26 02:00 AM
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Regarding your previous point, as an older man I have come to the realization that sex with someone isn’t very fun. Hobbies like reading about my interests and playing video games are much more enjoyable. I agree that the sociopathic CEOs have done enormous harm to democracy and egalitarian ideals
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 07:55 PM
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Just my perspective as a fellow male which you are free to disregard. I’m sorry about your anguish. My native culture is conservative where dating wasn’t a thing, so experience like yours are the norm for most men (and women) there including myself. The big difference is we didn’t feel it was unusual since that was the default. This is just speculation but I wonder iif what you are really feeling is FOMO and not psychological/physical deprivation.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 11:11 AM
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I wish more advice was like this. Media needs to stop portraying sexual relationships as mandatory. Not everybody needs one
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 10:54 AM
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Same here till 28. I didn’t feel any lack since masturbation took care of it, so I don’t really understand posts like the OP. Unless it is FOMO
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 10:52 AM
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Unfortunately that is the world we are in for most women today and throughout history. With the exception of pockets such as the western world where women are happily voting away their rights, so it might not last much longer even there.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 10:40 AM
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That’s only part of it. Pregnancy is dangerous to a woman’s life especially in our species of bipedal apes with bigger brains. And there is a limit on the number of kids a woman can birth which further reduces the evolutionary need to desire men.
/r/ExRedPill01/04/26 07:28 PM
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It’s just supply and demand imbalance due to reproductive asymmetry. Women are pickier than men because women bear a greater cost from sexual relationships.
/r/ExRedPill01/04/26 01:41 AM
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Exactly
/r/ExRedPill31/03/26 10:53 AM
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I know an East Asian man who is about your height who married a woman taller than him. So it’s possible. Also, if it’s any consolation, a sexual relationship is like a second job. So, you aren’t missing much.
/r/ExRedPill25/03/26 11:56 PM
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Whether casual or long term, love isn’t a thing.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 11:03 PM
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You don’t mention love That isn’t a real thing in sexual relationships
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 09:16 PM
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Does it matter why she is with you? What do you want out of the date in the first place?
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 05:28 PM
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Opposite sex of what age though? I don’t find women in their early twenties that appealing. 30s minimum
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 10:19 AM
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Exactly.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 10:13 AM
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Women in their 40s are the hottest. They look too young and bland in their early twenties.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 10:12 AM
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We men peak when we are born and it’s all downhill from there, lol.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 02:00 AM
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As an over-55 geezer, I agree with you. But OP’s definition of peak is different
/r/ExRedPill24/03/26 01:58 AM
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I wonder how LLMs will be used for this. Presumably LLM will be even better at manipulation
/r/ExRedPill15/03/26 01:04 PM
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What genuine progress was there in 2010s ? Nothing in particular stands out to me
/r/ExRedPill15/03/26 12:33 PM
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Weren’t these attitudes always there. It’s not like there was a golden age without misogyny that RP brought to an end
/r/ExRedPill15/03/26 02:52 AM
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I don’t doubt that there are many men like this and RP is just an extreme version of patriarchy and conservatism, so it’s a spectrum of shittiness rather than a binary thing. So when I say that RP isn’t mainstream I mean that the cult lingo used by RP isn’t widespread but the attitude is
/r/ExRedPill14/03/26 10:57 PM
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There is no “natural order” of things for human society. And no one in real life talks about red pill. It is mostly an internet phenomenon confined to its echo chamber
/r/ExRedPill14/03/26 12:55 PM
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I’m on the same page. Pregnant women are being legally murdered in the US for the “crime” of miscarriage. Some of the bad futures have already come to pass. The only question is how worse will it get. The only small consolation is that time and entropy will end everything eventually. All good and bad things come to an end. I find it odd that young women are so complacent about this existential threat to their life and freedom, and are so quick to jump into marriage and relationships with men who…
/r/ExRedPill13/03/26 01:38 AM
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If you take the long view, this could cause a population crash which is good for the ecosystem. Unless you think they might enact a Handmaid’s Tale scenario which I’m not sure is practically feasible. The problem should resolve itself in a century
/r/ExRedPill12/03/26 10:58 PM
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Correct. Humans are apes. And each ape species is unique in the context of sexual selection. For example, gibbons are monogamous while bonobos are promiscuous. Chimps are violent while Gorillas are not. Humans have language and walk fully bipedal which other apes do not. We have to be careful while making sexual predictions about one ape species by using another ape species as an example. But evolutionary psychology is still valid when used correctly
/r/ExRedPill05/03/26 11:37 AM
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This. Very often women didn’t have the choice which negates selection
/r/ExRedPill04/03/26 08:19 PM
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Correct
/r/ExRedPill04/03/26 08:18 PM
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And finally humans. “Deceit is the way of the humon “ - Ferengi saying
/r/ExRedPill04/03/26 08:16 PM
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Nice! Betas for the win.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/26 08:15 PM
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This is a critical point that’s often missed in these arguments. Cooperation was key to human tribes dominating the ecosystem.
/r/ExRedPill04/03/26 08:14 PM
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I am not familiar with these genres (haven’t read any mangas actually) but this sounds like a great idea if the main character is believable as a normal girl and not some unrelatable idealized version that anime’s are often guilty of
/r/ExRedPill03/03/26 11:37 AM
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Why does it matter if she is settling? As long as you get what you want from the relationship (whatever it is) why do you care?
/r/ExRedPill02/03/26 11:30 PM
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Women have less biological incentive to feel sexual attraction
/r/ExRedPill02/03/26 10:54 PM
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Sleeping with multiple women is much harder than finding a relationship. You don’t have anything to complain about
/r/ExRedPill02/03/26 10:44 PM
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Regardless of the answer you get on attraction which is subjective, it is a fact that men are much more interested in casual sex than women are (for various reasons).
/r/ExRedPill02/03/26 08:21 PM
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The only male friends I have are those with very similar thinking and interests, which is very rare to find in real life. I can count on one hand the number of close male friends
/r/ExRedPill02/03/26 02:20 AM
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first I do have to admit that one aspect is validation I can relate. That’s the reason I got married and I can tell you that it’s not much fun. I just don't believe it's even possible for women to feel attraction or love towards me. Again I can relate cause completely I just think that if I really was "good enough" there would be at least some women that would be interested in me. It’s easy to think this way, but what attracts women is not a reflection on your worth. Since I don't really have fa…
/r/ExRedPill19/02/26 01:32 AM
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You seem to have a good attitude in general. You could introspect on what a romantic relationship means to you. Why exactly do you want one? If you did get a girlfriend how would your daily life change?
/r/ExRedPill17/02/26 12:56 AM
3

You don’t need to be rich, but you must be able to support yourself financially. That’s why I suggested you focus on your career plans instead of worrying about women
/r/ExRedPill15/02/26 01:22 PM
8

Someone here mentioned that you are only 17. If that’s true and you are in high school, may I suggest to focus on your future career and not obsess about relationships? There will be plenty of time to seek women later after you have settled on your future path. It’s pointless to obsess about this stuff at your age. I say this with kindness and good intentions about your well-being and success. This is the same advice I would give my son (if I had a son)
/r/ExRedPill15/02/26 12:41 AM
-1

I’m from an arranged-marriage culture too. But western relationships aren’t any less toxic than our own, going by all the manosphere drama and divorce. Cultures differ in how much divorce is stigmatized but not in the level of dysfunction. More than one occasion while waiting in the doctor’s office or pharmacy, I couldn’t help overhear argument among white couples that sounded every bit as toxic as mine. And I know many places emphasize same-sex friendships where men and women really don’t inter…
/r/ExRedPill14/02/26 07:38 PM
-1

Ofcourse. In any case I’m incapable of healthy sexual relationship. And I suspect most people are.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 09:01 PM
2

Hopefully it will lead to further decline in birth rates and less stress on the biosphere.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 07:42 PM
1

Maybe sexless men will emigrate to Mars
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 05:24 PM
0

There are no right reasons for marriage. Most women are worse off being married while most men benefit. It is at best a zero sum game
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:26 PM
1

No I didn’t mean they get married quickly. What I meant is I don’t see anything like a 4B movement
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 02:50 PM
3

“Warning. You are entering the Male Containment Zone. Proceed at your own risk. Access restricted to Matriarchs” :-)
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 02:47 PM
3

handful of horrible people could add a few more dollars to their corpulant bank balance. “We do not cause the destruction, Captain Carter. We… manage it… feed off it“ - the Thern in John Carter of Mars
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 02:42 PM
3

Yes. But that could be your bubble that’s infected by algorithms pushing such content.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 02:37 PM
1

The latter mostly. If I got a chance to redo my life again, I would not get married since marriage is a negative sum game. To be clear my wife is a wonderful beautiful woman who takes great care of me physically and I don’t really deserve her. I got married purely for the validation. While both our lives are undeniably physically and economically better because of marriage, our mental health is definitely worse because of it.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 01:06 PM
1

That makes sense
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 12:38 PM
2

All these attitudes have been part of mainstream culture since forever. It’s not like civilization was a progressive paradise that got ruined after RP appeared. As long as men dominate a culture, things will always be bad. Young women are widely viewed by young men and boys are transactional hypocrites who only care about height and money Maybe Women should just double down on this false stereotype so these men will leave them alone? Sounds like a win-win. It is now common to shame women for the…
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 12:35 PM
2

Might be cultural. I only see westerners say this, not anyone from other cultures Edit: in my mind best friend is like an adopted sibling. Hence the dissonance. No offense
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 12:11 PM
2

That’s possible. RP overlaps with existing misogynistic cultures in many places, so the two are often indistinguishable. It is just an excuse to abuse women and strip them of human rights, often aided and abetted by other women
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 12:09 PM
5

Excellent observations
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:27 AM
-1

But how many bad relationships does one have to wade through to find a good one? Are the good relationships worth all the bad ones?
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:24 AM
-3

Never heard anyone I know mention this stuff. Not once. I think you feel it’s more prevalent than it is because of social media bubbles and algorithms maybe
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:20 AM
-1

Something like 30% of people never marry That high, huh? Well, good for them. A good partner is basically a best friend you’re probably intimate with too. I don’t get how “best friend” and “intimate” can be the same person. But good for you.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:17 AM
2

These are all college educated women in their mid/late twenties with good jobs. So definitely not for the money. So i guess that leaves love or something like that as the explanation?
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:10 AM
4

Terribly sorry to hear about your husband’s accident. Looks like he is in good hands with you. Wish you both the best. My response to him was to tell him that HE is my home. Wherever he is, thats where I feel safe and like I can handle the hardships of the world. He worked to create that safety for both of us in the 21 years we were married before the accident. I don’t think my wife would describe me in such gushing terms, lol. I think everyone should ask themselves 2 questions when it comes to …
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:07 AM
1

things are even harder right now with the rollback in women's rights and bodily autonomy and thats bound to have massive impacts on dating and marriage. That’s why I’m baffled that more women aren’t leery of getting in relationships.
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 04:01 AM
1

Basically, is being in a relationship with that person over there better than being single Why would it ever be? What can anyone offer that’s better than not having to deal with a partner? This goes for men and women
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 02:17 AM
2

I agree with this sentiment, although I see a lot of young women (in my immigrant community and also white women) jumping into marriage. So I’m not convinced that this is a large scale trend like you are making it to be. And no one outside Reddit has heard of RP, so it’s not exactly mainstream
/r/ExRedPill13/02/26 01:49 AM
6

Please focus on your mental and physical wellbeing and stop worrying about what men think of you. For most women (and men) the best years of their lives are in their forties and fifties. And personally I think women in their forties and fifties look the hottest
/r/ExRedPill12/02/26 02:50 AM
1

Agreed
/r/ExRedPill10/02/26 03:26 AM
3

Can I be anti-redpill (such as anti “hyper gamy, CHAD, etc.) and still prefer a woman with a low body count? Why are you asking strangers on the internet permission to choose your values? Who is stopping you from being non-misogynistic and having whatever preferences you have for dating?
/r/ExRedPill10/02/26 03:17 AM
1

Good on you for being self aware. But don’t be too hard on yourself. We men are hardwired to subconsciously or consciously make everything we strive for revolve around validation from women. We can’t completely undo that programming but we can acknowledge it and make enlightened choices
/r/ExRedPill05/02/26 11:19 PM
2

This hits way too close to home, fellow OCD sufferer. I wish I could have my amygdala removed surgically
/r/ExRedPill03/02/26 11:44 AM
3

Exactly. AI is a marketing term. LLMs are glorified auto-complete that are hyped into something they are not. So annoying to see the claims of LLMs becoming AGI any day now.
/r/ExRedPill31/01/26 12:59 PM
0

I was just trying to be funny. I prioritize looks, but we already had that conversation.
/r/ExRedPill30/01/26 11:28 AM
-1

Look. Looks. LOOKS
/r/ExRedPill29/01/26 10:44 PM
1

I have no problem admitting my shortcomings. Owning up to them is easier than fixing them
/r/ExRedPill28/01/26 04:03 PM
0

You seem more mature and enlightened than me. I wish you the best. Personally I don’t really understand the point of a relationship. So it could just be me
/r/ExRedPill28/01/26 02:42 PM
0

Says who? You are arguing that your personal preferences are universal truth. Maybe looks don’t matter for you. But for shallow people like me it definitely does. What other motivation do I have to put up with a partner
/r/ExRedPill28/01/26 11:24 AM
1

I genuinely don’t understand why she is considered hot. Just can’t see it
/r/ExRedPill27/01/26 11:37 PM
1

Yes, it matters a LOT. Yes, I’m superficial. Sexual relationships are superficial. So what?
/r/ExRedPill27/01/26 11:35 PM
1

We don't know I realize this is a tangent, but freewill isn’t a meaningful concept, so it definitely doesn’t exist. But I agree that we have no choice but to act as if it does
/r/ExRedPill10/01/26 05:55 PM
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because I think even if love happens for shallow reasons we might not experience it as shallow because it's a strong emotion, if that makes sense. No it doesn’t make sense. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. I think you are conflating proximate and ultimate explanations. Evo psych explains the biological reason behind an emotion but that doesn’t make the emotion any less real. For e.g. A parent’s love for their child isn’t shallow or any less real just because the “shallow” evolutionary reason b…
/r/ExRedPill10/01/26 12:03 PM
0

I’m not sure if this is true in reality, but one prediction is that women are incentivized to slut-shame other women because a woman who is too “easy” is diluting their bargaining position for a desirable man to commit to them. Atleast that’s what I recall reading, but I don’t have a handy source to cite.
/r/ExRedPill10/01/26 02:18 AM
2

Interesting comment for this sub, but you are correct. Women also bear a complex group of insecurities rooted to their mating strategy and competition with other females. Yes, there are predictions from evo psych on this, but it isn’t well-received in this sub.
/r/ExRedPill09/01/26 05:22 PM
2

I could use some muscles :-)
/r/ExRedPill09/01/26 05:18 PM
1

Ah, I see. Now that you mention it, I do know of examples of Indian men whose wives are not white or Indian, but it did not occur to me to include them in my original comment. Huh. Perhaps this exposes my own bias and I do deserve to be mocked. Thanks for pointing that out. You are absolutely correct
/r/ExRedPill09/01/26 11:38 AM
1

I was referring to Indian American men I know personally whose wives are either Indian or white. I wasn’t implying that’s the only types of women. But if it makes you feel better to mock me, go ahead.
/r/ExRedPill08/01/26 01:31 PM
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This. The title of OP’s post is fine as far as it goes i.e. the Venn Diagram of manosphere might lie within the circle of all men who are interested in history/politics. But I think they get confused half way through and falsely assume that every man who is interested in history/politics is part of the manosphere which is just silly.
/r/ExRedPill05/01/26 05:49 PM
2

My wife was surprised at my honesty early in our marriage and amused at my shallowness. For e.g. in Sound of Music I was rooting for the glamorous baroness instead of Maria, lol.
/r/ExRedPill03/01/26 11:14 AM
1

As a man who checks out women all the time it would be hypocritical if I complained
/r/ExRedPill31/12/25 03:57 AM
2

Same. At least with celebrities on screen. Occasionally in real life
/r/ExRedPill31/12/25 03:55 AM
2

Not sure why you were downvoted, lol. It’s not like men don’t look at other women
/r/ExRedPill31/12/25 03:45 AM
1

Yes, I’m from South Asia and I’ve heard this sentiment. My perception is that most people aren’t attractive but there are more attractive women than attractive men.
/r/ExRedPill17/12/25 12:07 PM
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What makes ugly people uniquely productive? That makes no sense
/r/ExRedPill16/12/25 11:17 PM
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Well said
/r/ExRedPill16/12/25 11:14 PM
5

Really happy you are getting to a better headspace, bro. Best wishes
/r/ExRedPill09/12/25 08:39 PM
9

If you are that scared of cheating why even get into a relationship? What’s the point anyway?
/r/ExRedPill27/11/25 03:39 PM
0

It’s not some huge tragedy like the OP is portraying
/r/ExRedPill27/11/25 01:31 PM
2

I actually do care. I want women to flourish and be safe, even if I do not feel romantic “love” or whatever nonsense this sub preaches. But it’s obvious that most of my fellow men are the opposite, they claim to “love” women while doing everything they can to take away women’s rights. Talk about hypocrisy. Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant.
/r/ExRedPill27/11/25 01:27 PM
3

Ah, I see, thanks. That’s a reasonable attitude. If that’s what the OP was trying to say, I don’t disagree
/r/ExRedPill27/11/25 01:19 PM
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Most men would die for their partner. Gimme a break, dude. lol, where are you pulling this bullshit from? Hollywood movies?
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 11:43 PM
-1

Now you are just spouting gibberish
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 11:34 PM
4

Oh sorry, I thought you were talking in a different context (I didn’t see the comment you were replying to on mobile). Yes that was a personal comment to make a point to OP that shallow men exist, so statements such as “the way men love women” are silly and not universal. BTW, you can tell me to speak only for myself but real world events demonstrate clearly that men couldn’t care less about women’s well-being
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 11:33 PM
0

Agreed
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 11:24 PM
-1

You aren’t making any sense. A cursory look at the history of atrocities proves my point
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 06:41 PM
2

Why make it personal? Just look at the data on violent crime throughout history.
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 06:40 PM
0

I’m sure most men love women who are related to them by blood (sisters, mothers, daughters, nieces). But extending this to claim that they also love their romantic partners or women in general is a stretch
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 05:51 PM
0

Sorry, i have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you denying that the most violent crimes are committed mostly by men?
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 05:48 PM
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obviously men are generally good That’s a bit of a stretch. I agree not all men are terrible and hopefully I’m one of the not-terrible men. But I wouldn’t describe my gender as generally good
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 12:31 PM
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Im starting to believe women do not genuinely love men the same as men love women Of all your delusions this one is the most puzzling. What makes you think “men love women” ? How can anyone claim this with a straight face after seeing all the atrocities men inflict on women? Shall I list everything men have done and continue to do to women? I’m an extremely shallow man whose only interest in a partner is her looks. I don’t understand “romantic love”. So why pretend that shallow men don’t exist?
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 12:28 PM
-1

Ok, what is the intended takeaway? Genuine question.
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 12:18 PM
0

Lol
/r/ExRedPill26/11/25 01:41 AM
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Is the moral of this fairytale that a woman will leave if she isn’t showered with unconditional love? OK, so what?
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 09:24 PM
0

Is there any reason why you wouldn't accept this as the truth and you feel like women have to be manipulated into it? Because sex work wouldn’t exist otherwise. Supply of women who are eager to have sex is much less than the demand from men. Hence poor unwilling women need to be paid for it.
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 05:55 PM
1

You are the expert in this area, not me. From my male perspective what you call connection simply looks like a sophisticated way of manipulating women into sex. If I’m mistaken that just shows your perspective is alien to me.
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 05:02 PM
1

I don’t have the mindset or personality or looks for that, which is why I’m glad I wasn’t born in a culture where that’s expected. Although I suspect you are underplaying the difficulty given the differences between male and female sexuality. But i won’t argue about that since I have argued enough in this sub
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 04:09 PM
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I’m relieved I wasn’t born in the west where casual sex seems to be a larger part of the culture. I would never be able to convince a woman to give it a shot.
/r/ExRedPill25/11/25 02:38 PM
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I’m Indian American and I have never heard anyone claim this. Where are you encountering this? Maybe you should avoid these places.
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 01:37 AM
0

You have the spirit of a scientist :-) Yes, I am fascinated by human evolution and civilization. I’m just not interested in people as individuals, only as a group of animals to be studied. Yes, I love drama in fiction/media (you got me there) but these are fictional characters written to be interesting in ways real people are not, which is my point
/r/ExRedPill16/11/25 01:10 AM
0

As someone who experiences severe mental distress, i wish you tranquility. Btw, what if it isn’t so much the fear of rejection but just that most people seem boring without conmon interests (I’m sure i am utterly boring and insufferable to them). People aren’t very interesting
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 12:21 PM
1

It just feels like there's no one that actually clicks enough for me to consider them a close friend This isn’t uncommon for introverts with niche interests. As a man in my fifties I can count on one hand the number of friends I have had in my life who were close enough to vent with. Maybe the odds can be improved by seeking out friends with similar interests , but I’m not sure what avenue is best for that
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 12:15 PM
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In that case, you better figure it out BEFORE you have a family. And my point still stands. Is having a family actually your goal or something that you think you need to do to satisfy your parents? Be sure that the goals you pursue are truly your own.
/r/ExRedPill08/11/25 12:13 AM
1

Most people (men and women) don’t really know why they seek relationships. It’s something they have been told they need to do, so they do it. This is true for me and my wife. And it sounds like it’s true in your case also.
/r/ExRedPill06/11/25 11:58 PM
4

That’s fine in theory. There’s no way to verify any of the relationship posts though. Reddit has a lot of Larpers
/r/ExRedPill30/10/25 05:06 AM
5

no group of people have been brainwashed to be romantic about relationships (and therefore men) as much as white women! Well, romance is mostly a western invention that’s glorified by Hollywood and copied by Bollywood.
/r/ExRedPill27/10/25 07:49 PM
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Depends on what their life goals are. If a woman wants to raise a family, it is completely rational to want a partner who can financially support the family along with her. A woman who wants to be child free may not care as much. So it depends on your life goals and hers
/r/ExRedPill25/10/25 03:04 AM
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It's all only very sad and sickening as I said before. Is it more sad and sickening than relationships between men and women? Be honest. I didn’t understand the rest of your rant though. Anyway, cheers.
/r/ExRedPill24/10/25 02:31 AM
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It's sickening... The very thought turns my stomach. Why? Given everything men have done to women over the ages and continue to do, and given that most people aren’t fit for relationships, isn’t it better for men to program their own fantasies with appliances and leave women alone? We didn't evolve to mate and bond with our creations, but to each other. And look where that got us. A planet with 7 billion apes and the ecosystem on the edge of collapse
/r/ExRedPill24/10/25 01:00 AM
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Really good post. What you wrote makes perfect rational sense. Unfortunately, I don’t think many men are rational especially when their testosterone level is high.
/r/ExRedPill22/10/25 01:47 AM
5

I don't want to be single while most of the people can easily meet with the opposite sex and get into relationships with them. So this is primarily driven by FOMO. Are you afraid of missing out on validation or the sex?
/r/ExRedPill14/10/25 10:16 PM
2

Also, I can’t resist the urge of neediness. For instance, when that urge comes, I can’t resist texting her needily. What exactly does this urge feel like? Is it need for sex? Cuddling? Conversation? This makes sense but how can I be outcome independent on this kind of an important humane thing? Again. What does this “important human thing” mean to you? You dated for a year and a half. What was your daily interaction with her? What did you get out of it? How can I accept that I might be single fo…
/r/ExRedPill14/10/25 07:03 PM
2

Any thoughts on the contrast between these two ideas? The ancient stoics had the most pragmatic advice: Focus only on the things you can control, no matter how bad the situation is (paraphrasing the modern stoic sage Admiral Stockdale). I admit this can feel unsatisfying because it’s human nature to worry about all the terrible things happening in the world that we have no control over. It can feel callous or apathetic not to worry. But the idea is to protect our mental health while not feeling …
/r/ExRedPill13/10/25 01:49 PM
1

It’s an unfortunate knee-jerk reaction. It’s the equivalent of denying evolution because social Darwinism was used as an excuse for reprehensible ideologies. This sub needs more nuance
/r/ExRedPill12/10/25 08:24 PM
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Good rule of thumb is to avoid watching anything which increases your anger, regardless of whether you think the anger is justified or not. This is not even from a moralistic viewpoint but for your own health. Anger isn’t good for mental and physical health. Edit: from my personal experience anger is addictive. Once the reward system is hooked on anger it’s hard to break out of it. Obligatory Star Wars quote: “Fear, anger, hatred. The dark side of the Force these are… forever they will dominate …
/r/ExRedPill12/10/25 03:45 PM
1

Agreed, that’s not falsifiable and not science. But there are a small set of falsifiable hypotheses in evo psych that yield interesting insight. And by that standard, most psychology studies aren’t scientific either, for the same reason that most historical studies aren’t science.
/r/ExRedPill11/10/25 09:15 PM
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This seems an accurate summary. Not sure why you are downvoted
/r/ExRedPill11/10/25 07:42 PM
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esponse, Kropotkin, an anarchist, wrote a book arguing that the most successful animals cooperate with each other. I feel this is closer to the truth than framing everything as conflict (which I find annoying)
/r/ExRedPill11/10/25 07:40 PM
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Our greatest strength is our ability to cooperate, work together, and generally be social. Well said I actually find evolutionary psychology fascinating but it often crosses the line to pseudoscience. Agreed, I feel the same
/r/ExRedPill11/10/25 07:36 PM
-2

evolutionary psychology (a widely discredited and pseudo-scientific field) Hard disagree. While it’s often misused by pseudoscientific laymen with an ideological axe to grind, the field itself is scientific i.e. in the sense that falsifiable predictions can be made. Which is more than can be said of classic psychology. And downvoting me will not change the definition of science.
/r/ExRedPill11/10/25 07:07 PM
2

Ok, what “fact” are you claiming exactly? The study below from Brookings Institute shows in western countries happiness bottoms out in mid 40s and increases after that. So you are partly correct that happiness does fall initially , but then it rises. But this is true for men and women, so there’s no gender difference in this phenomenon that I’m aware of. If you claim that there is a gender difference then provide the study that shows that. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/is-happiness-just-a-m…
/r/ExRedPill25/09/25 03:17 AM
2

You were never “in the redpill” Correct you think you were No, I don’t. I never claim to be RP. I just lurk in this sub for social interaction and occasionally argue with people. Men are typically happier because statistically most men don’t reach financial success until later in life Correct. This is also true for women. Once they get older the attention faded away men don’t approach them as much This is probably true. But isn’t this a good thing? Most male attention is unwelcome or downright d…
/r/ExRedPill24/09/25 01:08 PM
2

I didn't say anything about women with kids or without kids? So I don't understand why you are bringing that up. Older women are supposedly happier than younger women which seems plausible because as an older man I am happier now than in my youth.
/r/ExRedPill23/09/25 10:41 PM
1

Interesting point
/r/ExRedPill22/09/25 10:34 AM
2

what attributes tend to be selected within arranged marriages. Earning potential
/r/ExRedPill17/09/25 10:44 PM
1

Ah, I see. Thanks
/r/ExRedPill17/09/25 12:00 AM
3

Thanks. The blurbs I’ve seen in the directory listing are all about the service they provide and nothing about their values. Maybe I should look for their personal websites as you said
/r/ExRedPill16/09/25 10:27 AM
3

Yeah, similar to weight loss. Takes a long time to see the effects
/r/ExRedPill15/09/25 10:53 PM
1

Exactly. And it’s hassle free. I don’t understand men who whine about not having access to women
/r/ExRedPill14/09/25 08:44 PM
2

Caroline Paul who was a badass fire fighter among other things, says that women are happiest in their sixties. Not in their twenties or thirties.
/r/ExRedPill14/09/25 08:36 PM
4

A man can easily take care of his own urges without involving anyone.
/r/ExRedPill13/09/25 02:28 AM
2

Men aren’t as rational as women in these matters, unfortunately. We don’t have convenient binary light switches. More like slider light dimmer switches, lol
/r/ExRedPill12/09/25 06:00 PM
3

That’s true. But too much of this thinking is based on fear of dying alone. Which is a valid fear but there’s something wrong about determining one’s entire life based on fear of the last years. There’s a 50% chance one partner is going to be the other’s caregiver or is going to be alone anyway after their partner dies. What’s the point in constraining one’s life for a 50% chance of a beneficial outcome
/r/ExRedPill12/09/25 05:58 PM
3

Nice mindset. Wish there is a robust way to internalize this
/r/ExRedPill12/09/25 05:54 PM
-1

This
/r/ExRedPill12/09/25 05:53 PM
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I think it is simple jealousy. It comes from a scarcity mindset. Being in a relationship means they aren’t viable candidates for OP’s fantasies, even if chances of hitting it off otherwise are small. It’s the difference between 99% non-viable and 100% non-viable. Atleast that’s my guess of what OP is feeling
/r/ExRedPill12/09/25 05:52 PM
11

This idea that people need a significant other to be fulfilled needs to end. Too much unhappiness caused by outdated thinking
/r/ExRedPill10/09/25 02:31 PM
7

I sympathize that you want the best for your kid, but I think you are worrying about the wrong things. RP is a fringe movement and the chances of her running into them in real life is slim. There are plenty of regular risks for women, of course. But as long as she is economically independent and has a solid circle of friends/siblings for support, she should be OK, regardless of whether she meets the right guy
/r/ExRedPill10/09/25 05:49 AM
2

Exactly
/r/ExRedPill10/09/25 05:43 AM
-2

It does look that way. I can’t imagine a rational reason why someone as rich and beautiful as Taylor Swift would otherwise bother getting married. It can’t be for money or status since she already has loads of that. It must be something irrational, lol
/r/ExRedPill29/08/25 11:34 AM
1

:-)
/r/ExRedPill29/08/25 11:06 AM
1

No, I’m in my fifties and married.
/r/ExRedPill29/08/25 12:56 AM
2

60-year old boring married men think that's insane and impossible. I feel called out (even if I’m not yet 60)
/r/ExRedPill28/08/25 08:54 PM
6

Taylor Swift seems like a great person and I wish her the best. Not sure what point you are trying to make though
/r/ExRedPill28/08/25 04:06 PM
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but feels like they are few and far between The young white men that I work with are all married and I’d say they are more like Aragon in personality than Bond. I honestly don’t think such women are rare even if I don’t know anything about western women
/r/ExRedPill21/08/25 10:15 PM
1

Why aren't people asking me for advice?! Yes please provide :-)
/r/ExRedPill21/08/25 06:43 PM
5

Would you rather be with the kind of women who are attracted to Aragon or James Bond ?
/r/ExRedPill21/08/25 06:42 PM
1

And of course we're chained by biology to an extent, because we can't violate the laws of nature That was my overall point You can't say that everyone who had children "couldn't control their breeding instincts" though -- many, many people had kids because they wanted and planned for them. Yes agreed, but the fact is they still wanted and planned for them. The details are different from other animals but natural selection and sexual selection continues especially since many women can now choose …
/r/ExRedPill20/08/25 10:53 PM
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My point is we are constrained by physical limitations and natural selection just as much as animals are. Even if our mentality is more sophisticated we are not free. People who voluntarily don’t breed select themselves out of the gene pool (good for them) but this only means that the world would be populated by people who couldn’t control their breeding instincts. Natural selection curtails our freedom and happiness. We are chained by biology as a species even if not at the individual level
/r/ExRedPill20/08/25 05:56 PM
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we obviously also have far more agency than animals, In principle, but seeing that most people end up pursuing the same things (food, territory and mates) it’s hard to see what good this supposed extra agency does for us. We have instincts, but we also have the ability to ignore them. Yes we are the only animals who can even try to go against instinct. Not that we are good at it but it’s a start on the path to transcending our ape nature
/r/ExRedPill20/08/25 03:37 PM
2

Happy to come across a fellow optimistic nihilist! we live on a little longer than them in the people who knew us and sometimes loved us Now you are making me tear up …
/r/ExRedPill20/08/25 03:31 PM
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Sorry, I was being flippant and I admit my statement was too broad to be useful. I was trying to say that our fate isn’t different from any other animal. We eat, breed and die. How and when we do it as individuals doesn’t change our destiny as a species. But I agree that’s not relevant to the thread.
/r/ExRedPill20/08/25 10:30 AM
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I meant that we are still driven to seek food and sex like animals. The details are irrelevant
/r/ExRedPill19/08/25 06:30 PM
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But we still eat and mate like animals
/r/ExRedPill19/08/25 05:53 PM
-1

Nice :-)
/r/ExRedPill19/08/25 02:58 PM
-6

People are wild animals too
/r/ExRedPill19/08/25 02:13 PM
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You also have to factor in chopped ugly women diluting the gene pool. Genetics aren't just 1 person. If you weren't so low iq, you'd get that But according to your logic, aren’t these ugly women also descended from Chads? So why do ugly women even exist after thousands of generations of Chad-like male ancestors. Yes, genetics is not just one person. This applies to their mothers too. I’m surprised a high-IQ person like yourself doesn’t get that. Men nowadays are taller and better looking. Maybe,…
/r/ExRedPill19/08/25 10:53 AM
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Why not? If Chads have been exclusively breeding with women for thousands of generations we would expect most men to look like Chads. That’s how sexual selection works. The peacock tail is an example (the tail basically makes a male peacock look like a Chad to the female peacock). The fact that all or even most men don’t look like Chad stereotypes implies that Chads aren’t more successful at mating compared to other men
/r/ExRedPill18/08/25 04:58 PM
3

That’s good. A social change in the correct direction. Marriage needs to stop being a default and something that should happen only if the people involved understand what they are getting into and still want it.
/r/ExRedPill16/08/25 06:05 PM
5

Good for you. It’s funny how people post here demanding explanations for random “statistics” from the manosphere spaces that aren’t exactly paragons of scientific truth
/r/ExRedPill16/08/25 06:02 PM
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What is the source for this ? Made up “statistics” don’t require explanations
/r/ExRedPill16/08/25 01:55 PM
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why fewer and fewer single women are interested in marriage or even dating. I keep seeing this claim on reddit but anecdotally so many young women I know personally (non-white and white) have pursued marriage.
/r/ExRedPill16/08/25 01:59 AM
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you might have to slow down a little and think why that is It is for that sweet sweet validation that drives male mating behavior
/r/ExRedPill15/08/25 07:51 PM
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Why do women divorce more than men Why does it matter?
/r/ExRedPill14/08/25 10:33 PM
15

Can confirm
/r/ExRedPill14/08/25 10:31 PM
2

If that organic connection development can be offered as a service, that company could be very successful
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 09:45 PM
13

What does inherent value even mean?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 09:09 PM
1

The whole business model is arguably predatory. Looks like it, yes. Would a different monetizing scheme align incentives better? What about a large one time fee paid by men instead of payment tied to engagement constant engagement. I like them because they give you a chance to write a lot about yourself and be specific about what you're looking for, I am suggesting updating this with video and VR technology. It will filter out the low-effort PUAs so the membership fee would have to be high to ma…
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 12:31 PM
2

I’m surprised that VR technology hasn’t been exploited for OLD. A way to assess someone’s personality and body language without risk for the woman. There is more than enough bandwidth to implement this today
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 12:06 PM
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It's basically impossible without meeting in person. Vlogging would convey personality much better than text though. I’m surprised it’s not a bigger part of OLD. Or even VR. Seems like OLD is stuck in year 2000.
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 12:03 PM
5

Interesting. Sounds like a great premise for a romcom
/r/ExRedPill10/08/25 12:36 AM
2

I read here that most men don’t bother filling that. Something that explicitly makes personality showcasing as the primary mechanism was what I’m suggesting . Not an afterthought
/r/ExRedPill09/08/25 06:11 PM
1

I agree.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/25 04:40 PM
1

I see what you mean. The game theory aspect does make a certain sense. Although I suspect it’s not a universal rule for everyone like you are making it out to be. The idea that everyone HAS to try out relationships or face guaranteed regret seems toxic and is what got us pathologies like the manosphere. Hopefully once we have the tech to edit our own neurology we can improve ourselves to transcend the need for these messy pursuits and become a Neitzchean Ubermensch
/r/ExRedPill07/08/25 02:21 PM
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You could live a very isolated life and not endure any of that risk, but on your death bed, I'll guarantee you'll regret it. Sure, but the alternative path might have even more regret if it turns out to be net negative.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/25 01:51 PM
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have had their hearts broken, have been in toxic relationships, have gone through difficult divorces and horrible cheating, So? Why is this such a tragedy? Compared to the horrors in history or being forced to give birth even if it means an agonizing death (which is happening to some American women) the stuff you listed doesn’t even make the runner up of the worst things that can happen. Just move on to the next relationship if it’s that bad.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/25 11:24 AM
1

Nothing is stopping you from getting a pony, lol
/r/ExRedPill07/08/25 10:51 AM
5

I assume it is a western thing where there are so many shows promoting romance between very young people. Edit: to be honest I see the same thing in anime, but interestingly not as much of that in Indian cinema where main characters tend to be closer to 30
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 10:52 AM
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They are hoping to find someone who is poor and desperate enough. It’s not complicated
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 10:49 AM
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That made me chuckle too. These posters are barely adults and talking like they are old men.
/r/ExRedPill06/08/25 10:29 AM
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She wasn’t laughing at you, bro. She was laughing WITH you. I am in the exact same situation and when I got married (decades ago) my wife used to joke about my flaccid dimension by calling it “shrinky” which I found hilarious. It was never mean-spirited, just an observation about how funny it is. Yes, I know we men fantasize about being footlong Chads, but it’s not a big deal. Edit: if the sex is good you are doing way better than I did.
/r/ExRedPill05/08/25 10:44 PM
2

I think she wasn't laughing AT your body but trying to share a moment of levity with you. This
/r/ExRedPill05/08/25 10:29 PM
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I think the other commenter is saying that women who are into your mental qualities will also be into you physically because of those qualities. Why wouldn’t that scenario be appealing to you? That sounds like the best of both worlds, almost like a romcom. Although I have no idea how likely such a scenario is , since I know nothing about women. But it seems worth seeking? What you are desiring sounds like a porn fantasy, lol.
/r/ExRedPill03/08/25 11:51 PM
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If you can't believe a woman can be attracted to you Why would most people (men or women) believe that? Most people don’t have people throwing themselves at them
/r/ExRedPill03/08/25 11:38 PM
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The young Indian American men I personally know had no trouble attracting and marrying women (Indian or white). While the struggle is real, winning is definitely possible. Don’t give up.
/r/ExRedPill03/08/25 10:48 PM
1

I think you are exaggerating the potential influence I have. How are my claims making it worse for others? Can you give a hypothetical scenario? I am simply making observations about the world from my POV. No one is obliged to listen to me. Edit: if it is so obvious that you are correct it should be a simple matter to get the mods to agree with you and ban me, correct? So why haven’t you done so? Edit2: you are what you do, not what you think or feel, and anyone can do the right thing. Finally s…
/r/ExRedPill03/08/25 12:30 AM
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you literally admitted you see others more as cardboard cut-outs than full humans. Your inability to empathize with women is one sign, but that's a far bigger one Cardboard cutouts? I don’t recall using those exact words. I said I see people as apes which is literally true. I feel the same compassion and empathy for people that I do for any animal. I hate seeing suffering in animals or people. Always have. I hate the horrendous cruelty that is factory farming. I do not hate the people who perpet…
/r/ExRedPill02/08/25 10:07 PM
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But I think empathy is a core component of love--particularly but not exclusively romantic love--for most people. It's a little hard to explain why, but if you don't understand someone else's feelings, what even is there to love about them? This says more about you than about me. Have you never loved pets? If so, are you that tuned to what they are feeling? Pets aren't even the same species, so you can never be sure what they are feeling even in principle, but that doesn't stop people from lovin…
/r/ExRedPill02/08/25 06:54 PM
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Why can you not accept that other people may genuinely experience things you don't? I do concede this. That’s why I added an edit to my comment. I don’t want to dissuade OP from relationships if that will genuinely make him happy. I was trying to balance a practical perspective that frames relationships in a mundane way to avoid jealousy that OP feels at happy couples, while leaving the door open for a relationship when it happens. You KNOW you have a problem with empathy. No I don’t? What’s emp…
/r/ExRedPill02/08/25 01:43 PM
1

A relationship is like just another job. Are you jealous of people with jobs? Consider two actors playing the role of a romantic couple. Are you jealous of them? A relationship is no different. Just two people role playing. Edit: not trying to discourage you from relationships if that’s what your want, but it isn’t anything to be jealous about. Besides, 21 is far too young to be worrying about that. Focus on building a great life for yourself first
/r/ExRedPill01/08/25 09:29 PM
2

Ohhhh… I see. Thanks for explaining that, lol. I completely misunderstood that
/r/ExRedPill29/07/25 06:38 PM
1

Yeah that’s what I thought happened and I was expressing sympathy at the ordeal. I am confused why that got me accused of being racist.
/r/ExRedPill29/07/25 04:06 PM
1

What are you talking about? I have a high regard for Asians in general . Why would you think otherwise? Edit: Did I misunderstand your story?
/r/ExRedPill29/07/25 01:53 PM
2

That’s insane. Glad you are safe
/r/ExRedPill29/07/25 02:34 AM
2

i hold a belief that majority of men are useless Useless to whom? Most people are useless to me. Why should they care? I’m useless to most people on the planet. Why should I care? only top %ile of men are worth living. Hold it right there. Why is a man’s worth based on whether women are attracted to him? Isaac Newton was one of the foremost scientific minds in history. And he was a virgin throughout his life. He achieved far far more than most men will and he will be remembered far more than som…
/r/ExRedPill29/07/25 02:25 AM
2

This. My undergrad in South Asia was nothing like the fantasy of what American college is supposed to be like
/r/ExRedPill24/07/25 06:11 PM
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You are very wise for someone who is just 24. I’m more than twice your age and I’m not half as wise. I agree with all your points about FOMO though it took me a lot longer to internalize it and I’m not fully there yet
/r/ExRedPill24/07/25 06:10 PM
1

I see, thanks.
/r/ExRedPill24/07/25 05:55 PM
2

She is the boss in the relationship, I’m just along for the ride. When she is unhappy she makes it obvious. Marriage is just like a second job. Happy women don't leave. Why is there so much anxiety/effort on Reddit about women leaving? If she wants to leave she should. No man should be begging his wife to stay if she doesn’t want to
/r/ExRedPill23/07/25 10:51 AM
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Do you enjoy seeing her happy? Yes, of course. If for no other reason that there is less conflict. Not sure how knowing about partner’s interests makes a difference. I am unclear what point you are trying to make. I’m not the one suggesting looking for an ideal partner
/r/ExRedPill22/07/25 11:15 AM
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Thank you for your well intentioned comment and for taking the time to try to help. Glad you found what works for you. You are attributing a level of maturity and self-awareness to me that I do not possess, despite being an older man. My situation is the opposite of yours. I am extremely shallow and married the most conventionally good looking woman I could get. She is a good caring woman with values similar to mine but I only see her as a trophy wife. Pick someone who works for you and ONLY, I …
/r/ExRedPill22/07/25 02:11 AM
2

some absolute creatures Deep sea creatures? :-)
/r/ExRedPill21/07/25 05:48 PM
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A lot of redpillers found out women like hot men and never recovered from it. Ha ha ha ha I'm a pessimist when it comes to humanity, A fellow pessimist I see! Welcome to the planet of the apes
/r/ExRedPill21/07/25 05:46 PM
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Why should it be painful? Do men always think their wives are the hottest woman in the room? No way. For example, my wife is the hottest woman in the room at many or even most gatherings but not always. Why hold women to a higher standard?
/r/ExRedPill21/07/25 01:27 PM
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Ha ha, well said
/r/ExRedPill21/07/25 01:23 PM
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Good points, all of them because they see one another on a human level Not the OP, but I haven’t learned how to do that.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/25 02:51 AM
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The numbers are obvious nonsense pulled out of thin air. But even if the idea has any truth to it, as you fear, so what? How does it affect you?
/r/ExRedPill21/07/25 02:05 AM
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I avoided coming to terms with it because I don’t have the courage of my convictions. I don’t really get the point of romantic relationships. The rational thing to do would be to try and be happier alone. BUT, that would actually require having a honest conversation and I don’t want to deal with the drama. Besides I am not sure if I’ll actually be happier alone or just miserable in different ways. Also I like the validation of a beautiful wife who puts a lot of effort into my physical wellbeing.…
/r/ExRedPill19/07/25 01:05 AM
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I'd still be looking for a connection with them because I want a girl to be in my life. Ok, that’s a better reason than obsessing about what other men are doing. As long as you actually enjoy staying under the same roof with your girlfriend. I'd love to hear more actually. Nothing much to it. I married the hottest woman who was willing to marry me for all the reasons you originally listed that are based on FOMO and validation, not because I actually wanted to spend my life with anyone. Realized …
/r/ExRedPill18/07/25 09:54 PM
2

The OP is looking for a girlfriend , so is not already around some one he likes.
/r/ExRedPill18/07/25 08:38 PM
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When most men have girlfriend, are having sex, romanticism, fun time, are feeling some sort of a wholeness; I don't want to be left alone. I am not asking what other men are doing. I’m asking why you want a girlfriend. Supposing you lived in a counter-factual world where most men were gay and not pursuing women, would you still be interested in getting a girlfriend? If so, why? I also don't want to be seen as incompetent on getting a girlfriend both by myself and other people. Again, this doesn’…
/r/ExRedPill18/07/25 04:20 PM
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You will get some good advice in this sub, which I will leave to others. But can I ask why exactly you want a girlfriend? This sounds like a silly question but it can help you understand your motivation and maybe reduce your fear.
/r/ExRedPill18/07/25 02:35 PM
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But if I’m so very wrong, what exactly are you concerned about? After all if romantic love is a universal human experience, as you claim, everyone will experience it sooner or later regardless of what I believe, right? Which is not, to my eye, significantly better than TRP. Seriously? You are equating my skepticism about romantic love with a misogynistic cult? If you really believe that, why don’t you ask the mods to ban me
/r/ExRedPill18/07/25 03:08 AM
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So like any relationship of many years or decades there is the bag of anger and resentment that both partners feel. Very familiar they did feel love at some point, they have just perverted it. “Twisted by the dark side of the Force is young Skywalker”
/r/ExRedPill17/07/25 10:19 PM
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It’s quite unambiguous when someone hates me. Besides, how often do you ask about romantic love IRL? I concede that’s a fair point. countless works of art spanning all cultures across the millennia have been made about romantic love I always assumed that was euphemism for sex Edit: By the way, if you are sick of my views as you said in a previous comment , why do you bother responding
/r/ExRedPill17/07/25 07:46 PM
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. No offense intended
/r/ExRedPill17/07/25 07:18 PM
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The only people I have seen talking about romantic love is on the internet. No one in real life mentions it
/r/ExRedPill17/07/25 07:17 PM
1

I'm not so interested in the definition of love, personally… the biological description of romance doesn't have to detract from the conscious, human experience of it. Not definition for the sake of it but to understand if we are even talking about the same thing. Falling in love is NOT a universal (or even common) human experience. Emotions like anger, shame, compassion, etc. are unambiguous in terms of qualia because although I cannot access other people’s mental states I have a pretty good ide…
/r/ExRedPill17/07/25 05:14 PM
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can't fall in love. How sad is that?! I would say that falling in love (with a healthy individual) is one of, if not the, peak human experience. Isn’t “falling in love” just a term for attraction + affection? Why treat it as peak human experience? Why place it above all other forms of love in platonic relationships? The media obsession with romantic love seems to be mostly a Western invention that is promoted by Hollywood and copied by Bollywood to sell movies tickets. And no one wants to claim …
/r/ExRedPill17/07/25 04:39 PM
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so many men are unattractive and lazy Correct all the women are amazing and would be great partners Yeah, but are they hot? women are hardwired by evolution to be picky Women are hardwired to be asexual
/r/ExRedPill16/07/25 01:55 AM
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Species don’t have goals only instincts. It’s not like 7 billion people meet every year to consciously decide their common goal. And even if it was, there is no rule that everyone within a species has to have the same goals.
/r/ExRedPill11/07/25 11:13 AM
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I tend to agree with your point. One of the annoying aspects in this sub is that most comments aren’t statistically useful. Comments like “every person is different” while true, ignores the fact that human preference isn’t randomly distributed but follows something like a bell curve. A better approach would be to point to advice that applies to people within one standard deviation of the average for example. But that isn’t as satisfying as making smug observations I guess
/r/ExRedPill10/07/25 10:39 AM
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My sympathies for the low points of your experience. Kudos for the self awareness and getting out of the toxicity. Wish you the best
/r/ExRedPill09/07/25 02:00 PM
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What area of expertise is required in your opinion to be able to comment on this topic?
/r/ExRedPill08/07/25 01:42 AM
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My mistake, I should have been more specific. Relatively larger compared to gorillas and relatively smaller compared to chimpanzees. https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2024/02/03/why_gorillas_have_tiny_testicles_and_so_do_humans_1009042.html Why do you keep coming back here? I didn’t think I was required to justify my participation in this sub to you. Are you the moderator?
/r/ExRedPill08/07/25 01:37 AM
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I don't think I disagree with anything you said. Sexual behavior is variable between different primate species, correct. Gibbons are monogamous while bonobos are on the other extreme. All I said is that the sexual dimorphism for a given primate species provides clues on the sexual history for that species , including humans.
/r/ExRedPill06/07/25 10:24 PM
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but didn’t go down that path I commend your rational self-control. a lot of evolutionary psychologists parrot a lot of True, but what OP listed is rather straightforward. The extent of sexual dimorphisim does contain clues to our sexual evolutionary past
/r/ExRedPill06/07/25 09:02 PM
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I don't think anything you listed is controversial, though I am not sure exactly what hypergamy means. Sex selection is definitely a thing in evolution, but that doesn't mean ALL women want the same traits. The preference for a trait probably falls on a bell curve. Coincidentally, I just checked out a book by Sapolsky. According to Robert, men being somewhat bigger than women and human behavior shows that we are half-way inbetween, behaving like a mix of the two. The other indication of a pair-b…
/r/ExRedPill06/07/25 08:59 PM
1

Movie stars aren't reality, but they are an indicator of what the average (male) audience finds attractive. Tattoos are an odd but interesting example. Now I'm curious why there is no tattoo equivalent (that I am aware of) for dark skinned people.
/r/ExRedPill06/07/25 06:28 PM
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Do you really want to let the racists win? Unfortunately they have already won a long time ago. The majority of people in Asia have internalized racist beauty standards. I agree it’s not everyone and I personally know men who aren’t like that. But it’s very pervasive. The local movie industry in my native region goes out of its way to import European or half-European or white-passing female leads. They don’t even bother pretending otherwise. Atleast Hollywood pays lip service by occasionally cas…
/r/ExRedPill06/07/25 02:27 PM
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Yes, I can relate. I grew up in India where the obsession with Eurocentric beauty standards is insane despite most people being dark skinned. And without the veneer of political correctness seen in the west, the glorification of light skin is blatant and promoted not just by society but also indirectly by government media and movie industry. Not surprisingly this has a crippling effect on self-image for people like me with darker brown skin. I am male but I agree it’s worse for women. Just like …
/r/ExRedPill06/07/25 01:43 PM
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Yes, it sucks not being in the socially desired ethnic group (white, blonde), but you can focus on things in your control like education and career and hobbies. You can still have a happy life. Also are there other women who look like you in your area? It helps if your friend group includes people who look like you to reduce the feeling of alienation
/r/ExRedPill06/07/25 01:24 PM
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Let’s look at the numbers. You are partly correct. The number of women killed in US by domestic violence is 1300 a year which is an order of magnitude lower than automotive deaths (40,000 a year). But if we consider injury and abuse the number is significantly higher. The link below says “1 in 3 women worldwide has been forced into sex, beaten, or otherwise abused another way during her lifetime” which is much too high. Avoiding men would in principle avoid most of these abuses. In practice it’s…
/r/ExRedPill05/07/25 03:52 PM
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Social media is not reality. But that said, I get what you mean. As a non-white man who doesn’t look like a Hollywood actor, it can feel occasionally unsatisfying to not be part of the high status strata of society. But there’s more than one way to gain status. One way is to impress people with your intelligence by writing gripping blogs for example. Another is to acquire an interesting personality, though that’s a bit harder. Or improving physical fitness. Don’t let your looks (or lack of) get …
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 08:00 PM
1

The 4B movement is explicitly about avoiding men for socio-political reasons, trying to make some statement. Not entirely. It’s also a matter of personal safety. Having a functional uterus is dangerous when men and the law don’t care about consent or bodily autonomy. If I was a young woman who couldn’t undergo a hysterectomy for whatever reason, then 4B is the rational thing to do. The fact that the vast majority of women don’t follow 4B (since they are immersed in the patriarchal system they ar…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 01:45 PM
0

Or I can recognize it, and refuse to take part in it. Education can at times trump nature. 100% agree. Biology is just another hurdle to overcome. And Eventually we will have the tech to transcend our meat bodies and edit our desires. Maybe then we can leave all the cruelty and suffering behind. I don’t know how much we were killing each other before the advent of agriculture, where there was a surplus of population. Advent of agriculture was a bad deal, yes, but things weren’t that much better …
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 01:29 PM
2

Oh I see, lol. Sorry I misunderstood
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 12:55 PM
0

Sure, that’s the reasonable way and hopefully more men adopt that attitude. It’s just unfortunate that nature built in this tendency for violence in men. Makes it easier for men to fall to the dark side
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 02:10 AM
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If I was a woman I would definitely choose 4B. But most women don’t. In fact, most young women who get into relationships willingly.
/r/ExRedPill27/06/25 09:43 AM
2

Given the power that men hold, the only way women can realistically protect their bodily autonomy is to avoid men as much as possible. That’s the part you don’t seem to understand. Simply carrying on like business as usual isn’t enough to protect women.
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 03:40 PM
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It’s beyond disgusting. Yes, it is. And it’s a thinly veiled intent to forcibly birth as many (preferably white) babies as possible regardless of the cost to women. I suspect it’ll have the opposite effect long term since dead women cannot birth any more babies.
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 03:34 PM
0

the average really just isn't that great. You got that right. Every decade I have had to revise my estimate downwards
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 03:25 PM
1

I can’t fault anything in your comment. Except Both sides are made for each other. This is an exaggeration. Men and women aren’t “made for each other”. Both sexes co-evolved to maximize reproductive fitness and that’s it. There’s no guarantee of compatibility
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 02:35 PM
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relationship be source of the validation and fulfillment they are supposed to be getting from their life.That's just not a realistic or sustainable expectation. Learned that the hard way
/r/ExRedPill25/06/25 06:33 PM
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Undersocialized men may also have trouble understanding what relationships actually involve since they don’t have the experience to imagine it in sufficient detail. Because if they did, they will realize that relationships are utterly mundane and not as exciting as Hollywood makes it seem (atleast not in the long run). Having a life may start appealing more than having relationships
/r/ExRedPill25/06/25 10:51 AM
1

In principle, libido and misogyny aren’t related. In practice, there is a correlation. Yes, it’s probably social-cultural and I can work on it, even if it doesn’t matter at this stage of my life. I think it requires consciously adopting a non-objectifying type of mindset.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/25 04:10 PM
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Why are you giving up before you even start? Haven’t you seen any man of your height in a relationship?
/r/ExRedPill23/06/25 01:17 AM
11

Just embrace agnosticism. It is the most honest position about a lot of things. True, but most people have difficulty living with ambiguity and would rather have the comfort of a wrong position than the intellectual honesty of an open mind
/r/ExRedPill23/06/25 01:15 AM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030645302400218X
/r/ExRedPill23/06/25 12:25 AM
4

High testosterone is implicated in greater aggression, but did you know high estrogen levels is associated with greater irrationality and anxiety? Does that mean we should conclude estrogen corrupts women But the two aren’t symmetrical. Agression is against other people while anxiety is usually self-victimizing. In other words, men hurt others while women hurt themselves , but honestly don't bring that self loathing nonsense here. Ok, that’s fair
/r/ExRedPill23/06/25 12:23 AM
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data backed claims they make Can you point to this data? man. At a population level, women do prefer tall, masculine, financially successful, socially confident, in shape men with great hair and faces. Assuming this is true, how does RP make someone tall, financially successful with great hair and face? We don't need to pretend that our (both men and women) preferences don't have some rooting in biology. It's messy and uncomfortable, but it's true I actually agree with this but what do women act…
/r/ExRedPill19/06/25 02:10 AM
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Not red pill, but I have poor self awareness and didn’t think it through. I just wanted the validation of marrying a good looking woman out of my league, as a trophy. I didn’t stop to think what I imagined a relationship to look like on a day to day basis.
/r/ExRedPill09/06/25 08:26 PM
1

That makes sense. Maybe the people saying that were women
/r/ExRedPill09/06/25 08:21 PM
1

That’s good but what confuses me is when Reddit claims that connection with partner matters for quality of sexual activity. How the two things are remotely related is beyond me
/r/ExRedPill09/06/25 06:38 PM
2

Yes, I can relate. I was never RP, but I don’t really get what meaningful connection means though I’m married. So it feeds my FOMO when I hear reddit blathering on about it.
/r/ExRedPill09/06/25 03:43 PM
1

That’s fair. I have the same issue sometimes trying to decide if I’m missing something in relationships
/r/ExRedPill08/06/25 09:45 PM
0

Stoicism is about focusing only on things in your control and radically accepting the things that aren’t. If it is not in your control it’s none of your concern . Simple as that
/r/ExRedPill08/06/25 06:41 PM
13

Why do you think they remain redpill or become redpill? Seems like a basic revenge fantasy where they get to degrade the Stacies instead of Chad
/r/ExRedPill08/06/25 06:37 PM
1

Depends on the motivation for the relationship. Mine was the validation of marrying a beautiful woman. Not the wisest motivation, I admit
/r/ExRedPill06/06/25 04:28 PM
2

First, I think settling is not necessarily bad. Everyone settles to some extent when reality deviates from the ideal. I am not saying you should settle. I’m saying you shouldn’t worry whether your wife is settling for you. Second, just because someone settles doesn’t make them undependable or that they’ll abandon you at the first excuse. I’m not sure if most people know what they even want. Lots of men just want sex wilth as many women as possible. So it’s hypocritical to be upset about shallown…
/r/ExRedPill05/06/25 11:15 PM
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I am guessing there is a cultural aspect to this. Worrying about whether their wife is attracted to them seems a western male thing. I can’t imagine someone from my culture in South Asia caring about it. When I was young that never even occurred to me as a possibility. I assumed all romantic relationships were transactional
/r/ExRedPill05/06/25 10:53 PM
4

Why does it matter if they settled or really into them? As long as there is no coercion, why should the man care about the exact motivation?
/r/ExRedPill05/06/25 09:00 PM
1

Agreed. So what’s the problem?
/r/ExRedPill05/06/25 08:58 PM
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Because cooperating and living with others gives a greater chance at living life in a fulfilling way aka being happy. Yes, cooperation is key to our species. But cooperation hardly requires a romantic relationship. Which circles back to why people get into relationships in the first place. I’m skeptical about such conveniently rational explanations for human motivations. Humans are far from rational as behavioral economists have been forced to account for. There is no reason to think humans are …
/r/ExRedPill04/06/25 02:31 PM
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So to be attractive, i.e. someone who others want to date, you need to be able to add well-being to other people's lives Ok, I can buy this definition as worthwhile. The ability to be at peace (freedom from worry) Worry is about things outside our control, almost by definition, otherwise we would just resolve them. How is being with someone help achieve freedom from worry? This makes it seem like after-the-fact storytelling instead of actual motivation for why people date.
/r/ExRedPill04/06/25 02:45 AM
1

You are saying women can’t help themselves? Despite marriage being an objectively raw deal for women, their desire to be mothers is so strong they don’t care about being exploited?
/r/ExRedPill26/05/25 11:42 PM
5

Very cool. This is the kind of mathematical rigor and effort that should go into discussions in this sub. Edit: thanks for posting. I want to play with this script when I get time.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/25 04:07 PM
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Also I suspect that the birth sex ratio would be dramatically skewed if 80/20 was true for mating success. A steady selection pressure that disfavors male children by 80/20 would also ensure than female to male birth ratio would be closer to 80:20 than the 50:50 we see in our world
/r/ExRedPill25/05/25 07:45 PM
2

Have you ever felt like you're not living your life you're just playing a role someone else wrote for you? That maybe, even your own thoughts... aren’t fully yours? Yes, this is true for every single human, though it is less obvious for some than others .
/r/ExRedPill25/05/25 01:54 PM
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Welcome to the South Indian family, lol. Just to be clear, my culture is not some paragon of progressive liberal gender-neutral values. Women are still made to carry most of the mental, physical and emotional labor in marriage. Women are treated with more unfair sexual standards. It is still patriarchal and conservative, but happens to be slightly less toxic in specific areas. I’m mostly basing my claim on movies and my limited perspective. But I think I can honestly claim that men who try to be…
/r/ExRedPill25/05/25 01:50 PM
4

Yeah in my culture it’s considered shameful regardless of gender
/r/ExRedPill23/05/25 07:19 PM
5

It’s like the Marvel movie where brainwashed super-soldiers are controlled by a sequence of phrase words
/r/ExRedPill23/05/25 07:15 PM
1

No offense, but what is the value in analyzing this nonsense?
/r/ExRedPill23/05/25 07:11 PM
0

As a man, it never ceases to amaze me to see young women in my extended family jump willingly into marriage, even without any pressure from family (even when the parents aren’t that keen on the match). I wonder what exactly these women get out of it, other than taking on most of the mental, physical and emotional labor. These are educated women with well paying jobs. Cultural and media conditioning runs deep in women, unfortunately. If I was a woman with financial independence, no way would i ri…
/r/ExRedPill23/05/25 01:39 PM
0

I agree. In an ideal world, most people shouldn’t be married.
/r/ExRedPill23/05/25 10:42 AM
0

A lot men have implicit red pill beliefs through patriarchy. Red pill is basically extreme patriarchy. Should they all get a divorce?
/r/ExRedPill22/05/25 06:48 PM
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Glad you came back to your senses. Don’t be too hard on yourself. Sometimes the FOMO and need for validation (more than actual desire for sex) can get to us men despite our better natures. Edit: sex weaponizing, resource extracting This sounded like you were describing an extraterrestrial probe manipulating humans , lol. Feminine robotic voice : “Access denied. Initiating resource extraction”
/r/ExRedPill22/05/25 03:53 PM
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That’s not what you said though. If someone genuinely wants to raise children and have a family that’s a fair point. But you phrased it as “genes being deemed worthy”. That’s not instinct, that’s a conscious choice to elevate the goal of evolution as your own goal.
/r/ExRedPill21/05/25 02:32 AM
1

Sure and I acknowledged it in my post. But even cordial interaction with women was awkward in my youth but more pleasant now. That’s all I meant
/r/ExRedPill21/05/25 02:25 AM
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It’s more to do with patriarchal cultures in general than the caste system (which is indeed part of my home culture).
/r/ExRedPill16/05/25 02:32 AM
5

Yes, being in relationships constraints behavior but it doesn’t necessarily help with the awkwardness of potentially finding someone attractive
/r/ExRedPill14/05/25 07:19 PM
3

India. So, south Asia. If you grew up in the US , I imagine it’s easier because inter-gender friendships are more common in the west.
/r/ExRedPill14/05/25 07:17 PM
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Thank you. I grew up in a conservative Asian country where men and women being platonic friends is/was viewed with suspicion. So it’s a mindset shift that’s only possible because I’m now much older than the women I interact with.
/r/ExRedPill13/05/25 10:25 PM
2

For most of my life I let my own issues turn me into a less compassionate version of myself, especially towards the women, which is unfortunate because my “true” self is better than that.
/r/ExRedPill12/05/25 05:32 PM
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I can believe that’s true in most cases (same as me) but do you have friends who share the same interests? I have just one male friend with similar outlook and I depend on those interactions for emotional support. Meeting people with totally different values and outlook is draining. It’s important to find your own people in terms of values. I recall you live in a small town, so maybe you don’t have like-minded people in the area
/r/ExRedPill12/05/25 05:24 PM
3

Thanks, I appreciate it. Would be so much easier if I was asexual. I have to pick my avenues of improvement selectively. I am shallow and that’s unlikely to change. So if a woman was very attractive I couldn’t pull off my platonic mindset. I also have to watch out for non-platonic thoughts spilling into interactions with women coworkers although that’s not much of an issue at my age. Unfortunately a lot of men still don’t get it, still don’t grow in their level of empathy in spite of having fema…
/r/ExRedPill12/05/25 12:47 PM
4

I assume you want to get comfortable around women so that non-platonic relationships are easier with other women. Best wishes
/r/ExRedPill12/05/25 11:19 AM
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I am sure at least some of your female coworkers definitely see you as a real friend, not just a coworker friend. Thanks. I hope so. The other reason it has become easier to empathize with female coworkers is because I have young female relatives who have entered the workforce, so I treat my female coworkers the way that I want my relatives to be treated by their male colleagues. I certainly didn’t have this perspective when younger. This other dude is just not going to get it, unfortunately. Ye…
/r/ExRedPill12/05/25 10:48 AM
10

I am asocial and tend to stubbornly discount the positive effects of social interaction even if I know deep down that it makes me feel better
/r/ExRedPill12/05/25 01:29 AM
5

What do you do for work may I ask? I'm guessing some kind of office where you have to do group projects or something. Correct. I’m in an engineering desk job with lots of team collaboration. I’m asocial and hate interacting with others but I have to play by corporate rules to keep my job. So I try to make the best of it and minimize awkwardness especially with young women I can recognize that these are bad things that shouldn't happen to people, but I can't really feel bad for them You aren’t th…
/r/ExRedPill11/05/25 09:36 PM
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I can’t avoid talking to women in my current group, so i try to make it as smooth as possible which is easier as an older man. I don’t seek out interaction with women. Obviously everyone cares a lot more about themselves and their family than work colleagues, and I am least social of my group and don’t care about their lives per se, but i do feel compassion if their kids fall sick for e.g. and I express that.
/r/ExRedPill11/05/25 07:50 PM
7

Trust isn’t necessary for cordial interaction, although I’m not sure what that’s got to do with affairs, lol.
/r/ExRedPill11/05/25 07:46 PM
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While not true friendships my interactions are a bit deeper than casual greetings. I make it a point to care genuinely about them and atleast one of these women has said they appreciate my sense of humor and work experience that I bring to the table. I couldn’t have managed this when younger because of the awkwardness of the male libido. BTW your job sounds more stressful and fast paced than mine. I can see why there wouldn’t be time to get to know the nurses
/r/ExRedPill11/05/25 01:31 PM
8

Life would be better for younger people without male libido and patriarchy rearing their ugly heads
/r/ExRedPill11/05/25 01:12 PM
1

Who is doing the validation though? Evolution? Why should you care what evolution wants?
/r/ExRedPill10/05/25 08:33 PM
3

Why do you want this particular unattainable fantasy over all the other unattainable fantasies? Is it for validation or physical enjoyment? Do you even know? With the possible exception of celebrities who are a fraction of a percent of the population, vast majority of men cannot be the most desired.
/r/ExRedPill30/04/25 02:21 AM
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maybe try to find women who also aren't good looking? What would be the point in seeking unattractive women? There’s no validation in that, and I assume that’s what these men are seeking
/r/ExRedPill29/04/25 01:58 AM
3

Chad doesn’t exist yet. But he can be genetically engineered. LOL
/r/ExRedPill27/04/25 02:57 PM
2

Trillions if you count future humans :-) Joking, in case it wasn’t clear
/r/ExRedPill24/04/25 06:32 PM
2

No harm in trying though.
/r/ExRedPill22/04/25 10:21 PM
0

You are not exactly wrong, but it seems you are grouping different (somewhat adjacent) ideologies together with weak links. The connection between capitalism and individualism is interesting, but we can also make the argument that capitalism promotes collective responsibility through public stock companies which are collective enterprises in principle (not in practice). A bit more thought is needed to flesh out these connections
/r/ExRedPill19/04/25 05:02 PM
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I think humans are still adapting to urban life which is obviously a very recent phenomenon in our evolutionary history. Maybe the manosphere is one of the pathologies due to failure to adapt. We can’t turn the clock back. The population genie is out of the bottle. Maybe human extinction will solve it one way or another
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 09:47 PM
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Do you mean non-nuclear families i.e. joint families? If so, that’s a good point. Many generations ago, large joint families with adult married brothers living together with their wives and children were the norm in my homeland and in that case a woman would still have the rest of the family to support her if she is widowed. But that hasn’t been practical once people moved to cities to make their living.
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 09:43 PM
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Excellent observations. I’ll have to think about this a bit. But it seems a near universal in modern Eastern and Western cultures that working women take on more physical, mental and emotional labor at home than their husbands. Since war was the catalyst for increased female participation in industry, I wonder if some other cataclysm is needed to balance domestic workload on men. Instead of world wars imagine pandemics of severe postpartum depression that caused suicide rates to spike among youn…
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 06:53 PM
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The OP question is interesting and valid. It is important to understand why something is happening even if we have a knee-jerk reaction against examining it in detail. There are many cases in my native land where women raised to be “protected” by their husbands were suddenly in precarious situations when their husbands died young. Without economic independence they are forced to depend on their male siblings or relatives. My grandmother was “lucky” that her brother was rich and willing to suppor…
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 05:01 PM
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Thoughtful post. Haven’t seen this question before. To summarize the insightful comments from others, traditional patriarchy can be described as “benevolent slavery” which women in civilized societies are no longer willing to put up with. Manosphere is “brutal slavery” and a reaction to women’s need to be free
/r/ExRedPill18/04/25 11:30 AM
1

Online is not the real thing though
/r/ExRedPill17/04/25 08:15 PM
0

What is that supposed to prove?
/r/ExRedPill17/04/25 07:42 PM
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The only valid source of knowledge about the brain is neuroscience. Not internet strangers. Not psychology surveys. Start with popular science books by neuroscientists like Sapolsky and build up your understanding by reading papers until your questions are answered
/r/ExRedPill17/04/25 12:38 PM
1

So, in your view, women get nothing from casual sex? Seems like a reasonable assumption. From what I hear on Reddit, it’s not enjoyable for women especially since it’s difficult for women to orgasm compared to men. And most men are not good at it. But, regardless, even if it is mutually enjoyable it’s a stretch to claim affection is involved. Do you even fathom that women could be the initiator of casual sex No, I cannot imagine that happening are you so male centric in your thinking that women …
/r/ExRedPill17/04/25 11:37 AM
0

Why would anyone consciously choose to be attracted to anyone? That would be like consciously choosing neediness
/r/ExRedPill17/04/25 02:14 AM
0

Dude, did you even attend a University? Yes. Are you seriously questioning the scientific method? Do you understand what the scientific method is? Or even what qualifies as science? It has to be falsifiable and replicable which most psychology research is not. I am pointing out a well known issue with methodology and your response is an ad-hominem attack. Classy. Did you ever do any science studies, research, analysis, like ever? I am not trained as a scientist (I have a masters degree, not a Ph…
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 04:36 PM
5

What claim?
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 03:15 PM
0

No one is going to pay for sex if they can get it for free. The very fact that some poor women needs to be paid to have sex implies it isn’t something she would do willingly otherwise. There are glaring gaps in your claims about the real world
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 02:40 PM
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At what % is it statistically significant for you? Above 5% In the future learn a bit about a topic before you mindlessly Do you understand that a psychology study is not same as doing a study on, say, pigeons? People can’t be forced to participate in a study which makes the study worthless in describing statistically significant trends. If there is a questionnaire on sexuality the only people likely to respond are ones with a sex life. It says nothing about the larger population.
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 02:37 PM
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These are my talking points based on evo psych and the high risk that women face, not the manosphere. I am going with the large scale observation that if a lot of women are engaging in casual sex, patriarchy could not exist in its current form. Sex work would be non-existent since there would be no market. Psychology studies based on surveys are not science.
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 02:18 PM
2

Thanks for the effort in compiling these details. While psychology studies suffer from poor methodology and sample size, you have linked enough sources that it warrants deeper thought. Let me peruse these links and see if I can reconcile this with the large scale manosphere phenomenon
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 02:13 PM
1

I have heard of that movie but have not seen it. There is one with Nicole Kidman in it 20 years ago.
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 02:02 PM
0

Gimme a break. The man is just using the woman for validation. You might as well claim there is affection involved in masturbation
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 02:00 PM
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All I’m saying is these women aren’t statistically significant and therefore irrelevant in the context of RP. Because if they were statistically significant, RP wouldn’t exist in its current form. It’s nothing to do with my personal experience (or lack of)
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 01:59 PM
2

I would argue that repeatedly engaging in high-risk, low-reward behavior is really bad. Finally a rational take
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 11:20 AM
3

The real toll is the risk of disease, pregnancy and death
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 11:19 AM
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which can also be affectionate Lol
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 11:17 AM
2

Don’t mind the haters, debates are fun
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 11:15 AM
1

I was born numb to relationships
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 11:13 AM
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Most women aren’t really interested in casual though. Otherwise RP wouldn’t exist
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 11:12 AM
-2

it fills a need Lol
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 11:11 AM
5

The “rewire the brain” phrase was genuinely funny and made me think of reprogramming too, lol. Women speaks in robotic monotone “Access denied”
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 11:09 AM
3

Men who are angry about this don’t understand supply and demand
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 10:36 AM
6

Yes certainly there is a correlation between the two types of hate. My sympathies at your predicament
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 01:32 AM
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Oh… I see. That explains it. Racism isn’t rational or justifiable but it isn’t hard to see the cause here. I wonder if the person she cheated with wasn’t a minority, would he hate men in general? Or would he hate only women. I think we know the answer
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 12:14 AM
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No, they don’t. I am a man and I don’t love women unconditionally. Look at all the men who legislated away a pregnant woman’s right to lifesaving medical care in the US. Is it likely these men are capable of unconditional love? Be honest
/r/ExRedPill16/04/25 12:09 AM
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How women are loved unconditionally. lol, who is loving them unconditionally? Certainly not men. How women can easily get sex. A woman just has to show up and she will have men throwing themselves at her. This is because men are desperate. Why blame women for the desperation of men?
/r/ExRedPill15/04/25 10:35 PM
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I’m curious why his unfortunate experience made him racist, though. What did minorities have to do with it? I know these things aren’t rational but was wondering what the connection is
/r/ExRedPill15/04/25 10:34 PM
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Thanks for your consideration. How many people can you truly say you have seen at their worst, that you still have positive regard for? Those are the people that you love by this definition. Does that unpacking help to narrow down the scope of what differentiates love from other types of affection? Thanks for the clarification. I am skeptical that this definition of love can exist at all , with the possible exception of parental love as mentioned. Certainly I do not feel unconditional affection …
/r/ExRedPill08/04/25 10:01 PM
3

Complaining that you can’t be a swinger is almost like complaining that you aren’t a multi-millionaire Exactly. Feeling bad that we aren’t Chad is like feeling bad that we aren’t billionaires. Not very practical
/r/ExRedPill08/04/25 03:54 PM
1

Let's remember what genuine love is really about. The kind of love that can last for decades through the good and the bad. This might be convincing to people who have already experienced it but not to those who haven’t. So you can only preach to the choir.
/r/ExRedPill08/04/25 03:52 PM
1

Well, this a lot and I’m not sure I agree with everything you wrote though I appreciate the effort. I need some time to think about this to figure out what does and does not make sense in your post. By the way, your definition of love is too loose since nothing you said is really considered unconditional positive regard. By that definition I love lots of people when that’s not true
/r/ExRedPill08/04/25 02:28 PM
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I’m in love with every hot woman celebrity, lol
/r/ExRedPill07/04/25 10:59 PM
-3

Hard to believe this
/r/ExRedPill07/04/25 09:25 PM
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I’m happy for you. But I don’t think it’s just Red Pillers. I’m convinced it requires a specific personality type to grasp what you wrote and make it work. It isn’t for everyone and that doesn’t change even if someone isn’t a misogynist. But love is not enough to maintain a relationship - it takes work See, this statement confuses me. If it takes all that work, then what exactly is love doing? How is it different from a relationship without love? with you for who you are - whoever that is, warts…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/25 09:22 PM
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I’m happy for you. But I don’t think it’s just Red Pillers. I’m convinced it requires a specific personality type to grasp what you wrote and make it work. It isn’t for everyone and that doesn’t change even if someone isn’t a misogynist. But love is not enough to maintain a relationship - it takes work See, this statement confuses me. If it takes all that work, then what exactly is love doing? How is it different from a relationship without love? with you for who you are - whoever that is, warts…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/25 09:21 PM
1

Impractical yes, silly maybe, but still a cute idea :-)
/r/ExRedPill03/04/25 07:38 PM
-1

Why? I get shit on for it in this sub
/r/ExRedPill02/04/25 02:43 PM
-4

Yes RP theories are too simplistic to be useful. What would be cool is to model sexual relationships like any other chaotic system using close-coupled differential equations and see if that gives any insight but personally, I think it's a beautiful thing. I don’t, but that’s neither here nor there.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/25 02:17 PM
2

Do you view women as less than men? No, ofcourse not. I actually tend to put women on a pedestal which I have been criticized for in this sub
/r/ExRedPill01/04/25 06:03 PM
0

Most women aren’t interested in sex anywhere as much as most men are. Any interest women show towards men is purely due to societal pressure. Most women have lower potential for aggression and violence than most men. Note: I said ‘potential’, since most men don’t usually exhibit violence either. That’s about it.
/r/ExRedPill01/04/25 04:53 PM
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But there are grown men with fixed views of women whose attitudes are not as likely to change over time. Hey that’s me!
/r/ExRedPill01/04/25 03:59 PM
1

Yes, If you are saying describing good looks as “good genes” is eugenics, I have to agree
/r/ExRedPill01/04/25 03:40 PM
1

Do you understand that LLMs are basically glorified auto-complete tools? ChatGPT is simply predicting what an “average” person might say in response based on the garbage it’s trained on. Garbage In Garbage Out. The real question is why anyone is getting life advice from a glorified auto-complete
/r/ExRedPill30/03/25 05:20 PM
1

80% of women are Stacys and 20% of men are Chads. /s
/r/ExRedPill29/03/25 11:29 PM
4

My sympathies. I hope you resolve your health issues and have a long happy life.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/25 11:27 PM
10

Yes, when people are actually sick they aren’t going to look their best. But I’m referring only to genetic and congenital disorders which aren’t strongly correlated to looks.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/25 08:11 PM
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Side rant. It’s baffling that in western discourse, “good genes” are used synonymously with good looks. I think of “bad” genes in terms of genetic disease and survival probability which is partly environment dependent. It has nothing to do with looks.
/r/ExRedPill29/03/25 06:46 PM
1

It’s a nice thought but your consideration is misplaced. I am too old to be able to change and in any case it would not matter at this stage. My life is behind me.
/r/ExRedPill27/03/25 04:16 PM
1

But people on the internet have no reason whatsoever to lie to you This is very much not true. I know for a fact that some people LARP. Not saying you do, but can’t verify anything said here. all beliefs should be falsifiable. Agreed! However I think we have different standards for what qualifies as evidence. Nothing anyone says here counts as evidence in my book. The thing I care about is explaining observed trends in society by attributing motivations to most (not all) men and women. If your l…
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 10:37 PM
1

Anyway I’m just a random idiot on the internet. Please don’t let my comments get to you. That’s not my intent
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 09:06 PM
-1

This is the internet and I have no reason take statements at face value if the larger society trends imply the opposite
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 07:25 PM
3

Agreed. Everything they claim about women is definitely true for men
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 05:30 PM
-1

Sorry, I don’t mean to deny your personal experiences. My conclusions are in terms of general trends, not all women
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 05:29 PM
0

It’s my social interaction space
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 05:27 PM
-2

That’s my conclusion. You don’t have to agree
/r/ExRedPill26/03/25 12:46 AM
1

So it is just a coincidence that most men are partnered with women who are in the same ballpark of attractiveness or a bit higher? I’m sure it has nothing to do with the reality that these were the most attractive women they could get
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 11:23 PM
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That doesn’t mean these guys didn’t want a supermodel
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 11:05 PM
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these guys only want Supermodels Who doesn’t
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 10:13 PM
-2

Anyone who thinks men love their partners is delusional
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 10:11 PM
3

This made me laugh
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 10:09 PM
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who they don’t love (not capable), but rather fetishize Sounds like me
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 10:08 PM
15

She isn’t insulting the people she wants to get her point across though
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 10:05 PM
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A lot of women enjoy sex. Sex is a normal thing between two people. It's not some weird thing where men are victimizing women or turning them unpure and unmarriable. If this was actually true, human society would be very different. Sex workers wouldn’t exist for one thing, because a lot of women would be soliciting sex for fun as much as men. That’s clearly not the world we live in. Sex is fundamentally predatory with women bearing all the risk and cost.
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 01:10 AM
1

Then where is the evolutionary selection pressure for the dual-mating behavior coming from? Sexual behavior doesn’t rise in a vacuum. For all women to be hardwired with dual mating strategy there has to be a clear benefit in terms of successful offspring (i.e. sons) who go on to successfully spread their “Chad” genes. But that only works if most of her offspring from mating with Chad results in Chad-like sons. This is clearly not the case in the real world where most men are NOT Chads. So the du…
/r/ExRedPill25/03/25 01:05 AM
1

we went through this in late 2017/2018 and it went badly for everyone Care to elaborate?
/r/ExRedPill24/03/25 08:58 PM
1

Heh
/r/ExRedPill23/03/25 12:05 PM
9

Even baboon cultures have been known to change permanently if the aggressive males get killed off. If baboons can shake off their “hard wiring” certainly humans can
/r/ExRedPill21/03/25 08:32 PM
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genetically “superior” men Why isn’t the population dominated by genetically “superior” men if this has supposedly being going on for millions of years ?
/r/ExRedPill21/03/25 04:42 PM
3

The burden of proof is not on you to debunk it. If there is no peer reviewed study showing evidence for it among humans, then there is nothing to debunk. Edit: This kind of rhetoric is doing real damage to how young men view women, relationships, and even themselves. What are you afraid is the end result? And why do you care? Honestly curious, not being dismissive.
/r/ExRedPill21/03/25 02:25 PM
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RP is a hypothesis (a semi-stupid hypothesis but still a hypothesis). But why do you think it represents reality? Do you have trustworthy data as evidence? Hypothesis must be backed by evidence. Anecdotes are not evidence
/r/ExRedPill20/03/25 08:15 PM
0

And you're certainly not stuck in a lower caste for life just because you didn't marry up. I wasn’t aware people could change their skin color , which is what caste in the US is based on. It’s funny you mention marrying up because that’s exactly what some non-white male sports celebrities do by marrying a blonde white trophy wife.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/25 07:14 PM
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Sorry, I was being facetious. Also I am a shallow person obsessed with women’s looks and I wouldn’t recognize a real meaningful relationship if it hit me
/r/ExRedPill20/03/25 02:44 PM
-1

Disagree. All the things you listed are also true in India (my homeland) but no one really believes the caste system is gone. In every way that matters the US is a caste system.
/r/ExRedPill20/03/25 02:42 PM
3

Look up the book Caste by Wilkerson. There is no real difference. Segregation, which existed not long ago, is literally a caste system. As long as people have privilege based on how pale their skin is, it is a caste system. Marriage in the US is mostly between people of similar color. It is a caste system in all but name
/r/ExRedPill20/03/25 02:25 AM
1

https://contentandmindful.com/dont-give-in-to-the-dark-side-of-social-media/ Good… good
/r/ExRedPill19/03/25 10:29 PM
1

rather than forge an authentic path forward. Authentic, lol
/r/ExRedPill19/03/25 10:25 PM
1

There is a caste system based on skin color in the US too.
/r/ExRedPill19/03/25 10:21 PM
3

Finding a job that allows working from home would help a lot
/r/ExRedPill14/03/25 12:06 PM
7

They don't believe it's possible to be liked, loved, or valued for the sake of being a person, Interesting insight. I wonder if it might explain a lot of human behavior beyond just right wingers
/r/ExRedPill13/03/25 07:01 PM
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They are merely being courteous to career women by not inflicting themselves on them
/r/ExRedPill13/03/25 06:57 PM
1

That’s why
/r/ExRedPill13/03/25 06:56 PM
0

Because friendship isn’t compatible with attraction.
/r/ExRedPill12/03/25 10:40 PM
0

Describing sexual relationship as a friendship is still weird
/r/ExRedPill11/03/25 11:17 PM
2

Me neither. But i find it easier to deal with people by reminding myself they (myself included) are no different than apes in the forest. No point in expecting a higher standard than you would expect from a tribe of apes in the zoo.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 05:19 PM
0

I don’t think so. The need for validation is a better explanation for why couples form than some nebulous bullshit like “companionship”.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:40 PM
0

The correct window for divorce would be before kids are born, not after.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:38 PM
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I didn’t say they deserved a hot partner. I’m saying getting laid isn’t worth it if the partner isn’t hot.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:36 PM
-1

Why?
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:34 PM
0

The fact that most sex workers are women and most of their clients are men is all the citation that’s needed
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:32 PM
0

Let’s agree to disagree
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:30 PM
2

I wish there was more maturity in this sub of all places. People are so ready to wish the worst for me if I don’t agree with every single thing they say
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:26 PM
2

Do people get turned on by their friends? Weird.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:24 PM
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Maybe, but that’s not the full story. Divorce rates are also going down because marriage rates are going down. More couples simply live together instead of marrying, so it is not clear if they are really being choosy.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:23 PM
0

You sure do bring up a lot of strawmen. Anyway, your points make no sense to me and apparently my reasoning makes no sense to you. Let’s leave it at that. Don’t bother responding
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:16 PM
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why don't people just jerk off instead? Why not indeed! That’s what I have been saying
/r/ExRedPill09/03/25 04:11 PM
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You didn't say most. You said they won't. It’s called statistical thinking. It’s rational behavior to make choices based on probability of risk. I deliberately picked a reference to a study that compensates for reporting bias between biological and non-biological parents. The details are behind a paywall but the abstract says “ We find that unmarried partners of biological parents, but not stepparents, are significantly more likely to injure their victims than biological parents are, partially s…
/r/ExRedPill08/03/25 12:21 AM
1

They are more or less my generation though (a dozen years younger than me).
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 11:19 PM
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Average dudes get laid Probably not with hot women, though. most people don't like sex without companionship. Really? So everytime someone masturbates, they are getting companionship out of it? I'm sorry you got to this point. I didn’t “get” to this point. I was always there, lol. I can’t imagine any other way of being.
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 11:15 PM
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Why don’t you direct your comment to all the irresponsible westerners who change partners as frequently as they change clothes and treat the children from these unions as collateral damage. But noooo, that’s Ok I suppose because they were looking for “companionship” in all their failed relationships.
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 11:11 PM
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I genuinely enjoyed this comment. It made me laugh, not in a mocking way, but because you are sincere. I was born into a culture where prospective couples are introduced by parents a.k.a arranged marriage, so it was easier to find a lovely woman willing to marry me. If I had been raised in the west, your prediction would be correct. always the crappiest state-funded ones too Now, this is unnecessarily mean :-)
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 11:06 PM
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Y'all are able to talk about how y'all can work together to make the experience even better Communication, ugh.
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 12:32 PM
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If sex is all there is to it, then why doesn't everyone just Because most women wouldn’t be interested in such a lifestyle while most men would be if they could get that without commitment. while it's not the same degree, male celebrities are also expected to be sex symbols. If men are so much hornier than women, why is that the case? I am not sure if male sex symbols are promoted based on what women find attractive or what men think women find attractive. Based on comments from women here, the …
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 01:02 AM
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an approximation of an “emotional connection” with a fictional character that we’re invested in. So I wouldn’t find just a picture of Luke Evans with no context hot. But his character being self-sacrificing and honorable and having so much love for his wife makes him beautiful in my mind. I can relate to this, thanks
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 12:50 AM
1

I thought demisexual women do not find anyone hot until they get to know them?
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 12:19 AM
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Judge a red piller by his fruit. Let's go down the checklist Exactly. It should be evidence based. Beliefs shouldn’t exist rent-free. based on equity, balance, and attraction.That's where the best sex happens. Lol, I thought the best sex happens for men if they can get it up and keep it up
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 12:14 AM
1

Most women are smart enough to know that, even in the unlikely scenario that a celebrity shows interest, he likely just wants to use them for his gratification
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 12:07 AM
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No disrespect intended to these celebrities, but I can’t imagine why Natalie Portman or Britney Spears would be considered hot enough to be crushes. Different strokes for different folks , I guess
/r/ExRedPill07/03/25 12:04 AM
1

If they aren’t lying then why is there such a huge importance forced on women’s looks in modern society? If the overwhelming majority of men really care about companionship why do they care so much about forcing women to look like sex objects. And so many men (and women) are eager to harm women, strip them of their rights and deny them medical care. In the US, more than half of men openly admire bullies and toxic masculinity. How likely is it that these people really value companionship with the…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 11:59 PM
2

This sub is very divorce-happy for relationships that deviate from the Hollywood ideal
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 09:51 PM
1

I was being flippant. I don’t condone deceit. But lucky for us that's not how most people in couples work. Why is that “lucky”? Given that this sub encourages divorce for anything less than perfect compatibility you’d think it would be seen as a good thing
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 09:43 PM
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just be casual “Just be handsome, bro”. lol. You probably don't do healthy relationships. Probably
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 09:35 PM
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I don’t “know” that I am not the norm just based on what internet strangers say
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 09:32 PM
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If she is, Good for her, lol
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 07:15 PM
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I disagree. Men aren’t looking for a friend. Men look for women who turn them on. It's finding a human you enjoy spending time with. And spending time with them. Sex is part of that it's like the perk. But really the foundational thing is finding someone you enjoy spending time with and they enjoy spending time with you. This paragraph is a turn off
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 07:11 PM
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the idea of a healthy relationship seems almost completely foreign to them To be honest, the idea of a healthy relationship is also foreign to people who aren’t incels. What's wrong with a woman cuddling next to her husband while they watch some British crime drama together? Seems like a low bar, lol
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 07:08 PM
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I feel like I have to give up on getting a career I love and just get a career I hate that pays well enough for me to do what I love on nights and weekends. Unfortunately thats a common experience for most people. As long as you find a career that is atleast somewhat interesting, it should be bearable.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/25 02:26 AM
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Are you making concrete plans to go back to school and get a degree? If so, good. I don’t know what you are supposed to do till then, since in my culture dating isn’t a thing and I got married at 28 which was my first time with a woman. I know it’s different in the west, but as long as you have solid plans for the future and work towards them your chances of success increases
/r/ExRedPill05/03/25 09:48 PM
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This is really hard to believe because i see completely unattractive looking men in relationships all the time. As mentioned before perhaps your focus should be on working to move to a more urban area. Even if you can’t afford that at the moment you can plan and save up for that. And making a concrete plan will also help your mindset. Please make plans to improve your life
/r/ExRedPill05/03/25 02:42 PM
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are only as loyal as their options, This is much more likely to be true for men . The average woman already has options. The reason she has options is because men are more desperate for sex than women and hence more likely to cheat. RP is pure projection. My mind is easily impressionable. I have this failure mode to some extent, so I can relate. One way to get out of this mindset is through reason and evidence. Do you know any women who are the opposite of what RP claims? What would the world lo…
/r/ExRedPill04/03/25 11:58 PM
0

How is this relevant to this sub?
/r/ExRedPill04/03/25 11:39 PM
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But if you are holding that standard for yourself as well, I do not see it being a problem. Agreed, that’s perfectly reasonable and a common attitude in most cultures outside the west
/r/ExRedPill04/03/25 11:38 PM
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We’ll have to agree to disagree
/r/ExRedPill04/03/25 02:00 AM
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I can give anecdotes that tell the opposite story. Your experience isn’t universal. No offense, but my impression of western culture is that children are treated as a side effect of the relationship and parents don’t care that much about their welfare in general. This is different from other cultures, such as Asian, where the success of children is a primary goal of the marriage. This leads to different tolerance thresholds for divorce. There are no universal laws here. Like, humans very often t…
/r/ExRedPill03/03/25 11:01 PM
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I have heard that sentiment here, but have to disagree unless abuse is involved. The upside of a stable home with both parents who care about them far outweighs the downside of the kids seeing a toxic relationship. Alternating between divorced parents whose new partners have no incentive to care about their welfare does not sound like a better solution. But then, I’m from a non-western culture that prioritizes things differently.
/r/ExRedPill03/03/25 02:24 AM
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I don’t think anyone is refuting that men can have bad experiences with women or vice versa. What is refuted is generalized misogyny. Would you want someone with RP ideology marrying your sister or your daughter? It is a fact that divorce rates are higher in the Western world than in other parts of Earth. That’s not necessarily a bad thing unless kids are involved. Divorce simply means people are less willing to put up with unsatisfactory marriages
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 11:47 PM
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But how does anyone even know you are not having sex? It’s not like being persecuted for being an ethnic minority.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 02:47 PM
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Exactly. Some people for whom staying thin is easy either because they won the genetic lottery or can afford the life style, seem to lack understanding that it isn’t easy for everyone without medical help. Staying thin is certainly healthier and a worthy goal, but the difficulty level varies for each person
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 02:31 PM
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Sorry to hear. I wish you the best
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 02:23 PM
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He said he lacks discipline. Discipline isn’t some mystical resource. It has biological/neurological roots. He should talk to his doctor to understand why his discipline is low.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 02:22 PM
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Who exactly is persecuting single men who don’t have sex? How would anyone even know whether a man has sex or not? This is sheer delusion.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 02:18 PM
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I wasn’t. I mentioned it as an example of why your portrayal of obesity as a simplistic morality tale is not helpful.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 03:27 AM
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They are hoping that women in third world countries will be financially desperate enough to consider a relationship with them. That’s all there is to it.
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 02:45 AM
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That’s correct, but misses the point. Hormone imbalance can cause hunger cravings that are too hard to ignore. We are talking about different levels of hardship to achieve the same calorie intake for different people. That’s why framing this as a character flaw is unfair and unhelpful without considering medical history
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 02:41 AM
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I see. If rural small towns have unfavorable ratio of good looking women to men , then maybe consider moving to an urban area if possible
/r/ExRedPill02/03/25 02:35 AM
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This framing is not helpful without context of the individual’s medical history. Obesity cause is not always simple. Hormone imbalance can play a part
/r/ExRedPill01/03/25 11:10 PM
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Sure, but I’ll take the hot abrasive woman over the average pleasant woman any day
/r/ExRedPill01/03/25 11:06 PM
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Exactly. So many cult-like rants in the comments against porn and masturbation which (a) makes no sense (b) irrelevant to OP’s case.
/r/ExRedPill01/03/25 11:04 PM
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Very well said. Great philosophy
/r/ExRedPill01/03/25 10:37 PM
2

This. Wish I had realized this in my younger days. The hottest woman is still a person the man has to get along with. If I had internalized this, I never would have bothered seeking a woman. I was just thinking today that men such as OP would benefit from asking themselves “Then what?” questions. What if they get the woman beyond their wildest dreams. Then what?
/r/ExRedPill01/03/25 10:25 PM
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I wouldn't mind being single if men who didn't get laid weren't hated and persecuted by everyone else. Now you are being silly. No one is hating/persecuting single men.
/r/ExRedPill01/03/25 10:18 PM
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I never see this where I live. It’s common to see both i.e. men with attractive women and vice versa. Not sure why your area is different I've tried dieting more times than I can count and I just can't give up or even moderate my consumption of unhealthy foods. I'll probably never lose a significant amount of weight. Have you talked to your doctor about weight loss options? As you know, there is medication that can help though it isn’t cheap. Have you considered a RealDoll, though that isn’t che…
/r/ExRedPill01/03/25 09:57 PM
3

Or they might say all women are lesbians :-)
/r/ExRedPill28/02/25 08:22 PM
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Even without lesbians, RP would still be nonsense
/r/ExRedPill28/02/25 08:21 PM
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Meanwhile I'm a somewhat fem guy and got called gay In my culture, this version of toxic masculinity results in being called gay for not having a mustache. It’s ludicrous
/r/ExRedPill27/02/25 11:34 AM
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Agreed. don’t squander it Not a concern. There is always masturbation
/r/ExRedPill27/02/25 11:28 AM
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I think it’s just good ole fashioned “desire” thanks to evolution and the animalistic need to procreate True, but there is reason to think that men have an indiscriminate desire to mate compared to women
/r/ExRedPill27/02/25 03:09 AM
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Is this a western culture thing? There is no virgin shaming of men in non-western cultures that I am aware of
/r/ExRedPill27/02/25 03:02 AM
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Men love women. Women only love top 5% men I am a man and I was always only interested in the top 5% of women by looks. Let’s not pretend that men cannot be shallow It’s not about fairness. It’s just supply and demand. If men are more desperate for women than vice versa, women will naturally have more options
/r/ExRedPill26/02/25 06:54 PM
1

Thanks for the detailed response. I mostly agree with what you said, except for minor points. Congratulations on being asexual. As a man, I can relate to preferring fictional beautiful people of the opposite sex on the screen (or AI generated) instead of real people. Also, please use paragraphs next time
/r/ExRedPill25/02/25 03:07 AM
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Asexuality means lack of desire, not simply avoiding sexual behavior. Which is funny because I suspect most women are actually asexual. Why would a woman need self-control anyway?
/r/ExRedPill24/02/25 06:05 PM
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What do you mean by “adopting” asexuality? You are either asexual or you aren’t. men were a headache to have No arguments there.
/r/ExRedPill24/02/25 02:51 PM
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You can have a gf… But marriage is a no go. That's what MGTOW is That’s not what Wikipedia says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way It’s immature to loftily claim that you are going your own way and then seek a girlfriend.
/r/ExRedPill24/02/25 02:48 PM
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Exactly. If anyone is to be blamed for it, it is men.
/r/ExRedPill24/02/25 02:42 PM
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Why gay? Why not asexual? If one could choose one’s orientation, being asexual seems the rational choice
/r/ExRedPill24/02/25 12:59 AM
2

it feels like women have an abundance of options Why do you think this is? What does this say about men?
/r/ExRedPill23/02/25 10:23 PM
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When you visit an atheist forum, do you complain that 90% of the posts are about religion or god? An interesting point. As an atheist with a sometimes unhealthy obsession with religion, I think you are making the opposite point to the one you intended i.e. atheists who obsess about religion aren’t that much better from MGTOW who obsess about women. So this idea that you never went your own way because you talk about women all the time is stupid to me I disagree. It shows that MGTOW have unresolv…
/r/ExRedPill23/02/25 10:20 PM
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As someone with a similar unhealthy mindset, I have never been able to just admire beautiful women without feeling lesser
/r/ExRedPill23/02/25 10:11 PM
2

Learnt a new word ‘ eponysterical’
/r/ExRedPill23/02/25 10:04 PM
2

they want some kind of trophy to prove to themselve I can relate to that
/r/ExRedPill21/02/25 11:39 PM
0

Why does it require an explanation?
/r/ExRedPill19/02/25 11:21 PM
1

Over time, people usually realize that the beautiful and attractive person they see is largely a function of camera angles, makeup, posture, and other superficial elements that come together to conform to various rules and standards in society. There’s some truth to this. When you start to see past those superficial things, you realize everyone looks more or less the same. This is a wild exaggeration. Not remotely true. Good looking people can seem more plain and sometimes unattractive under dif…
/r/ExRedPill13/02/25 08:24 PM
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Are these influencers you listen to doing that? If not, what credibility do they have? Why listen to them?
/r/ExRedPill04/02/25 06:54 PM
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Why not learn science from actual scientists instead of influencers?
/r/ExRedPill03/02/25 01:49 PM
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women should be treated better and not sexualized in adult media such as movies or games and the entertainment industry does influence people's behaviors so with this it could help reduce mysoginy. Agreed. But isn’t just media. Culture itself does this by imposing different dress codes for men and women, therefore emphasizing the differences. It’s pervasive and insidious. Imagine a hypothetical culture where both men and women wear only T-shirts and jeans all the time. No dresses. No saris. No s…
/r/ExRedPill03/02/25 12:41 PM
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This. I’m surprised you haven’t been downvoted to oblivion. This sub hates any idea of men and women having differences in sex drive
/r/ExRedPill02/02/25 03:58 PM
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Women get into romantic relationships because of social pressure. So it’s difficult to say whether they have an innate desire for it.
/r/ExRedPill01/02/25 03:24 PM
1

I must agree
/r/ExRedPill25/01/25 01:32 PM
1

That’s true
/r/ExRedPill25/01/25 01:12 AM
1

But it’s not completely subjective like you were claiming. I don’t see how an average of a population being the most attractive can be considered subjective
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 09:58 PM
1

I disagree. It’s a good sub
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 09:56 PM
1

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11430245/
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 08:04 PM
-1

If women are just people like me, they become mundane. There’s nothing exciting about people. It would be like being attracted to myself. Boring. The thing that makes hot women alluring is that they are exotic like elves.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 07:18 PM
1

Your ability to sustain attraction to a shell is interesting to say the least. Good way to put it. Not the OP. The shell is all I have cared about in a partner, as long as there’s nothing nasty inside.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 07:11 PM
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Now that I think about it, I’m afraid of losing attraction to women if I internalize the fact that they are just people like me. I need to be able to see hot women as the “other” to feel arousal. I don’t care about personality.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 06:49 PM
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I really want to believe this, but I have never been able to convince myself at a deeper level. Even if it is purely conditioning , it’s so effective, so what difference does it make if it’s nature or nurture? For all practical purposes Eurocentric looks have become the standard of beauty globally. Every anime show makes their Asian characters look European. It’s like everyone tacitly wants to look European while claiming otherwise. Sorry, this hits close to home coming from a south Asian cultur…
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 06:25 PM
1

Wtf is “objectively” attractive? It seems to me that many of you never learned the lesson that beauty is very subjective. And this isn’t up for debate. Lol Literally what one man believes is beautiful, another may find hideous. So this idea that there is some objective standard is a lot of you lying to yourselves or simply buying into mainstream propaganda of beauty. It’s nice to believe this but there’s some evidence that the “average” of all the faces in a given population is considered most a…
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 06:14 PM
1

:-)
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 05:55 PM
1

Same. I don’t understand why men are expected to like sports. It’s just a bunch of apes running around
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 05:53 PM
3

Careful with your scientific facts. This sub hates any suggestion that male and female sexuality isn’t comparable
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 05:38 PM
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Not the OP, but I answered yes to all your psychology questions
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 05:29 PM
1

I don’t understand it either.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 05:27 PM
1

Yes, I agree. I am reading Shortest History of War by Gwyne Dyer and its sad that most conflict is over limited resources. Incidentally the book also debunks Alpha Male being dominant in hunter gatherer society. Yes, the dominator culture thing hits a nerve especially in the US political climate with so many people (who should know better) being willing/eager to brutalize other people. It’s baffling and paints an ugly picture.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 03:35 PM
3

So they put women on a pedestal, harboring these lofty moral expectations that women would never think or act in a way that wouldn't hurt you as a man. Yes, this fits me, except that I don’t have expectations of what a man should be. So I match all 4 points, hurray !
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 03:30 PM
1

:-)
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 03:21 PM
1

Yes, that can happen but I was asking about most people who hate.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 03:21 PM
3

Let’s say for argument sake that what you say is true. Even so, what have you got to lose by trying to date?
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 01:08 AM
5

Interesting. I fit the last 3 points, even though I was never RP. I have an uneasy suspicion that if I had been born in the US I would be deep into it
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 01:06 AM
2

He said his wife was having an emotional affair he confronted the guy and boldly proclaimed to the man to stay away from his wife. Basically he heard his wife’s cry for help and acted. Ha ha ha. Sorry, I am not laughing at your question but this anecdote is genuinely funny
/r/ExRedPill22/01/25 12:55 PM
1

My posts are not usually received well here but that doesn’t stop me from posting every now and then.
/r/ExRedPill22/01/25 12:48 PM
2

Finally I got fed up and asked the mod to ban me since I knew it was coming anyway. Ha ha, you lasted longer than I did. All I did to get banned was try to verify what I learned about women from this sub. I was not even arguing or anything. I just asked one question and I was banned. Yeah, this sub is not as engaging as it used to be, but it’s still worth participating.
/r/ExRedPill21/01/25 06:21 PM
1

Very valid points that others have brought up whenever this “study” gets mentioned. I’m just surprised that a non-rigorous poorly-designed data mining result from an OLD company is given so much weight by people who should know better
/r/ExRedPill21/01/25 04:24 AM
1

Interesting point! If I understand you correctly, you are saying that men who are good at getting hookups (a.k.a Chads) won’t pass on their genes in the age of birth control and therefore will get selected out of the population, compared to the average guy who has a family. I haven’t seen this particular hypothesis before. You should make a post about it!
/r/ExRedPill21/01/25 04:18 AM
7

Yes, it is win-win for men and women.
/r/ExRedPill20/01/25 03:32 AM
17

simply a tool to fix their life. That’s why AI operated sex bots are needed ASAP. This will hopefully give these men the tool they are looking for without bothering women.
/r/ExRedPill20/01/25 02:00 AM
2

:-)
/r/ExRedPill19/01/25 06:07 PM
4

True, but atleast they aren’t banned for dissenting. I have been banned from every other equivalent sub except this one for not toeing the party line. In that sense, this sub is remarkably tolerant.
/r/ExRedPill18/01/25 08:11 PM
3

This is what baffles me whenever I see a post asking about some YouTube influencer. Like, who cares? Maybe it’s a young people’s thing. I grew up decades before social media, so I don’t understand why the opinion of someone ranting on YouTube is given so much weight.
/r/ExRedPill18/01/25 10:07 AM
-1

Does he know about her past? In that case, I don’t get it. Takes all kinds, I guess. Also this being Reddit, I hope you’ll excuse me if I don’t give anecdotes from internet strangers the same weight as hard evidence. Not saying it’s impossible, just that the more extraordinary the claim the greater my skepticism.
/r/ExRedPill18/01/25 09:13 AM
1

I don’t understand why he would bother to be with anyone. Is the term “straight” used in a romantic sense in this case? If I was lucky enough to be asexual, no way would I waste time in a relationship. Anyway, best wishes. Thanks for the anecdote.
/r/ExRedPill18/01/25 09:05 AM
1

I am not arguing with you at all. I think you make an interesting observation even if it’s not relevant to most people. I’m also confused what your anecdote is supposed to prove. That women who engage in casual sex get into happy relationships? Good for them, I guess?
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 01:03 PM
1

Is it? I am not sure. As I said in another comment, claims about “high value” men are relevant only within the social class of people making these claims. Why would anyone care about actors? Vast majority of people aren’t going to meet one.
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 01:00 PM
-6

Well, you brought up love, not me. It wasn’t on my list of requirements. I appreciate the concern but it feels like you are projecting your ideology onto others. That’s fine, I do the same when I comment here. I am not looking for answers. No, I am not happy in my relationship. Am I supposed to be? A relationship is like a second job. Most people aren’t in a job for happiness. In hindsight, I wish I hadn’t married anyone since like a second job, relationships have diminishing marginal utility (e…
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 03:45 AM
1

I am not supporting RP. I agree it’s nonsense. I assumed ‘celebrity’ was synonymous with any actor successful enough to be well known.
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 01:46 AM
-5

I care about her welfare. I am grateful for everything she does for me. Does that count as love? Or is that something more mystical?
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 01:04 AM
2

Celebrities likely have other confounding factors when compared to run-of-the-mill “high value” men. When people make social claims it is usually in the context of their own socio-economic class. For middle class people, college educated high earning men would be “high value”. It’s all relative. Nobody cares about celebrities in this context because the vast majority of people aren’t going to get into relationships with celebrities. That’s why I said it’s disingenuous to use celebrities as an ex…
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 12:57 AM
1

:-)
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 12:43 AM
0

Agreed?
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 12:42 AM
0

Yes, of course. I didn’t mean that people do it intentionally, but I suspect that’s the subconscious driver behind our actions. Certainly I chose the hottest woman who was willing to marry me, so it’s mostly projection. But I’m sure I’m not the only one. It’s just armchair theorizing , barely better than RP. You may safely ignore my ramblings.
/r/ExRedPill16/01/25 12:09 AM
2

I see. Interesting. Thanks
/r/ExRedPill15/01/25 11:12 PM
-5

I agree that RP is probably wrong about what high status men want. I think most people subconsciously choose a mate based on whether it will increase their status in the eyes of their peers. In the case of male celebrities choosing a female celebrity increases their perceived status before other male celebrities.
/r/ExRedPill15/01/25 11:11 PM
3

I know this isn’t relevant, but how can someone be both gay and asexual? I’m honestly curious. You dont have to answer if it’s too personal.
/r/ExRedPill15/01/25 09:10 PM
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I don’t think celebrities should be used as evidence for anything. By definition celebrities are outliers.
/r/ExRedPill15/01/25 09:05 PM
1

You are missing the point of my post. The manosphere is obsessed with having sex with as many women as possible with the belief that “Chads” have the highest success rate. My post is a thought experiment using first principles to show that men who appear physically unthreatening are more likely to succeed in getting hookups. The only assumption I’m making is that most women care about their own safety.
/r/ExRedPill09/01/25 03:09 PM
-2

Agreed. I was armchair theorizing about things I know nothing about
/r/ExRedPill08/01/25 09:09 PM
4

As others have said it would be fine if MGTOW was sincere. But we all know it’s not and is simply an excuse to hate women. It would be healthier if these men introspect on what exactly they are looking for. Is it the validation of a relationship that motivates them? It so it’s better to address the root cause. Is it the sex? Then maybe a RealDoll might help? Is it connection? Maybe cultivate better friendships. There are rational ways to address it without going with the sour grapes path
/r/ExRedPill08/01/25 04:00 PM
2

:-)
/r/ExRedPill07/01/25 09:24 PM
1

Validation is the entire point
/r/ExRedPill07/01/25 07:13 PM
2

Agreed. These men whining about sex being a basic need is annoying.
/r/ExRedPill07/01/25 06:44 PM
2

I have that book on my shelf. Need to reread it
/r/ExRedPill07/01/25 06:42 PM
6

Doesn’t put women on a pedestal you say?
/r/ExRedPill07/01/25 06:41 PM
1

Agreed. There’s an unfortunate knee jerk response against real scientific insight using evo psych, because of all the bad actors who misuse it for racist or misogynistic purposes.
/r/ExRedPill02/01/25 03:35 PM
-1

Looks interesting! Might read it eventually out of curiosity. Don’t take it personally if this post gets a lukewarm reception here. This sub hates evo psych which I think is a pity.
/r/ExRedPill29/12/24 08:16 PM
3

He thinks that women should not have a lot of sex and men should since it’s in their “biology.” On a side note I wonder how this is mathematically possible.
/r/ExRedPill18/12/24 05:08 PM
3

That’s true. Thanks for your perspective. On your other point about women feeling special when a “bad boy” reveals their soft side to them, is this an indicator of what appeals to most women or is that only women who read this genre?
/r/ExRedPill16/12/24 08:26 PM
1

Throughout history, one of the primary ways women have accessed power has been through men Isn’t this another way of saying that most women want high-status men? Sounds like an RP talking point
/r/ExRedPill16/12/24 07:31 PM
0

That’s fair. It’s probably a bell curve distribution or something. But then why is there an axis of attractiveness in the OP article? Is that what most people find attractive? It’s not well defined (or maybe i have to refer to the original studies), which is a pitfall for such articles. An axis of attraction assumes a universal standard of attractiveness and if that’s far-fetched then the article is meaningless (though interesting).
/r/ExRedPill16/12/24 05:06 PM
0

I agree that looks are subjective in an absolute sense, since good looks are just a trick evolution plays on us. In truth there is no beauty. What I mean by subjective in this context is within the human species. Do most people find the same features attractive ? Beauty standards would seem to imply so. In the context of the article linked by OP, an axis of physical attractiveness makes no sense unless there is an implicit assumption that in the context of humans there is an absolute scale for l…
/r/ExRedPill16/12/24 04:11 PM
1

If you have even an elementary level of psychology studies, you'll know that psychology is far from being a science, at most it's science-related (many universities class it as such). A Funny you should say this. I just had a long argument with someone in this sub who listed peer-reviewed psychology papers published in medical journals that prove that psychology is irrefutably a science. I tend to be skeptical of “science” based only on surveys, but I assume peer-reviewed psychology papers know …
/r/ExRedPill16/12/24 03:29 PM
1

Sadly I must agree about actors and models. I grew up in India and it’s embarrassing how almost every female lead is selected based on Eurocentric beauty standards with some differences due to culture. This has been going on for atleast 30 years. As you say that wouldn’t happen unless there is a bias towards specific looks in the population. The people who insist that attraction is 100% subjective also use words like “conventionally attractive”. Go figure.
/r/ExRedPill14/12/24 08:25 PM
1

This sub needs to make up its mind about how subjective attraction is.
/r/ExRedPill14/12/24 07:34 PM
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I really like the analysis. It is rare to see this level of numerical content in the discussions here. But keep in mind that it also goes against a key dogma of this sub: that objective scale of attractiveness does not exist. The article is full of plots with an objective axis of attraction, lol.
/r/ExRedPill14/12/24 04:07 PM
1

I am certainly more shallow about looks than my wife is. And if you look at movies and sitcoms and fairy tales like Beauty and the Beast, male characters are allowed to be ugly but never the female characters. This is sad but universal across fiction in cultures. I can't think of a single rom com in ANY language that has an ugly heroine and a good looking hero. It's obvious the male audience is shallower. This sub is comprised of good people, who are very politically correct about what can and c…
/r/ExRedPill13/12/24 12:00 AM
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Thanks for the links. I can only go by what the abstracts say, since I can't access the papers. This is what I see: Frankenbach et al report a meta analyses that shows men have significantly higher sex drive than women. This is the actual data. They can get the difference down by assuming a response bias but we don't know how reasonable that is. Yang et al don't like the results and insist that any differences are due to women experiencing bad sex or other cultural factors. Frankenbach respond b…
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 11:50 PM
1

If you are saying men are more shallow, I agree
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 11:15 PM
1

I don’t see a single study linked. Seriously these articles are garbage
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 01:33 PM
1

I skimmed the article and there isn’t a single link to any study, only relationship “experts” talking about “multiple studies”. Can you link to an actual study so i can understand the methodology? I can pretty much dismiss the majority of what you're saying with your concept of human sexuality because it's blatantly incongruent with reality Simply saying it doesn’t make it true. Human sexuality isn’t easy to study given all the ideological baggage. It’s not like physics or chemistry. Surveys are…
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 01:31 PM
1

We also know that sexual attraction is not inherently tied to a desire to have offspring because of extensive studies and tons of information available to us in regards to people and sexual relationships. Tons of people in sexual relationships have no desire for offspring and many old couples still have sex even if the woman has experienced menopause. Do you understand the difference between proximate and ultimate causes? Evolution explains why the desire exists in the first place. No one is cla…
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 01:20 PM
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We know this because there's no evidence of it not being true. As I implied in my previous comment, the burden of proof is to demonstrate equal desire between men and women despite very different genetic payoff between genders. Essentially, it's impossible to generalize a statement like this, because attraction differs wildly from person to person, and there's different aspects of attraction, with each individual, regardless of sex, dictating said attraction. Both men and women also have wide va…
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 01:07 PM
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Our desires didn’t emerge in a vacuum. They are a result of evolutionary adaptations that happened to maximize corresponding genes in the population. Women carry a much higher cost/risk of child bearing with lower genetic payoff in terms of number of children. It makes sense they would not desire men to the same degree that men desire them. At least it is a better starting assumption that the claim that desires are identical regardless of genetic payoff. Is that really so far fetched or are you …
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 01:00 PM
1

Men and Women are equally attracted to each other in the aggregate. They have the same internal sexual and emotional desire for the opposite sex. How do you know this?
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 03:52 AM
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Are heterosexual men more attracted to the opposite sex than vice versa ? Very likely true. From an evolutionary POV, there is an upper limit on the number of children a woman can birth, while there is no theoretical limit for the number of children a man can father. There is an incentive for men to desire women more than vice versa.
/r/ExRedPill12/12/24 03:50 AM
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I have to agree. Not saying every relationship is like that, but the most drama I have seen in a relationship is the one where the man is emotionally mature and takes it calmly. Does this mean people are just togheter with someone for fear of being alone? I have been trying to understand why most couples bother to get together. Fear of being alone is probably the main motivation that explains it.
/r/ExRedPill05/12/24 01:28 PM
1

Thanks for writing this. This is exactly how my marriage is, and I always suspected that other people’s relationships weren’t much better. But this sub will furiously deny any suggestion along those lines, so don’t expect a warm reception to your post, lol
/r/ExRedPill04/12/24 11:42 PM
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It’s not even gender specific. I have heard the same advice gender-neutrally back in south Asia. It sounds weird and I can’t imagine being with someone unattractive, but I think it isn’t uncommon especially for women.
/r/ExRedPill29/11/24 01:56 PM
1

That’s fair
/r/ExRedPill28/11/24 07:45 PM
1

While RP claims are silly, your straw-man argument misunderstands their claim. The claim is that desirable men are spoiled for choice and unwilling to commit to woman, which is the claimed rationale for these women settling for other men. Not saying their argument is correct, but intellectual honesty requires you understand an argument before attacking it.
/r/ExRedPill28/11/24 06:17 PM
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Whether its true or not, you are never going to get a straight answer to these sort of questions
/r/ExRedPill28/11/24 04:14 PM
2

It's surprising how easy it is to lose perspective and obsess about the small disappointments when there are people who have lost so much more. I try to remind myself that whenever I find myself angsting about something. I suspect TRPers would be so much happier if they could maintain perspective.
/r/ExRedPill26/11/24 08:09 PM
3

Yeah, that's the episode. I don't remember George realizing the double standard but I watched it a very long time ago.
/r/ExRedPill23/11/24 03:33 PM
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Be Useful:Seven Tools for Life by Arnold Schwarzenegger Edit: Schwarzenegger is obviously an expert on body building AND is the perfect example of positive masculinity. Despite having the looks, body and success of a mythical "Chad" that most men can only dream of, he has the self-awareness and humanity to reject the toxic masculinity that is all too common these days. Should be perfect fit.
/r/ExRedPill23/11/24 01:31 AM
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Great post. Although some of what you wrote is American culture specific. Men crying is not frowned upon in many cultures. Men usually teach young boys that this sort behavior is okay, and that any sort of sexual attention from adult women should be welcomed. There was sitcom starring George Lopez where one of the episodes deals with his very issue. His wife is aghast at her husband’s attitude towards the prospect of their teen son drawing the attention of an adult woman. It was hilarious and so…
/r/ExRedPill22/11/24 09:18 PM
-3

I agree patriarchy sucks. Matriarchy would be better.
/r/ExRedPill21/11/24 11:31 PM
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I have never heard anyone say that, not even anyone in the manosphere. Do you have an example ?
/r/ExRedPill21/11/24 11:29 PM
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https://tenor.com/view/good-gif-18815102
/r/ExRedPill18/11/24 01:57 AM
1

The point is women don’t desire men as much as men desire women.
/r/ExRedPill16/11/24 03:12 AM
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of course women crave to be touched and loved by men (if they're straight women) I don’t buy it. Women aren’t touch starved as men. Women have close friendships with other women where platonic physical contact is normalized, unlike men. It’s mostly men who come here whining about not being able to touch women. I can tell you are probably redpilled with that belief you hold. lol, you accuse me of redpill and then say things that RP would approve: Most women want to… love a man… foundation for the…
/r/ExRedPill15/11/24 12:00 AM
1

Even in cultures that actively looked down on romantic love (and there absolutely were/are some and it usually had to do with misogyny), it's treated like a temptation to overcome. Look at the US today and tell me if it looks like most men are capable of feeling love towards women, given how eager they are to deny women medical care and consent.
/r/ExRedPill14/11/24 06:32 PM
1

Thanks for calling me out on intellectual honesty and for being civil. It's a cultural cornerstone, sometimes to the point of worship, considering all the art, stories, and discussions about it through all of human history. Including my own culture which I always found obnoxious. For one thing, the ode to romance in ancient literature in my culture (which we had endure in language class) is always from men. I don’t trust anything a man says about sex-adjacent topics because it’s often a euphemis…
/r/ExRedPill14/11/24 05:52 PM
2

I think it’s FOMO, since I seem incapable of understanding this adoration. It’s probably real given all the claims, although I am skeptical it’s as widespread as the claims make it out to be. Even if a subset of people experience it, the others have an incentive to pretend to feel it too for social points. Edit: the older I get, the more these things seem like childish things fit for teenagers and such, if that makes sense
/r/ExRedPill14/11/24 03:04 AM
1

Sorry, didn’t mean to bother you. Didn’t realize we have argued before. You are welcome to block me, if you want, so I don’t accidentally reply to your comments
/r/ExRedPill14/11/24 02:16 AM
1

This sounds so much like a gender flipped post from the manosphere guys whining about not experiencing a woman’s touch that I’m wondering if you are a troll. I wasn’t aware women yearned for a man that much. Anyway, I hope you find what you are looking for.
/r/ExRedPill12/11/24 11:28 PM
-1

How would you know that?
/r/ExRedPill12/11/24 10:01 PM
-1

Also love is a thing. It’s demonstrably real, it has physiological symptoms and we can pick it up on brain scans. It’s obviously real for parents towards their kids, since that has a clear evolutionary purpose. It’s less clear that it is a thing between sexual partners
/r/ExRedPill12/11/24 09:57 PM
1

alone and miserable Why does being alone have to mean miserable ?
/r/ExRedPill12/11/24 09:11 PM
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I'm talking about all those mega-rich guys or handsome "chads" models who believe in redpill and talk about it openly. What does this prove? If someone is already rich and/or handsome why does their belief in red pill mean anything to men who aren’t rich or handsome?
/r/ExRedPill12/11/24 03:08 AM
1

I don’t think so. Joint family hasn’t been a thing for at least a couple generations, as far as I know from my urban upbringing. The only place I have seen it is in old movies and I’m not young. Maybe it still exists in villages. Patriarchy is the likely cause of sexism and misogyny, as can be seen throughout the world.
/r/ExRedPill10/11/24 06:34 PM
1

Never heard of them. I agree with your sentiment. Environmental destruction is driven by population growth. While the rate of growth is falling , global population is expected to stabilize at 12-18 billion which is a lot. Especially if all them are increasing their carbon footprint. I would like to see 4B take off in India but it’s unlikely in any appreciable numbers. Keep in mind that the vast majority of Indian women have been raised to not question gender roles. They would face stiff harrasme…
/r/ExRedPill10/11/24 01:56 AM
1

No, I'm in the US.
/r/ExRedPill09/11/24 10:33 PM
1

I wasn’t expecting a fellow Indian :-) Should be interesting to see the consequences of their vote over the next four years.
/r/ExRedPill09/11/24 09:10 PM
1

If I was a young woman that’s exactly what I’d do. The future will be interesting. Edit: Though it seems there is not enough solidarity among women as much as feminists hope.
/r/ExRedPill09/11/24 07:05 PM
1

I read about that. However I see contradictory claims from progressives and right wingers. The 4B movement seems like a natural outcome of misogynist laws and attitudes. If I was a woman I would definitely join 4B. But I hardly know of any woman in the real world who adopts 4B. If anything all the young women I know are eager to jump into marriage (I’m south Asian, so there is a cultural skew). But it seems half the white women population in the US is happy to vote for losing their rights and fo…
/r/ExRedPill09/11/24 07:00 PM
2

I have encountered the same thing but I don’t hold it against them considering how much unfairness women have to put up with. It can be annoying when a woman online assumes I am a right-winger just because I don’t completely agree with them, but the assumption is understandable.
/r/ExRedPill08/11/24 11:39 AM
1

It’s odd because I have internalized misandry and see women as better people EDIT: And you are correct. Her husband is a red-pill type who cheated on her
/r/ExRedPill08/11/24 03:04 AM
1

Agreed. I despise what this country has become. But I still have to live in it and survive. I’m too old to re-immigrate. I also feel gaslighted. If even women don’t care about women’s rights, what hope do I have for making meaningful change.
/r/ExRedPill06/11/24 10:39 PM
1

I would assume so. But I don’t understand the people in this country though, especially the women who voted with no regard to their own safety and the safety of other women. So I am not confident I can predict how women will react
/r/ExRedPill06/11/24 09:03 PM
1

Agreed. But we have to deal with the reality
/r/ExRedPill06/11/24 09:00 PM
1

I’m flattered, lol
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 06:56 PM
1

Sad
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 05:02 PM
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Again, I don’t understand why you are obsessed with how women view my comment. I already said I wasn’t looking for a woman’s “love” or respect. I am not interested in romantic attraction. I DO NOT CARE what women find attractive. Is that clear enough?
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 05:02 PM
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Maybe he needs exposure to like classical stocism I was going to say exactly this. No one who understands actual stoicism is going to be impressed by something as cringe as RP
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 11:48 AM
1

So you somehow know how most women felt about my comment? I wasn’t aware most women even read of my comment.
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 11:40 AM
5

It cognitive dissonance at its finest
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 03:08 AM
2

are you actually interested in a relationship with a woman, I am in one relegating yourself to a frenzied masturbator? I much prefer masturbation to sex. More enjoyable and without the hassle of coordinating/pleasing the woman. I don’t understand why you are giving me advice on women when I never asked for it. My post was clearly about how some women are callous about other women’s safety. It wasn’t about attracting women.
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 03:06 AM
1

This is insightful, thanks
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 02:55 AM
1

Yeah, unfortunate
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 12:30 AM
1

you think women find that attractive? I don't care? focus on your personal behaviors that are a massive turn off to 99% of women. Again, I don't care.
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 12:29 AM
2

Yes, I have been forced to accept this
/r/ExRedPill03/11/24 06:15 PM
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Now that you mention it, I have also been appalled to realize that there are some absolute pieces of shit among my own immigrant community who cheer for Trump. It’s been a sobering thing to face up to, even though I should have known
/r/ExRedPill03/11/24 06:14 PM
6

Anyone who “others” me and wants to place a government between my body and my doctor is a piece of shit. Agreed
/r/ExRedPill03/11/24 06:11 PM
5

Yes, it’s disgusting that harming women and minorities seems to be the driving motivation for some voters. Thanks for the link. I want to look them up but I might get depressed
/r/ExRedPill03/11/24 06:09 PM
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A lot of the support won't publically announce that it's there to combat the great replacement and get white people to start having more kids and turn the tide on the country's increasingly non-white demographics but don't think for one second that kind of thinking isn't underpinning policy. It very much is This is what I suspected as the real unspoken motivation to ban abortion. The weird thing is it is likely to have the opposite effect. Since white women aren’t immune to miscarriage and other…
/r/ExRedPill03/11/24 06:06 PM
1

That’s true
/r/ExRedPill03/11/24 01:00 PM
4

If you don’t have much interest in women anymore, why does any of it bother you?
/r/ExRedPill01/11/24 02:22 AM
1

Thank you for the compassionate response. I must clarify that I am an older man in my fifties and you are absolutely right that I am unsuitable for the kind of relationships idealized in western society. However I didn’t realize that until I started browsing on Reddit. In my ignorance I have been married for more than a quarter century, for better or worse. It didn’t occur to me there could be any motivation other than validation or sex for getting into one. I am very shallow as you point out an…
/r/ExRedPill28/10/24 01:55 AM
2

Who will be interested in them as human beings I never managed to figure this out. My primary motivation was validation.
/r/ExRedPill27/10/24 09:44 PM
0

Sure. But what’s that got to do with love?
/r/ExRedPill24/10/24 01:33 PM
2

but she will be interesting to YOU. And that's what real love is all about. Can you explain why finding someone interesting is related to real love? For example women like Katherine Johnson or Heidi Lamar would be super interesting to me, but that wouldn’t elicit feelings of “love”. Admiration, yes.
/r/ExRedPill23/10/24 11:01 PM
6

As the commenter above said, what you are feeling is FOMO combined with the belief that promiscuity is some kind of achievement. But why exactly? I suggest adopting the sour grapes mindset. To paraphrase Marcus Aurelius, sex is nothing but rubbing genitals followed by a seizure. Why is it an achievement? Because someone lets you do it with them? Would someone letting you urinate with them also be an achievement? If you unpack the things we value, they don’t always hold up
/r/ExRedPill21/10/24 05:33 PM
9

This is exactly right. FOMO + putting value on arbitrary things
/r/ExRedPill21/10/24 05:26 PM
5

men being overrepresented among predators Which makes me view men in these roles with default suspicion, whether that’s unfair or not.
/r/ExRedPill20/10/24 04:31 PM
2

I agree with the spirit of your comment. Although I had assumed that men typically don’t take on “nurturing” jobs because men aren’t trusted in that role. For e.g. a male teacher or nurse is treated with suspicion of being a predator by default compared to women in those professions, and for good reason. This would naturally discourage even well-intentioned men from pursuing these professions. Do you disagree? The truth is no one trusts men, not even men themselves.
/r/ExRedPill20/10/24 02:22 AM
2

Your argument is not coherent. Is this a free will vs determinism debate? Why does it matter whether a particular behavior is “biologically driven” or not?
/r/ExRedPill16/10/24 12:29 PM
1

No idea how my wife would feel about it, since I haven’t discussed it. Until I started lurking in this sub a few years ago, it would not have occurred to me that arousal and emotional connection were in any way related. As to how it affects my marriage, what yard stick should I use? By western standards of Reddit my marriage would be considered a farce since I did not go through the stages of courtship and romance that seems to be a requirement for a bonafide relationship. Apparently my sexual e…
/r/ExRedPill16/10/24 01:57 AM
1

She thinks for two week course on sex therapy in the 80s given to her as training to be a probation officer qualifies her any any way to make the claims. That was bit odd, I agree. she has mental health issues that prevent her from experiencing sexual arousal with someone who she is emotionally connected. I was asking because I have the same issue.
/r/ExRedPill14/10/24 01:22 PM
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Sounds like a first world problem since most men don’t have the luxury of having a string of meaningless sex with several different women. I hope you find the LTR are looking for.
/r/ExRedPill14/10/24 02:35 AM
1

Is it possible that sex exists that is shallow and sex exists that is not? Um… no? This is literally what Marcus Aurelius had to say about it: Or making love—something rubbing against your penis, a brief seizure and a little cloudy liquid. Perceptions like that—latching onto things and piercing through them, so we see what they really are. That’s what we need to do all the time—all through our lives when things lay claim to our trust—to lay them bare and see how pointless they are, to strip away…
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 10:29 PM
5

In general, it is emotionally exhausting to hate or fear any group of people regardless of whether it is justified or not. There are better things to focus on for the sake of mental health.
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 10:23 PM
1

Well, sex is shallower than connection. It isn’t obvious to me what one’s got to do with the other
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 07:31 PM
1

I have avoided using the word “romance” for this reason, and simply asking about the mechanism of sex vs connection
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 07:10 PM
1

Oh I’ve been married for a long time. I’m just trying to understand why I have failed, why I am unable to relate to what Reddit thinks relationships should be and to come to terms with it.
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 06:02 PM
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Congratulations on leaving your conservative religious beliefs behind. It can’t have been easy to critically question what you were taught growing up. is super charged about trans people I’m puzzled why a tiny fraction (1% ?) of the population are suddenly a punching bag in Republican politics? I am in my mid-fifties and have met a grand total of one trans person in my life (that I know of). I assume it is the same for most people. Why get worked up about a historically marginalized minority who…
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 05:57 PM
1

I see. Thanks for the clearer description than any I have yet seen. I suspected a feedback loop simply because some comments said connection causes good sex and some said vice versa. This raises a deeper question of goals. Should someone who hasn’t experienced this try and seek this out? My “research” is partly driven a need to understand my own failures in sex and relationship. But now I wonder if this is any different than an asexual person having FOMO over not experiencing sexual desire.
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 05:28 PM
1

but the connection is the best thing about sex. The feeling of being deeply intertwined with someone, of hyperfocusing on your shared pleasure--that's what makes for great sex. Can you elaborate? This is the crux of issue that I’m failing to imagine. None of the erotica I’ve read portrays this. Any fiction recommendations that demonstrate this?
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 04:19 PM
1

Have you any guesses about why sex and connection seem like they can’t go together for you? There are two issues. First, I associate connection with platonic relationships. Such as with close friends. Mixing it with sex seems like a strange idea. Second, even if they are mixed, I am not able to grasp how sex would be improved by connection.
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 04:16 PM
0

Even over the age of 60, 70 and even 80. How is it possible to even get it up at 70? Viagara? profound connection. I came across this article because I was trying to understand how sex could possibly be related to connection. An emotional gap that I can’t get my head around. Atleast for me, connection is synonymous with “plantonic”.
/r/ExRedPill13/10/24 02:24 PM
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The vast majority of people have never heard of RP.
/r/ExRedPill03/10/24 02:14 AM
1

That’s why I put “rules” in quotes, so I agree they aren’t reality. I am an older married man, so it’s not relevant to me. I was just sympathizing with a fellow Asian (Asian as in continent, not race). only be willing to date women who like doing the same things. I never understood this. Why should a partner like doing the same things as we do? Men aren’t trying to find a buddy. Like, if you find yourself being attracted to white blonde girls, or only skinny girls with big tits, or only highly d…
/r/ExRedPill03/10/24 02:11 AM
4

What we really need is to reclaim our masculinity in a way that works for us, that’s empowering and true. Do you have any ideas? As a south Asian man, I feel for you. I am the opposite of an expert when it comes to dating in the US, so this me speculating. I think Asian men should not play by the “rules” framed by RP since their view of masculinity depends on physical height and stature that on average favor them compared to Asian men. Asian men should double down on their own strengths whatever…
/r/ExRedPill30/09/24 09:32 PM
-1

women will flock to you. This seems hyberbolic. Women don’t flock to anyone
/r/ExRedPill30/09/24 02:41 AM
1

The conventional wisdom in this sub is that women are repulsed by older men. So why isn’t she?
/r/ExRedPill30/09/24 02:38 AM
1

Ok. What is your fundamental disagreement?
/r/ExRedPill30/09/24 02:36 AM
1

That wasn’t quite what I meant. I ask myself why any woman bothers getting into a relationship with any man unless she is being coerced or gaslit.
/r/ExRedPill29/09/24 02:41 AM
1

Does she make you feel like you don't deserve her Not at all. But she yells at me whenever she ends up taking on too much of the mental or physical labor of the household and feels overburdened, which is my cue to step up. If I say “why didn’t you ask for help before” her response is “you should know to pull your weight in mental and physical labor without me telling you”. I’ll never measure up, no matter what i do. But the bigger point is, as someone mentioned earlier, heterosexual relationship…
/r/ExRedPill29/09/24 02:34 AM
1

Do you think this was a gotcha No? Quite the contrary. I couldn’t understand the woman’s motivation that’s all. I usually assume women are smarter than that. I'm vaguely wasting time going through my reddit Ha ha, tell me about it. I waste too much time arguing with strangers.
/r/ExRedPill29/09/24 02:21 AM
1

And again, what do you consider adoration? The protectiveness parents feel for their children would qualify as adoration, I think. Or what some fans feel for their favorite celebrity or author. I haven’t seen couples who feel that way about each other, outside romcoms.
/r/ExRedPill27/09/24 10:45 AM
1

Sure. But this is the only explanation I know of that explains why the sex ratio is 50-50.
/r/ExRedPill27/09/24 10:39 AM
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Not sure what the argument is here. I haven’t seen evidence that couples adore each other. Sure they prefer being together, but that isn’t saying much. I appreciate my job but that doesn’t mean i love it.
/r/ExRedPill27/09/24 02:01 AM
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https://science.umd.edu/classroom/biol106/jensen/borgia/syllabus/sexratio/Sexratio.html This is the standard explanation.
/r/ExRedPill27/09/24 12:08 AM
1

I see, thanks :-)
/r/ExRedPill27/09/24 12:04 AM
1

This is true, especially for some non-human animals. But at least for humans the 50:50 gender ratio is supposed to be an evolutionary equilibrium for maximizing a parent’s genes. If the ratio skews towards more women, men increase in demand for breeding and then mothers who produce more sons are selected for. Similarly if the ratio skews towards more men, women increase in demand and mothers who produce more daughters are selected for. So the equilibrium is 50:50. At least that’s my understandin…
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 11:31 PM
2

Ha ha, yes.
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 11:23 PM
1

I have to ask. Why are your smiley emoticons upside down? And more importantly, how?
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 11:18 PM
2

Why not work on fixing your problems instead of blaming a group of people who, by your own admission, you know nothing about? men love idealistically As a man, this is the biggest bullshit I have heard in a while and I hear a lot of bullshit.
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 11:15 PM
1

I mean why portray heterosexual relationships as a positive thing in this sub when it so clearly worsens women’s lives.
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 10:11 PM
2

that’s why we’re seeing more and more women steering away from seeking out relationships with men (at least where I am). Good for them. That hasn’t happened yet in my community which is puzzling . These women are educated with careers and they happily jump into inequitable marriages. Just the very nature of heterosexual relationships will make it inequitable from the start. Exactly. So why promote something that is almost biologically stacked against women?
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 07:25 PM
0

Adoration seems like a stronger feeling than just appreciation. In a romance story you wouldn’t describe the couple as just appreciating each other. That would seem oddly mild
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 05:47 PM
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I think women are good at gaslighting themselves about why their raw deal isn’t that bad. I thank my wife every day for the things she does for me and I try to be specific about what I’m thanking her for so she knows I mean it. Yes, divorce is stigmatized a bit more in my culture than in yours but that’s changing. I do step up whenever I can but it’s not 50-50 for reasons that aren’t fully clear to me. Maybe learned helplessness. No, I don’t wish for my wife to feel that she has to stay if she d…
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 05:44 PM
0

Sure, I agree it says more about me than about your anecdote. But you keep saying “madly, deeply in love” but your story isn’t very convincing. If I understand correctly , your friend is dependent on her husband because she hasn’t gotten her shit together (no judgement, I sometimes don’t have my shit together). That doesn’t sound like a romance novel love story.
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 05:38 PM
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People do genuinely appreciate what they do for each other, yes. But I don’t believe it is accurate to call that love
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 10:41 AM
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But that’s appreciation for what their spouse does which isn’t the same as adoration
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 10:37 AM
0

I agree. I have been married for a long time but if I had a time machine to go back to before I got married I wouldn’t inflict myself on my wife knowing what I know now. But still I wish you happiness and hope you find the adoration you are looking for. Maybe you will be a better husband than most men
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 02:54 AM
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WE STILL CHOOSE TO BE WITH YOU BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU. Sounds more like Stockholm syndrome, just based on what you and every other woman has said here and also what my wife has told me. I have wondered why women keep getting into these relationships and stay in them if it’s such a raw deal. My conclusion is societal expectation and the stigma of divorce. My wife does so much for me and my family, and I can’t believe it’s anything other than the stigma of divorce (and other commitments) that’s keepi…
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 02:49 AM
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They’ve been living together for almost a decade and she’s still completely enchanted by him. This seems hard to believe texts me out of the blue to gush about her man’s smile or habits or just about how much she loves him. You sure she isn’t just bragging like people do on social media?
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 02:25 AM
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How often is the case that a man adores his woman? If men don’t feel wanted other than as a provider it’s probably because they don’t want their wives other than as a utility. You get what you give in a relationship, I assume.
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 02:17 AM
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I’d say that of all the parents there it was obvious that the vast majority of women adored their man. How could you possibly know that? Parents in a school setting do not gaze adoringly at each other. In fact they don’t gaze at each other at all, being busy with kid related duties.
/r/ExRedPill26/09/24 02:11 AM
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How is being a good person or not related to a woman’s desire for her partner?
/r/ExRedPill25/09/24 09:05 PM
1

Got it.
/r/ExRedPill25/09/24 10:34 AM
1

Is there a more appropriate term? I don’t want to say “white women” because it’s a matter of culture not race
/r/ExRedPill25/09/24 02:34 AM
2

I hope you recover your mental equilibrium and find peace. I’ll be honest, I come from a different culture with conservative attitudes towards sex and marriage, so it is common for both men and women to not have a sexual history when they get married (due to stigma and lack of opportunity). So although I can relate to your angst it also seems a bit hypocritical because a sexual past seems a common aspect of your culture for men and women before a serious relationship. That’s why I asked. Perhaps…
/r/ExRedPill25/09/24 02:31 AM
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I did read it? I am just pointing out that everyone starts out without a sexual past. So it isn’t accurate to say that everyone has one.
/r/ExRedPill24/09/24 02:30 PM
-1

As long as her desire for you is genuine, then you're good Seems like too high of a standard
/r/ExRedPill24/09/24 01:44 PM
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everybody has a sexual past Not everybody, since there is a first time for everyone, obviously
/r/ExRedPill24/09/24 01:14 PM
2

If you were aware of her history before getting together, then why is this suddenly an issue? Also, is this your first time with a woman?
/r/ExRedPill24/09/24 01:12 PM
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I assumed OP is a virgin based on how he is going on and on about his wife’s past. But now that you mention it, he is silent on that, isn’t he. Hypocrisy truly has no bounds, lol
/r/ExRedPill24/09/24 12:58 PM
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What dogwhistle am I propagating? All I meant was I didn’t grow up in the west although I live there now, so I don’t know many western women personally. I wasn’t implying anything racist or sexist.
/r/ExRedPill24/09/24 12:53 PM
1

I lack the experience of talking to many women (especially western women), so it’s easier to slip into stereotype thinking.
/r/ExRedPill23/09/24 10:35 PM
1

Yes, I understand
/r/ExRedPill23/09/24 10:31 PM
2

I was never a RP person either, but I have high anxiety. The discourse has changed the way I view people, often in negative ways. For example, I catch myself classifying women as a “Stacy” or a “Becky” (as stupid as it sounds) and making assumptions about them based on the way they look. And coming from a conservative culture where dating was non-existent in my youth, I sometimes find myself feeling FOMO jealousy towards western “Chads” for all the hookups that they allegedly have. Nevermind tha…
/r/ExRedPill22/09/24 02:57 AM
2

I agree and I should know better.
/r/ExRedPill21/09/24 02:33 PM
1

Agreed Nuzzi is a conservative writer, Oh... that would explain a lot Also, that "black and white" mindset will work against you in other parts of your life if you keep using it. I do have this bias of subconsciously making assumptions about people by appearance. I am aware this is more about me (and my shallowness) than about them, but it's hard to shake it.
/r/ExRedPill21/09/24 02:32 PM
1

Sadly true Edit: Oh it's 9 billion now? I still have 6 billion in my mind from my youth, lol
/r/ExRedPill21/09/24 02:24 PM
1

Agreed
/r/ExRedPill21/09/24 02:24 PM
1

I have heard about worker co-ops in Basque region, but I assume there is a reason why they are so rare? I will read up on this. So I wouldn't take working conditions under, say, the USSR or China as evidence that socialism/communism does not produce better quality of life. But that’s the only real world examples we have and the verdict has been universally terrible. Not saying you are wrong, but a new terminology may be necessary to distinguish worker-owned economies that hardly exist in the rea…
/r/ExRedPill20/09/24 06:54 PM
0

The ‘Stacy’ trope wouldn’t be so appealing if men weren’t already subconsciously making assumptions about women based on their appearance. I know it’s stupid, but it’s a hard habit to shake.
/r/ExRedPill20/09/24 06:43 PM
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It shouldn’t matter. It aggravates me to see someone fitting a RP caricature even if such behavior is rare
/r/ExRedPill20/09/24 05:27 PM
2

Yes, well said. For every person who acts like a manopshere caricature, there are millions who don’t. It’s confirmation bias. I should know better.
/r/ExRedPill20/09/24 05:26 PM
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I know, but it’s so seductive in it’s (probably) misleading simplicity by binning people by appearance
/r/ExRedPill20/09/24 05:23 PM
2

I think they want us sll to work a lot bc then we are to tired to question the system. I think it’s CEOs being outdated control freaks. Like forcing employees back to office despite remote working being objectively better for most people and for carbon emissions. This world is a dark age shithole
/r/ExRedPill18/09/24 10:08 PM
1

When humans gave up the hunter gatherer lifestyle and became farmers, they gave up quality of life for quantity to feed a large population. We have been caught in that trap. There is no conspiracy.
/r/ExRedPill18/09/24 04:39 PM
1

Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell Sapiens by Yuval Harari
/r/ExRedPill18/09/24 04:36 PM
0

It seems the real issue is not capitalism but the toxic quality of life from long work hours? As far as I know the working conditions under any other form of government wasn’t any better. Edit: who builds their wealth by stealing the value created by your work I have wondered why it’s so hard for individual workers to create value by themselves. Unless it’s a startup most people are forced to work for large corporations.
/r/ExRedPill18/09/24 04:27 PM
2

I can’t imagine why anyone would object going to 6 hr work day. Everyone knows the productive work gets done in 4 hrs and the rest is just going through the motions. It’s baffling how people are resistant to better quality of life
/r/ExRedPill18/09/24 04:22 PM
2

This is an excellent point that isn’t discussed often. Humans weren’t meant to work like robots for 8 hours a day. Shorter work days even with lower pay would give a much better quality of life. I’m not sure why corporations insist on 8 hr days when a shorter work day would give them the same productivity at potentially lower cost. Unfortunately six billion or more can’t go back to being hunter gatherers. This is the agriculture trap that Yuval Harari talks about. People traded quality for quant…
/r/ExRedPill18/09/24 04:05 PM
2

You have described the manosphere mindset accurately, I think. But even within that worldview I am not sure if it works the way they claim. Unless they are billionaires their “value” isn’t high enough to attract anyone I think.
/r/ExRedPill15/09/24 06:00 PM
1

No post on Reddit counts as verifiable evidence unless it’s about people known to the public. This seems obvious. This doesn’t mean assuming every single post is lying but it does mean that they can’t be used as an evidence in understanding human behavior. Even if they were true, we cannot know how common that is in the general population. Incidentally this is also the reason why manosphere claims of success using RP tactics is untrustworthy. I wasn’t suggesting anyone expose their identities.
/r/ExRedPill15/09/24 04:17 PM
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This is what I find heartbreaking and mind boggling. How could any dad withhold contributing to his own child’s welfare. Unless the dad has good reason to think the mom is negligent and squandering the money in which case he should fiight for custody. There can’t be an excuse for abandoning their own child
/r/ExRedPill15/09/24 01:59 AM
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I’m not excusing the marginalization of anyone. But there’s a difference in anecdotal evidence from someone verifiable in the real world vs. a stranger on the internet who cannot be verified.
/r/ExRedPill15/09/24 01:52 AM
1

Oh I never held RP beliefs though. I’m here for “academic” and social reasons. I like the people here, even if they don’t like me very much, lol. I have changed by being here over the years but that’s only when the logic makes sense on its own merit. But I won’t accept anecdotal claims as evidence when there’s no way verify it in the real world
/r/ExRedPill15/09/24 01:02 AM
2

Agreed. Also, If wealth and looks actually gives older men extra options then there’s some logic to the term value. But I’m not sure if that’s true either
/r/ExRedPill15/09/24 12:51 AM
2

I agree with everything you wrote. The term “value” when used for people is so undefined that it doesn’t mean anything. When a man claims his value is high, what does that even mean? That he is more desirable to women? That’s not true for most men unless they are celebrities. The average woman is more desirable to men than vice versa, so by that metric women have higher “value” than men.
/r/ExRedPill14/09/24 05:50 PM
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Oh, of course. I enjoy the drama, myself. What I’m trying to look at is where exactly the disagreement is. I always felt a large factor is the ambiguity of natural language vs. the formal language of math. For e.g. when someone says “every man/woman is different” which is true but not precise enough. Are they saying everyone is randomly different in all attributes OR different in some attributes but same in others? After all most people here have very specific ideas of what constitutes a healthy…
/r/ExRedPill14/09/24 12:36 PM
1

I agree. I’m just saying people have an emotional resistance to letting go strongly held toxic beliefs
/r/ExRedPill14/09/24 12:22 PM
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You should not pay any attention to it, any more than to any other toxic ideology like racism.
/r/ExRedPill13/09/24 11:44 PM
1

yet women are still willing to be with men. Um, why? I see young women jumping into marriage and I never understood why. Is it societal expectation?
/r/ExRedPill13/09/24 12:35 AM
1

On a side note, what does romantic desire even mean ? I never got that
/r/ExRedPill12/09/24 06:24 PM
1

These are toxic and self-defeating beliefs without much evidence to support them. Do you understand what people are saying about the impossibility of drawing statistically valid conclusions based on Reddit posts? Especially true since most Reddit posts are by LARPers posing as women for rage baiting the manosphere.
/r/ExRedPill12/09/24 06:17 PM
1

My thinking is similar. I find it weird and a bit creepy to mix sexual attraction and friendship. But it looks like people like us are in the minority going by all the downvotes
/r/ExRedPill12/09/24 04:30 PM
2

You are twisting the definition of “settled for” so much it’s meaningless
/r/ExRedPill12/09/24 04:27 PM
3

Looks like insecurities, since the OP says clearly that his girlfriend us great
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 12:32 PM
1

I agree that seems weird. Hopefully that was poor phrasing and not a suggestion to cheat. I understand your distaste.
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 12:29 PM
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I don’t think that’s what the person you are arguing with was saying. Although he does use a lot of RP terminology, so it’s ambiguous. If I’m interpreting correctly he is just telling the OP to not be anxious since OP can find another partner if his current one leaves. Could have been phrased better
/r/ExRedPill09/09/24 01:21 AM
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The sheer hypocrisy of complaining about woman’s count being >1 when your own count >1.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/24 08:07 PM
1

I’m sorry you feel this way. As long as your views make sense to you then other people’s opinion shouldn’t affect you. In fact, if you think about it a bit, you might come to the realization that most vociferously shouted claims are not defined with enough precision to be meaningful. For example, take an hypothetical claim that a racist or a misogynistic might hold which can be stated as “X group of people are superior/inferior to Y group of people.” Now what does this actually mean? Superior/in…
/r/ExRedPill06/09/24 07:50 PM
3

Men should put more effort into loving themselves and self care instead of worry about whether women will love them or not. Be true to your values regardless of how your partner responds to it. If you value showing affection, then show affection without worrying how your partner will react. You can only control your choices, not other people
/r/ExRedPill02/09/24 08:05 PM
3

The ideology certainly overlaps with eugenics values, just like Hollywood beauty standards pushed by the cosmetic industry. But calling it an agenda makes them seem more proactive than they are. It’s not like they have the power to implement anything. Unless you mean manosphere ideas will make men self-select themselves out of the gene pool?
/r/ExRedPill02/09/24 07:59 PM
1

My question is as to how people become attracted to someone over time based on their personality and stuff? I don't how to do that. I'm 22M, will it require me to mature further to become that sort of person? I’m 55M and never matured into that sort of person. From what this sub says it’s supposed to be like friendship turning into attraction, or something like that. If you figure it out, let us know.
/r/ExRedPill31/08/24 10:05 PM
3

I don’t look at YouTube recommendations, so I don’t even know what is being recommended. But couldn’t you browse incognito? That should flummox the algorithm
/r/ExRedPill29/08/24 07:02 PM
2

It isn’t officially a debate sub, yes. But debates are part of the discourse. If people were only allowed to spout the official dogma then there is no need for any discussion.
/r/ExRedPill25/08/24 03:22 PM
1

Dude, I’m just giving an explanation why the toxic manosphere phenomenon occurs much more among men than women. I wasn’t speaking for every single man, but I was said is true on average.
/r/ExRedPill25/08/24 01:46 PM
1

Why is the discussion suddenly about me? I just gave an explanation to the OP question on why the manosphere exists in the first place. What did I say that qualifies as shit? I just said men and women have differences in sexual behavior that has biological roots. Why does that warrant insinuations about my desirability to women? You haven’t offered any evidence that it is purely a social phenomenon either
/r/ExRedPill25/08/24 01:42 PM
2

Debates on this sub turn to ad hominem attacks sooner or later. Predictable
/r/ExRedPill25/08/24 01:36 PM
-1

Yes, of course , I agree. But that isn’t contrary to what I’m saying. The fact that most violence is committed by men is also rooted in biology. As is the fact that men have a stronger sex drive. It’s all part of the same nasty package
/r/ExRedPill25/08/24 01:59 AM
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Because it never ends. There will always be some reason that men don’t measure up , which causes the woman to “lose” desire.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 10:05 PM
0

Provided it’s with a person they like and feel comfortable around. That’s the constraint. Men have no such constraint. Hence the supply-demand gap
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 09:51 PM
1

Yes, men should be better as a matter of principle. But the incompatibility between men and women has biological roots which cannot be wished away by simply being better
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 09:49 PM
0

It is not a woman problem, just lack of compatibility between men and women. Not blaming women for their lack of interest in men
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 07:24 PM
0

From what I’ve seen, the goalposts keep changing when it comes to women and sex. Women understandably fear men because of the male tendency to violence. But even if that wasn’t an issue, it will be something else, such as how elusive the female organsm is and how the man needs the PhD to learn how to simulate the clitoris correctly. If it wasn’t that it will be lack of communication. Or a lack of connection. Or a lack of intimacy. Or the woman taking on all the emotional labor. Or… you get the p…
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 06:38 PM
0

I have never complained about misandry since I am a misandrist. I can’t speak for other men
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 06:00 PM
-1

The manosphere exists filled with “thirsty” men. Most sex workers are women catering to “thirsty” men. There is no equivalent phenomenon among women except in much smaller numbers. That tells me all I need to know regardless of studies
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 05:59 PM
-5

It is a valid description of reality. Your arousal or lack of is irrelevant.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 05:52 PM
1

lol, what
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 05:50 PM
1

I admit I was oversimplifying. Even among apes there are vast differences in sexual behavior. Gibbons are monogamous while bonobos are not. So reality is more complex than my simple explanation. But whichever gender puts in more parental investment in gestation and child rearing will be more picky about mates and less incentivized to have a toss in the hay. This principle is generally found to be true
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 04:58 PM
1

I am sorry about your suffering. Did not mean to open old wounds. My apologies.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 04:48 PM
-1

We are animals. Apes specifically. We are not angels divorced from the rest of animal kingdom. Atleast not yet. Someday we will transcend our biological substrate but that’s in the far future. Parental investment explains most of the sexual behavior differences between men and women.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 04:45 PM
0

But it’s asymmetrical. There isn’t anything comparable in size to the burgeoning manosphere who are desperate for women while simultaneously hating them
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 04:42 PM
6

I guess some men don’t know how to obtain it in a healthy way? Or don’t want to put in the effort to court a woman and get into a LTR.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 04:38 PM
-4

Believe whatever you want. The evidence clearly says otherwise
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 04:35 PM
-8

I didn’t think my explanation was even controversial. Seems like common knowledge. The manosphere exists. There is no equivalent womanosphere filled with women lusting after and hating men. There is a clear asymmetry here. Now you can claim it’s all due to socialization but there is a clear biological component which makes men shittier than women, even if this sub jumps through hoops to deny it.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 04:32 PM
0

It’s true though. EDIT: Women tolerate the men in their lives because they live in a patriarchy where they have to humor men to survive.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 04:28 PM
0

Also it's not hard for most men to get, that's chronically online bullshit. No, not in a way that addresses the need for validation. You can believe whatever you want but there are basic biological reasons related to parental investment in mammals that make sex more desirable to males than females. Counterpoint You can speculate about counterfactuals all day long, but that’s not reality.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 02:32 PM
11

I think so too, as a man, after some introspection. At least that’s the reason I desired sex in my youth
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 02:25 PM
20

Men desire sex much more than women do, especially with strangers. This creates a gap in supply-demand. Since it’s hard for men to convince women to have sex, it is put on a pedestal and men’s sense of validation is tied to obtaining sex regardless of whether they actually enjoy it
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 01:37 PM
1

If you say so. I’d rather spend time developing useful skills than trying to get women to “love” me. I am not being deliberately misogynistic. I am just indifferent to what women think of me.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/24 01:00 PM
0

That’s what I was wondering too, lol
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 07:53 PM
-3

No such thing as a lovable man, lol
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 07:51 PM
1

True. Most of us are wage slaves
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 07:17 PM
1

When you say gender is a social construct, you mean something other than biological sex-related anatomical differences, right? I wish there was a clearer way to phrase it because its prone to being misinterpreted. On a side note, when I posted in this sub asking how best to look past someone’s gender , I got downvoted. For a sub that agrees gender is a social construct, it is oddly hostile to ignoring gender.
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 04:00 AM
1

Isn’t freedom a prerequisite for happiness though?
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 03:54 AM
-1

I was thinking the same thing. You are being downvoted but this is a valid point
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 03:51 AM
1

Hopefully they aren’t too disappointed
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 03:46 AM
2

Yes, it’s hard to take seriously emotions that I can’t relate to. I don’t mean to offend, but I’m skeptical of taking claims of romantic love at face value, especially in the West where people are extremely skilled at marketing themselves in social situations. I can never tell if its a performance or not.
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 03:43 AM
0

I just have a hard time internalizing that women want to be with men for its own sake and not just doing what’s expected of them by society. Especially since women take up a disproportionate share of the labor in a marriage. Why would they accept a raw deal willingly unless they were being duped into it? That’s my confusion.
/r/ExRedPill22/08/24 03:23 AM
7

How is this relevant to anything?
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 09:32 PM
-2

That kind of relationship seems like the most likely outcome of following redpill teachings.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 07:50 PM
1

Marriage has inheritance and tax implications in the US, so it isn’t “just” a matter of convenience.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 07:32 PM
1

You are saying most women are getting married for this reason?
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 06:44 PM
3

I think I’m not as much an outlier as this sub claims. We can make observations on how couples behave but we cannot know for sure what they really feel. It’s all projection based on our own internal states. Miserable people (such as me) see every couple as miserable and happy people see everyone as happy. The reality is probably in between
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 05:52 PM
-4

about how red pillers believe long-term relationships are miserable I’m not a red pilled but there’s some truth to this. Maybe I’m just a miserable person who cannot understand the point of relationships, but I assume it isn’t just me who doesn’t see the point of it
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 05:34 PM
1

What does that actually mean? For example , I am grateful for all that my wife does and has done for me. She cares about my welfare. Is that love? Or is that simply rational behavior for partners with common goals to care about each others’ welfare? I think reality of relationships is more complex than can be described by Hollywood platitudes
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 05:32 PM
4

Good for you. Best wishes
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 05:25 PM
-1

This makes sense, but yet I see financially independent young women willingly enter into marriage. Are these men all offering more than just a paycheck? It seems more likely these women are just following social expectations than anything special from their partners
/r/ExRedPill21/08/24 01:48 AM
2

This. I don’t understand why people need to ask internet strangers to validate their relationship.
/r/ExRedPill20/08/24 02:09 AM
1

I like this Unbiased approach in principle. It’s a lot easier to do this when communication is text only and the person’s voice and appearance is filtered out.
/r/ExRedPill20/08/24 01:51 AM
-1

That’s why I’m asking here, lol. This sub is my free therapy session. The well meaning answers telling me to interact with more women aren’t practical.
/r/ExRedPill19/08/24 01:02 AM
-2

Why are you so sure about that? Reframing a problem can be useful.
/r/ExRedPill19/08/24 12:42 AM
0

If I knew how to decenter , I wouldn’t have made the post. The work around I have is to not look at the woman coworker/acquaintance directly but instead look at the computer screen or whatever subject we are discussing. It works but doesn’t fix the root issue
/r/ExRedPill19/08/24 12:33 AM
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Over the last quarter century ,I don’t think I could have interacted with hundreds of people even if I wanted to. There aren’t that many people I have reason to interact with. I’m not some New York socialite. Other than a few coworkers , I don’t meet that many women for my brain to retrain itself.
/r/ExRedPill18/08/24 11:35 PM
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I’m looking for a mind hack that makes it easier to ignore a person’s gender and focus on other attributes. Talking to people helps but doesn’t directly address that. I suspect this comes more naturally to women than men
/r/ExRedPill18/08/24 09:39 PM
2

I am a man and I understand why men are viewed with suspicion. While not all men are violent , most violence is perpetrated by men. I don’t consider myself a “bad” person and I have no intention of harassing women. But at the same time, I am not comfortable in proximity with female co-workers, for example, because I am always wondering if I can truly trust myself not to think or act inappropriately. I don’t want to find out something unpleasant about myself the hard way.
/r/ExRedPill01/08/24 11:52 PM
2

So should women just stay away from all men That would be recommended if it was practical. But unfortunately it isn’t practical in this patriarchal world.
/r/ExRedPill01/08/24 11:33 PM
1

This assumption that men are just inherently bad and can’t help but mistreat women due to evolution is harmful to both men and women. Even if men are biologically predisposed to violence against women that doesn’t justify it. They can still be held accountable. Biology isn’t destiny. I think it has much more to do with the way men are socialized and the way in which they are raised. Probably. But I notice a reluctance in these spaces to even consider the possibility that men might be inherently …
/r/ExRedPill01/08/24 11:23 PM
1

Women aren’t non-corporeal beings. Being attracted to them includes being attracted to their material existence. You are trying hard to make a sharp distinction that doesn’t exist. you do not represent the views of a majority of men. How do you know? Until the tech improves and the price comes down we don’t know that
/r/ExRedPill01/08/24 11:46 AM
1

Assuming you are male, have you never been attracted to pictures of female models on magazine covers? There is a reason why magazines catering to men tend to feature swimsuit clad women. A realistic sex doll would have similar but much higher appeal to most men for the same reason. Why is this controversial? Edit: more than one commenter here is arguing that that sex dolls are classified as toys, which completely ignores the fact that a realistic sex doll looks a lot like a person than a simple …
/r/ExRedPill01/08/24 02:42 AM
0

Agreed
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 08:16 PM
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You are making a basic error in lumping sex dolls in the same category as other sex toys. Your reasoning is invalid.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 02:21 PM
1

$10k the last time I checked. The most realistic looking ones I mean. Millionaires probably don’t need to get them because they presumably don’t have much trouble attracting real women who are also good looking.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 02:19 PM
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You are correct. Sex with a woman provides validation which a doll cannot provide. So it’s not the same thing. But that doesn’t mean men aren’t attracted to sex dolls which is what the original commenter claimed. That’s what I was refuting.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 03:07 AM
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A realistic doll is way better looking than any flesh light and with full body contact presumably. It’s not remotely comparable.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 03:04 AM
-8

Not if they have easier options. Having sex with a partner is the default evolutionary drive, yes. But our evolutionary drives are easily hijacked for easy gratification without the downsides like pregnancy. Contraceptives for example. Sex dolls are just the next logical development along that direction. Why bother with the hassle of dating and convincing a person to have sex, if its easier to buy a sex doll. The tech isn’t there yet. Too expensive and too much maintenance. So it’s too early to …
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 02:50 AM
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Agreed. Greater parental investment from female mammals leading to very different sexual behavior between males and females of a species is a known phenomenon
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 02:41 AM
0

would be attracted to it in the same way I don’t know what that even means, and I didn’t claim it would be in the “same” way or “as good as”. it’s a very small number of them. Or it’s a very small number who can afford them. Until they get cheaper, there’s no way to know for sure. it’s like saying that a very small number of people are into expensive cars or luxury homes because most people don’t buy those.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 02:39 AM
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What statistics? I don’t think it makes sense to compare women who buy vibrators with men who buy realistic sex dolls. Women aren’t attracted to their vibrators, while its obvious that men buying realistic sex dolls are attracted to them. Ok fine, you don’t want to believe most men would go for a sex doll if they could afford it. I disagree, but I can’t prove it. Let’s leave it at that.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 02:32 AM
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You aren’t wrong. Not sure why you are being downvoted. Although evolution is not an excuse whatsoever for abusive behavior, it does explain why most violence is committed by men
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 01:08 AM
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Women experience all 3 just by staying home alone. Exactly
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 01:04 AM
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I thought the topic was realistic sex dolls , not sex toys in general. I don’t understand why you are suddenly changing the scope to sex toys which isn’t relevant to the original claim. I speculate that if the state of art of sex dolls improves to self-cleaning autonomous robots AND get cheaper, then most men would buy them in a heartbeat.
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 01:00 AM
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Honestly, the fact that you aren't doing these things is probably WHY you suck at sex. I’m pretty sure I suck for other reasons that have a bigger impact. because you can hardly have sex in the first place without communicating with your partner. That’s not exactly what you said earlier. You said a bond was essential for good sex. Obviously communication is required for consent. That’s trivially true. You implied something deeper. By bond if you mean familiarity, then yes, that makes sense. On a…
/r/ExRedPill31/07/24 12:32 AM
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It’s not common place because of the high cost of purchase and hassle of maintenance and storage and eventual disposal. It says nothing about how attractive sex dolls are to most men. Aren’t trends the only evidence we have ?
/r/ExRedPill30/07/24 11:37 PM
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This is just an inherent truth. This sounds dogmatic and I have no reason to think this applies to all or most people. There is no intuitive connection between the quality of sex and social bonding. There are so many other factors that have a bigger impact on quality of sex such as ability to maintain erection, clitoral stimulation, imagination, etc. Do you think people like Keanu Reeves, Bill Gates Well no, because they have no need for validation given their high status in society. Not sure wh…
/r/ExRedPill30/07/24 11:33 PM
3

Women say that all the time in this sub
/r/ExRedPill30/07/24 10:57 PM
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This is why most people wouldn’t be attracted to a very realistic sex doll or something. This clearly isn’t true for men. The barrier is price, not lack of attraction. If I recall, Abyss Creations doesn’t even need to advertise to sell its products.
/r/ExRedPill30/07/24 10:56 PM
1

Most of what you wrote is convincing and is similar to my own conclusions even if it isn’t exactly for the same reasons. I do feel bad that you put in more effort than my comment warrants, so thank you. Ironically most of your criticisms of the RP mindset applies to my own mindset, although I was never RP and never manipulated anyone. At that point, was fixating on having sex with "high quality women" really worth it? No, it isn’t. Masturbation could provide the same result with far less hassle.…
/r/ExRedPill30/07/24 03:18 AM
1

I see. Thanks for the detailed response. It sounds reasonable. Are you saying they lack close bonds with people in general or with sexual partner in particular? It could be a failure of imagination since media doesn’t portray close bonds between men and women in sexual relationships. It can be hard to imagine if you have never seen it and the value of seeking that over seeking a model for her looks may not be obvious to some men.
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 07:25 PM
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Not denying that at all. What isn’t clear is whether people that seem physically unattractive to me are also unattractive to their partner.
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 12:58 PM
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Anytime I see average or below average couples, I cannot comprehend how they can be legitimately attracted to each other and the only conclusions I can come to are that they're either settling or were more attractive when the relationship began. Same here. I am constantly baffled by most couples I see (no insult intended).
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 12:55 PM
0

Attraction and beauty is completely subjective. Is it? It is not obvious to me going by the Eurocentric beauty standard that media is pushing globally, especially in Asia. Only Asian actresses who look like “Stacy” i.e. Nordic features and skin color, makes it to the big screen. This has been the case for the last few decades. It doesn’t make sense from an evolutionary viewpoint, for men to find only one type attractive, but it seems that way sometimes.
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 12:30 PM
1

how pointless and miserable it would be even if their dreams did come true and they managed to score with said supermodel. Why would it be any more pointless or miserable with a model than with any other woman?
/r/ExRedPill29/07/24 12:00 PM
1

Moving to a blue state is obviously good sense short term. I’m worried there won’t be any safe states long term if federal misogynistic laws are used to bully blue states.
/r/ExRedPill22/07/24 07:56 PM
1

It wasn’t too bad twenty years ago, the permanent residence card was issued within a year if I recall. No idea how it is now.
/r/ExRedPill22/07/24 07:53 PM
3

Why waste time debating hardcore anybody? No one is going to change anyone’s mind. Might as well debate a rock.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/24 03:43 AM
2

I would like to, but I have already established a life in the US for decades and I’m too old to be welcome in another country. Hopefully younger people find it easier to move. I wish you the best.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/24 01:58 AM
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Contraceptives can protect from unintended pregnancy, but when pregnancy is planned, the woman is now under increased risk of dying or being arrested.
/r/ExRedPill21/07/24 01:55 AM
3

Yeah, Canada is an obvious option, but it’s a fraction of the economy of the US. Not sure if its viable for large numbers of young women to move there.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/24 08:07 PM
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Exactly, women who are planning a family are at increased risk of dying on the operation table by being denied medical care if things go wrong. It’s already happened. Maybe it’s early, but I haven’t seen evidence that a significant fraction of women are changing the relationship plans. The trend might grow as the political climate worsens, of course.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/24 08:05 PM
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Agreed, that makes sense. But what happens if and when women’s rights are legislated away not just at state level but at federal level. The blue states will resist through lawsuits and such, but there is a realistic scenario where pregnant women won’t be safe anywhere in the US. How will relationships change in such a nation-wide dystopia?
/r/ExRedPill20/07/24 07:16 PM
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The study is actually a couple of articles away. I doubt the OP bothered reading it since he hasn’t even bothered to read the linked article summary which says shorter men have more successful marriages, lol. Literally the opposite of his interpretation. Some men seem determined to be angry about something https://www.nber.org/papers/w20402?utm_campaign=ntw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ntw&_ga=1.186148649.1441157578.1405527496
/r/ExRedPill08/07/24 10:50 PM
1

It’s the truth
/r/ExRedPill08/07/24 10:43 PM
1

Imagine a guy who didn't plan dates or try to make them fun or put in any emotional labor, etc Hey, that’s me!
/r/ExRedPill08/07/24 11:43 AM
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Are you trolling? The study summary does not say that at all. It says shorter men marry at lower rates but are less likely to divorce once they do get married. That’s the opposite of what you are obsessing about for someone in your situation since you are already in a relationship. I am baffled why you would jump to conclusions without even reading what you linked. That’s not even getting into the study methodology and if the conclusions are valid in the first place. For one thing the data minin…
/r/ExRedPill08/07/24 11:29 AM
4

Thanks. I am too old for it to be relevant anymore, but I appreciate the sentiment
/r/ExRedPill08/07/24 12:26 AM
15

Lurking in this sub made me realize that my desire for hot women is more about validation and less about attraction. Unfortunately I never did manage to leave that mindset
/r/ExRedPill07/07/24 10:35 PM
2

Therefore I made it mission to better myself as a potential partner (better emotional intelligence, domestic chores/housekeeping, Yeah… I didn’t do any of that when I got married and my wife was pissed. But that was back in the bronze age. Good for you, though.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/24 01:07 PM
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For instance, here, there's an attempt to demonize and criticize men's preferences. I understand why you might challenge a man's preference for women with I haven't seen this a lot here, unless there is hypocrisy in the man's preference for e.g. when a man wants a virgin wife when he isn't a virgin. This isn't about looks, its about demanding a certain behavior from a prospective mate when one isn't meeting that standard of behavior. hoped that this group would acknowledge that both extremes nee…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/24 04:00 AM
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Thanks for paper. I skimmed it & will read it more carefully later. It's such an age-old fact. Maybe this is unique to the West? I don't see it in Asia where a lot of men are quite short and have no trouble getting wives. And no, tall father does not automatically mean tall kids. A kid can inherit their height from both mother and father. True. But if there really is a universal sexual selection favoring tall men for the past 200,000 years of human evolution, wouldn't that statistically select f…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/24 03:29 AM
1

Glad to meet you! Agreed, it’s frustrating to be told on Reddit that I’m abnormal because I am attracted only to good looks (all the other good traits like kindness and decency are necessary but not sufficient). I value women with great personalities as good friends but couldn’t be attracted to them in a million years. It’s also aggravating to be pitied in a condescending manner for being skeptical about the reality of romantic love.
/r/ExRedPill24/06/24 01:00 PM
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“Look it up” is not an adequate argument. Can you cite an actual paper or an article from a reputed magazine? I have been reading up on human evolution and pre-history for years (National Geographic, books by evolutionary biologists and evolutionary psychologists such as Dawkins and Pinker, etc.) and have never seen a claim that women preferred taller men in pre-history. How would anyone even test that claim? The only thing I can think of is genetic evidence and if taller men fathered most child…
/r/ExRedPill24/06/24 12:53 PM
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Unfortunately, evolutionary biology supports the idea that taller men have it easier. Can you elaborate? I have never heard of any evolutionary biologist or evolutionary psychologist making that claim. Being only 5'7, and living in Scandinavia, where men are, on average, 5'10-6'1, I am your height, but I grew up in south Asia where I am slightly above averge, so i never think of myself as short even though I now live in the west where i am relatively short. I have been in several relationships a…
/r/ExRedPill23/06/24 08:50 PM
-1

I wouldn’t know. This sub claims that attraction is mostly based on connection instead of looks, but I have only ever been attracted to conventionally good looking women, so I don’t know how common what they are claiming is.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/24 08:43 PM
-1

A cope for what? As long as real women aren’t being harassed, what’s wrong with robots? Seems like win-win.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/24 01:41 PM
5

We aren’t talking about physical features but behavioral choices, so it’s not the same thing. But I concede your point. If a virgin woman doesn’t mind marrying a hypocrite then that’s her business.
/r/ExRedPill23/06/24 01:39 PM
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A very similar post was made a week ago and lots of advice received. Assuming you are the same poster, what answer are you looking for now that you didn’t see before? Not trying to be unfriendly. But it seems like you are looking for a specific answer. What is it? Are you looking for permission to break up?
/r/ExRedPill23/06/24 01:34 PM
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But the hypocrisy is the issue here. Wanting a virgin bride when the man isn’t one is sheer entitlement. Why should the virgin bride be interested in a non-virgin husband?
/r/ExRedPill17/06/24 04:21 PM
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If a society has most of its men losing virginity before marriage, then the very logical outcome is that most of its women would also be non-virgin. Correct. These men can’t accept the fact that they are reaping what they sow.
/r/ExRedPill17/06/24 02:06 AM
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Yeah, I don’t pretend to know what any woman likes, or if they like anyone at all. But, if all women wanted to mate only with Conan the Barbarian throughout 200,000 years of Homo sapien pre-history then I would expect most men to look like Arnold Schwarznegger, lol
/r/ExRedPill10/06/24 12:38 AM
3

I assume most responders, like myself , simply lurk here hoping to see interesting posts. If nothing appears for days I sometimes make a post to start a conversation or an argument (either is fine). This sub is my social outlet.
/r/ExRedPill10/06/24 12:34 AM
3

There is some truth to the redpill philosophy of women valuing looks, but it’s no more than men valuing looks As a man, I primarily value looks in a partner, so it would be hypocritical to complain if women do the same
/r/ExRedPill09/06/24 09:52 PM
3

just wish there were posts more often Same. This sub has become sort of a ghost town. Not that many posts these days. Which isn’t necessarily bad. Maybe everyone got cured of RP and don’t find the need to post anymore. That’s one interpretation, lol
/r/ExRedPill09/06/24 09:49 PM
7

If I'm not spiking her emotions and exciting her every 5 seconds, she will get bored of me and leave Is she an oscillator circuit or what, lol
/r/ExRedPill09/06/24 09:46 PM
1

You are making up a strawman. I can only observe real world trends not individual anecdotes. And real world trends show unambiguously that most women aren’t that into sex. Anecdotes are not data.
/r/ExRedPill01/06/24 12:55 AM
0

but your posts very clearly brushed away the idea that both men and women can enjoy sex, Not that many women apparently, otherwise sex workers wouldn’t exist and wouldn’t be predominantly women serving predominantly men
/r/ExRedPill31/05/24 10:28 PM
1

By this logic any friendship is “homoerotic”, lol.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/24 04:24 PM
-1

In theory, perhaps. In practice, I am skeptical if it is ever as clear cut as you say. Consent doesn’t mean enthusiastic consent, especially when there is a power imbalance and in real life there is almost always a power imbalance because of patriarchy.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/24 04:19 PM
0

Women carry all the downsides of having sex with very little upside. So, yes.
/r/ExRedPill31/05/24 02:57 PM
0

Um, OK?
/r/ExRedPill31/05/24 02:56 PM
1

Excellent point. Variation through sexual reproduction is the key to evolution, more so than mutation (which gets overemphasized in popular literature and comics)
/r/ExRedPill30/05/24 05:13 PM
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I suggest learning about evolution from evolutionary biologists instead of YouTubers with a right wing or left wing agenda. caused by the environment turning genes on and off and random mutations, not animals competing for survival or being picky with choosing mates. Anything that affects which genes make it to the next generation affects evolution. This includes sexual selection e.g. peacock’s tail. I don’t know which factors are dominant but sexual selection does have some influence . Again le…
/r/ExRedPill30/05/24 11:36 AM
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I'm just paraphrasing what I have seen repeated here ad nauseum, and which I disagree with. Maybe I exaggerate a bit to make my point, but I'm pretty sure most of this sub will unironically agree with all the points if phrased less mockingly. It's not really a strawman.
/r/ExRedPill30/05/24 02:07 AM
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Men and women have identical sexual behavior/desire. Any sexual differences are entirely due to differences in socialization and nothing to do with male and female hormones Everyone wants/needs romantic relationship and if they don't they are a small minority who don’t know what they are missing and need to be given a special label Sex is better than masturbation because of something called connection. Anyone who disagrees is a narcissist Heterosexual relationships are naturally ordained to be h…
/r/ExRedPill29/05/24 11:11 PM
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Because older men cannot easily get hookups. So the mature thing to do is to focus on attainable goals such as relationships
/r/ExRedPill29/05/24 05:49 PM
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I don’t doubt it. I am not looking to attract anyone though
/r/ExRedPill29/05/24 05:15 PM
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Yes it’s rather tiring to see those posts again and again. I say this as someone who argues a lot here and doesn’t always agree with the party dogma. Even I think whining posts are pathetic
/r/ExRedPill29/05/24 05:13 PM
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But any mature older man would say that, no matter what he really thinks, because that’s more mature than yearning for hookups that are less likely with age. Not sure what “love” has got to do with any of this.
/r/ExRedPill29/05/24 05:09 PM
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I see people say it's misogynistic to want to have options and the ability to date around and I don't get it. I haven’t seen anyone here say this. Who is saying this?
/r/ExRedPill29/05/24 01:22 AM
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Most men wouldn’t give up their family or existing relationship for more hookups, of course. But if given a choice between acquiring a new relationship and more hookups, they would choose hookups. Can’t prove it, I admit, since older men aren’t exactly swimming in options and they take what they can get.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/24 11:52 PM
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Sorry, if I sounded rude, which wasn’t my intent. I was expressing disbelief with the story and with the concept that women “using” men for their looks is a problem in the first place. Most men would be thrilled to have such a “problem”. I understand that to anyone else his problems would be "first world problems" so to speak. That was my gut reaction
/r/ExRedPill28/05/24 10:17 PM
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it's hard for me to believe that the mere fact that someone was born handsome makes him automatically want to have only sex instead of wanting to get into a relationship... That’s not it. Most men whether handsome or not would prefer sex to relationships. But most men aren’t handsome and have to settle for a relationship
/r/ExRedPill28/05/24 08:56 PM
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How terrible for him /s Seriously this sounds like a gender-flipped fairy tale.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/24 08:49 PM
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Men and women are different when it comes to sexual relationships, yes. I don't think that's controversial, at least outside reddit.
/r/ExRedPill28/05/24 01:36 AM
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Sounds like cognitive dissonance
/r/ExRedPill27/05/24 04:46 PM
1

You certainly have a good point.
/r/ExRedPill27/05/24 01:35 PM
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Not sure how this is remotely relevant to my post. Also, it’s funny how any opinion you disagree with gets labeled as “mental illness”, lol
/r/ExRedPill27/05/24 01:32 PM
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The robots are to help avoid men pestering women for sex. Not vice versa. The actual solution is to have conversations with young men Not sure if that's going to enough and to actively enforce good social behaviour. but robots would solve the issue by directing men's attention away from women as sex objects
/r/ExRedPill27/05/24 02:08 AM
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I'm sure what you say is true for some of them. But aren't you doing the same thing that you accuse RP of i.e. not listening/believing when people say what they want? You are making assumptions about what most straight men want while getting annoyed at RP for making similar assumptions about most straight women.
/r/ExRedPill27/05/24 02:04 AM
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What are they lying to themselves about?
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 10:16 PM
3

This sounds like pseudoscience, to be honest.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 07:32 PM
1

they would be more likely to see a woman as a sex object at that point. More likely than they do today? The manosphere wouldn’t exist if men didn’t see women as objects already.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 07:30 PM
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But sex poisons and distorts the entire interaction with women. Removing it from the picture would lead to healthier connection between men and women.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 06:39 PM
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Healthier than seeing a woman as a sex object, I’d think
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 06:36 PM
1

I thought TRP was about manipulating women into sex
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 06:35 PM
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True. If the motivation is validation rather than enjoyment, then robots won’t work.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 06:34 PM
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Sex workers are still women though and cannot help with decoupling sex from women
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 03:17 PM
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Yes, desexualizing won’t work. But directing it to sex bots instead of women, should work
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 03:14 PM
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You could be right and what you say is true today. But what if men are raised in a world where there is a clear separation of roles of sex vs. companionship between sex bots and women? A less toxic version of the madonna/whore complex, if you will. Might that not allow them to internalize women as people. I’m assuming no one is born a misogynist
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 01:39 PM
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Sure, it’s exploited by grifters, but what you said: ultimately it could be fixed if the average man found his courage to talk to women in real life is what I’m referring to. If the subconscious mind sees a person as an object of desire, it may never occur to the guy that he could just talk to women like any other person. It wouldn’t have occurred to me, certainly. Ofcourse, my native conservative culture makes it worse, but it’s kind of the same thing that seems to afflict the manosphere
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 01:35 PM
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Perhaps I should have said ‘connection’ instead of ‘intimacy’. Not sure what the correct vocabulary is to describe seeing a person as a friend instead of object.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 01:31 PM
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Is it? I thought this was an ex-redpill sub, which is to dissuade men from misogyny. It’s not supposed to be a sub for promoting dating
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 11:58 AM
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But this sub makes it seem like romantic relationships are the be all and end all for everyone.
/r/ExRedPill26/05/24 11:14 AM
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I have been married for 25 years, lol. So I suppose I am getting something out of it. I was making a general point about valuing relationships being as arbitrary as valuing hookups. There is a tendency in this sub to hype up relationships. Guess we are mostly on the same page. I am happy for you that you have an awesome relationship. Cheers!
/r/ExRedPill25/05/24 09:35 PM
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I agree that is pathetic. I wasn't thinking specifically about RP, just men in general.
/r/ExRedPill25/05/24 05:00 PM
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I'm saying that if hot men who are misogynistic are struggling to find long term relationships, then where does that leave the ugly men who are misogynistic? They have no hope unless they change their ways. That makes sense, thanks for clarifying A relationship goes much deeper, it's sharing a life with a person. I find it strange I have to describe why that's more meaningful then a one night stand, Isn't this all subjective though? You are projecting your values as universal. Personally I don't…
/r/ExRedPill25/05/24 04:58 PM
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100% agree that sex does not matter whatsoever. What I don't understand is why this sub puts relationships on a pedestal, while (correctly) devaluing sex.
/r/ExRedPill25/05/24 04:44 PM
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I mean if your entire goal in life is to get laid a couple times, then idk what to tell you. You are making this assumption. Just because a man is good looking and getting laid doesn't mean he doesn't have any other goals. they mostly want to just feel love Are you sure or are you just projecting? I notice that this sub has trouble imagining that a man could want anything other than what they want.
/r/ExRedPill25/05/24 04:41 PM
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Exactly. How is the OP post any different than RP talking points?
/r/ExRedPill25/05/24 04:37 PM
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But why would you want just sex? What's the point? Why wouldn't you? What's the point to a relationship? Those hot dudes treating woman like shit are not getting into any relationships, and if they are it's not a healthy happy relationship. No one should be treating anyone like shit. Period. And this seems like a false dichotomy where the good looking Casanova is automatically portrayed as treating women like shit. Why should there be a correlation between looks and misogyny? That's a manosphere…
/r/ExRedPill25/05/24 04:35 PM
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If you are attractive you can get laid a lot, but that isn't gonna help you be in a healthy long term relationship. Why do you assume that a man who is attractive enough to get laid "a lot" even wants a LTR? All you need is to not be a creep, treat woman like humans, take care of your self, and have a bit of confidence. That's it, that's the secret. This should be done regardless of whether it gets the man any relationship benefits because its the right thing to do
/r/ExRedPill25/05/24 04:26 PM
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There are a handful of things that can only be adequately explained by evolutionary psychology. But unfortunately it’s also used as an excuse for all sorts of zero-evidence nonsensical claims in the manosphere.
/r/ExRedPill19/05/24 11:19 PM
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This is the fairest evaluation
/r/ExRedPill19/05/24 11:14 PM
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To add to this, an interesting but unintuitive claim I have seen in literature is that conventionally attractive facial features are actually close to the geometric average of the whole population. Which makes an odd kind of sense when we realize that extreme physical features are actually unattractive. But as you pointed out people speak of “average” to mean mediocre looks which is incorrect
/r/ExRedPill18/05/24 01:26 PM
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Same. I wish I had this mindset 30 years ago. I sort of did but I was influenced by the need for validation and the unrealistic bullshit spewed by movies and older people.
/r/ExRedPill18/05/24 01:48 AM
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This is a very sensible attitude even if most people aren’t capable of this kind of rational thought.
/r/ExRedPill17/05/24 06:44 PM
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Not sure how that’s relevant to the topic.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/24 11:27 PM
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Agreed. The article says the same thing. It’s not an excuse for men
/r/ExRedPill16/05/24 01:40 PM
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Depends on the definition. If human is defined as how well one is able to control animal impulses, then women on average are more human than men.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/24 01:39 PM
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Thanks, but I wouldn’t call it horrible, just shallow. Lol. I’m working on getting rid of feeling attraction for any reason. It gets a bit easier with age
/r/ExRedPill16/05/24 12:27 PM
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That’s fair. Unfortunately I just can’t relate to being attracted to anything other than looks.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/24 12:13 PM
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Good for you, but I’m not sure how that relates to my comment. Changing one’s personality isn’t trivial as this sub makes it out to be is what i was trying to say.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/24 12:05 PM
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Is there reason to think that a good personality can be developed any more easily than good looks can be developed? Not talking about faking a good personality but permanently altering it. I can’t imagine how one would do that. For e.g. one advice I see about being more sociable is to be genuinely interested in people’s experiences. But I just don’t care about other people’s experience. It’s fundamentally not something I care about. I can no more alter my personality than the color of my skin. N…
/r/ExRedPill16/05/24 12:39 AM
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I see. I suspect most women are probably demisexual even if they don’t label themselves as such
/r/ExRedPill16/05/24 12:33 AM
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If someone is attracted to you only because you have a nice body, you are essentially not much more than a doll and replaceable with every other person who has nice assets. So what? Genuine sexual attraction is holistic; So you are gate keeping what counts as genuine attraction? So much personal preference being passed off as universal law in this sub. It’s hilarious
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 05:02 PM
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As a man, I can’t relate to this at all. It’s almost like talking about completely different feelings but using “attraction” to refer to them
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 04:55 PM
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Yeah, in the early days she would buy me games/books that I wasn’t interested in since she couldn’t predict what I was into. These days she encourages me to buy whatever games/accessories I need but she understands that if she buys something that I never use it’s a waste. Same thing when I would buy her dresses she never used, lol. Now we just support each other without buying stuff for each other. For the same reason, I would hesitate to recommend any gaming accessory unless you know for sure t…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 03:54 PM
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If you say so
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 03:48 PM
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You are welcome. I wish you happy bonding over games. And again, no need to force yourself to like games if you aren’t into them. For example, my wife isn’t into video games but she supports my gaming hobby.
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 02:31 PM
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If you are willing to give video games a try, maybe a co-op game that you can play together and bond over, maybe? Only if you like gaming yourself. It’s Ok if you don’t
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 11:36 AM
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Try jacking off to the same photo every day for a week. Let me know how fresh the experience is in 7 days yeah? Can confirm, lol. If people stick around with a 'hot' person, it's because something 'else' keeps them there. Somewhere where a 'personality' might live if you believed in them. I think ‘personality’ is just a catch all phrase. People stick around with hot partners for mundane reasons like validation or inertia. Not necessarily anything deep.
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 11:24 AM
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Love this analogy even if I don’t agree with it
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 11:22 AM
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less than 1% of the population is asexual let alone demisexual and most men here will not even encounter a demisexual woman Just because most women do not officially declare themselves to be asexual or demisexual doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Keep in mind these are fairly recent labels and for most of history asexuals or demisexuals weren’t acknowledged. So the percentage is likely underreported. And most probably wouldn't want to date a demisexual woman. I wouldn't because I want to be wit…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/24 10:52 AM
1

Isn’t this just RP ideology?
/r/ExRedPill14/05/24 09:55 PM
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A lot of unverifiable claims and unwarranted assumptions here
/r/ExRedPill14/05/24 09:52 PM
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Correct, emotion is what drives decision making. Without emotion we cannot know what we care about.
/r/ExRedPill08/05/24 01:14 AM
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but I'll add...what's the point of doing it at all? I’ve been wondering about this myself
/r/ExRedPill06/05/24 05:41 PM
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You don’t have to accept or believe anything that doesn’t make sense to you. And clearly you are smart enough to recognize nonsensical claims. The internet is full of unverifiable claims that shouldn’t stay rent free in our head.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/24 01:37 AM
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Yeah, it’s the same posts being spammed every week. This sub is the most tolerant of the ant-misogyny subs and so it’s an ideal place to spam and argue. Hey, I have indulged in it from time to time. I think this sub tries to be two different things simultaneously: To point out why misogynistic dating ideologies are ineffective and unethical To offer mainstream paths to dating success The first one is more straightforward but even that gets hung up on the assumption that everyone wants an LTR. Th…
/r/ExRedPill05/05/24 12:18 PM
1

I see, thanks.
/r/ExRedPill05/05/24 11:50 AM
1

Thanks!
/r/ExRedPill05/05/24 11:48 AM
1

Thanks. What does clinical setting mean for therapy? In a hospital?
/r/ExRedPill05/05/24 01:03 AM
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Nice to meet a kindred spirit :-)
/r/ExRedPill05/05/24 01:02 AM
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become genuinely interested in their life. That’s a bridge too far, lol
/r/ExRedPill04/05/24 03:39 PM
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That was my point. It doesn’t give me confidence I’m going to get anything out of it. I realize even physicians don’t give due dates but atleast they have a diagnosis.
/r/ExRedPill04/05/24 03:35 PM
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Sure, I’m sure they are very helpful for specific mental health issues. For people whose mental health has been neglected for decades, like myself, they can’t pull out miracles I understand. I read books on CBT and mindfulness and try to self-help. I’m better than I used to be but life is still aggravating. The western world sliding into political darkness/fascism isn’t helping either. Completely ignoring the news helps a LOT. I just want to remain functional long enough to handle my commitments…
/r/ExRedPill04/05/24 02:11 PM
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I see. Good for you!
/r/ExRedPill04/05/24 02:02 PM
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Thanks. I’ll think about what I want out of it which can change over time. Shopping around for the right therapist seems daunting though
/r/ExRedPill04/05/24 01:12 PM
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Nein. My first foray into therapy got interrupted by the pandemic. Wasn’t interested in continuing online therapy which seemed even less genuine than face to face. Mostly because it didn’t feel like the therapist was doing anything. I was doing all the talking. She didn’t ask any questions to attempt a diagnosis like a physician would do. She offered no treatment plan. I didn’t see the point in an open ended “treatment” with no deliverables or due date which would be the bare minimum in any othe…
/r/ExRedPill04/05/24 12:44 PM
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Thanks for the context.
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 07:17 PM
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I simply remind myself that humans are animals (apes to be specific) and I shouldn’t expect anything more than I would from other apes. That makes it more bearable to be around people
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 07:12 PM
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As a man I’m embarrassed at how many men whine in my comments about they have a “need” for sex. <eyeroll>
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 07:09 PM
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Especially relevant when men have legislated away women’s right over their own medical decisions
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 07:07 PM
8

First time I’ve seen the collapse of the wave function applied in this thought experiment. Have an upvote
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 06:44 PM
1

secret to loving someone is actually LIKING THEM. That might explain why I don’t understand romantic love.
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 05:28 PM
1

men show more antagonistic behavior and have a less sociable persona Hey, that sounds like me!
/r/ExRedPill30/04/24 04:54 PM
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Do you usually start name calling anyone who disagrees? How mature of you. Anyway, in the real world outside Hollywood movies a person’s financial status is as valid as any other consideration for attraction. Someone being attracted by a person’s humor doesn’t make them better than someone else being attracted by their wealth. Your personal preferences are not universal values
/r/ExRedPill30/04/24 12:35 AM
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I’ve seen my rich, powerful friends of both sexes be essentially exploited for their financial and social situations by someone who probably wasn’t really that in to them Why is that exploitation if there is no deception involved? Wealth is a valid factor for long term relationships. If a wealthy person is OK with a partner who isn’t “that into them” I don’t see a problem. Most cultures would find this distinction meaningless. people with healthy minds who are in a position to be dating someone,…
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 12:44 PM
1

Of course, Reddit is LARP central. Every anecdote should be considered with a grain of salt
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 12:33 PM
1

But isn’t it more likely that unattractive couples got together for reasons other than attraction? Like companionship or whatever?
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 10:44 AM
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I’m afraid I can’t relate to being attracted to ‘objectively’ unattractive people. Although I don’t see the relevance of whether one is poor or not.
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 01:54 AM
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I see. I can’t relate since I am only attracted to conventionally attractive people.
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 01:49 AM
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One would think that but someone commented how “all cats are grey in the dark” and claimed that attraction isn’t required for sex. So I’m not sure I can reliably draw conclusions by looking at unattractive couples
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 01:39 AM
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Yes this sub has over-representation of certain attitudes due to the nature of the sub. That’s why I am never sure if the anecdotes I hear are representative of the general population
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 01:35 AM
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Isn’t infatuation usually directed at attractive people?
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 01:33 AM
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That's because you have limited experience, Sadly funny since I’m almost certainly much older than you go out in public and see all the lumpy people out at Walmart Sure I see that all the time. Am I to believe that these couples are attracted to each other? Maybe I don’t understand people at all
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 12:19 AM
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Thanks. A lot of women in this sub say they are demisexual and feel attraction solely based on emotional connection. Is that what you think is going on?
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 12:16 AM
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Can I ask if you are a man or a woman? Wondering if this is more common for women.
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 12:02 AM
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Agreed
/r/ExRedPill29/04/24 12:00 AM
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Sorry, what exactly am I not believing? This is an old thread and I don’t recall what I might have said even if your criticism is perfectly valid
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 11:57 PM
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What you say seems to be fashionable on Reddit and I’m happy for you if that works well, but I’m just not used to thinking of sexual relationships as also friendships. In my mind they are mutually exclusive since I’m not attracted to my friends and so the vice versa seems weird for want of a better word. It may not be rational and perhaps I’m just an outlier weirdo. We can’t all be well-adjusted and perfect the way Reddit couples are, lol you have a little trouble grasping that other men can hav…
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 11:48 PM
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Even unattractive people are very attracted to each other in relationships Not trying to pick an argument but it’s impossible for me to believe the above statement, lol.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 05:30 PM
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so it's not really required that you look at them and think they look exciting It isn’t? Then what is the motivation? I don’t get the rest of your statements. Touching someone I’m not attracted to wouldn’t do anything for me. And your last sentence , which I’ve heard before, sounds toxic to be honest
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 05:28 PM
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Agreed. I was uncomfortable with their last sentence also
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 05:18 PM
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‘Notallmen’ obviously. But being unattractive doesn’t make him more likely to be good.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 03:38 PM
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I agree it is demeaning to refer to unattractive people in derogatory terms and should be avoided. But your point about the halo effect while being true, is not relevant to the point that unattractive men can still feel entitled to treating women badly. That’s what the other commenter was saying
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 03:35 PM
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From my own very limited experience, this isn’t true. Being plain looking didn’t stop me from treating my wife like crap and taking her for granted. It took me a long time to admit that I didn’t know how to treat women well even if they were out of my league in looks. Being unattractive didn’t stop me from feeling entitled to good looking women.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 03:29 PM
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than be loved and cherished and respected by a guy that's not hot. This is where I am skeptical. There is no reason to think guys who aren’t hot are any less shitty than the other guys. There isn’t any correlation between looks and misogyny. And this sounds like the mirror image of the age old lament from women “why do men chase after the hot shitty women and ignore the plain looking women who will cherish them.”
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 01:17 PM
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I am not disagreeing. We are on the same page
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 01:11 PM
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Physical attraction probably falls on a normal distribution like most things in nature. That’s why it’s frustrating to use written language to discuss this rather than a graph of attraction vs. number of people. In that sense there is some truth to your post. In my life, I'm human shit. Such statements of self-hate are not useful or meaningful. I'm 23 and have never met a single woman that found me physically attractive So what? Why is that so important that it makes you describe yourself in suc…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/24 05:36 PM
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Isn’t it funny that the person claiming to be an editor can’t seem to elaborate exactly why they think the OP text is poor writing.
/r/ExRedPill27/04/24 05:20 PM
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