We need to be more radical

griii2 · 2023-08-11T12:07:38+00:00

Nope. We need to be more rational, stop making hyperboles, stop making radical claims and use only bullet proof arguments instead. We are not fighting with or reasoning with feminists - we are reasoning with the brainwashed silent majority.

That is why I started:

r/ToxicFeminismIsToxic

r/SystemicSexism

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-08-11T11:45:54+00:00

Reasoning with feminism does not work, but what kind of radical movements will not simply get us branded and discarded?

SecTeff · 2023-08-11T12:17:44+00:00

The movement I think rather needs to get more organised.

Fee paying associations in different countries with paid staff politically organising for positive political change.

I’ve worked on successful political campaigns and it’s 90% good admin and organisation that wins the day.

Lots of other groups have organisations that represent their interests in the media and with politicians and men need the same thing.

red_philosopher · 2023-08-11T14:03:40+00:00

People do not understand what "radical" means anymore. All radical means, politically, is that you aren't okay with the status quo and want to change it.

Your very participation in Men's Rights automatically makes you a radical.

The problem is, as a group, we are absolutely terrified of speaking out anywhere in public, because we (both as MRAs and as Men) face extreme political violence from Feminist groups and the gynocentric establishment.

We are silenced in nearly every avenue available.

slaughticorn · 2023-08-11T13:23:46+00:00

Except your definition of radical probably differs from mine, which differs from Steve's, which differs from Bob's.

What do you mean by "radical"? People may see this and assume you mean "buy guns and shoot up the place". That sounds pretty radical. And not in an early 90s kind of radical.

Blueberryaddict007 · 2023-08-11T12:26:19+00:00

What changes are you hoping to see?

Key_Butterscotch1009 · 2023-08-11T12:48:31+00:00

There is no point in arguing with women.

hendrixski · 2023-08-11T14:28:14+00:00

We already have radicals. We need to brand them as such to distinguish them from the rest of us.

"I don't agree with ______, that's a radical MRA position and I'm a mainstream MRA".

Frird2008 · 2023-08-11T11:55:30+00:00

We need to direct our radical movement at the people who have control over the mindset of the populace. By siphoning control directly from the top, we can achieve a better result for every part of the pie.

Kaayaa_ag4a · 2023-08-11T11:30:54+00:00

Exactly. Reasoning with those who are only meant to hate and demonize you makes no sense at all. Just like how the women had a fixed narrative and were radical during the suffragette movement in the past (although the violence and extremism has to be denied of course), men have to have strong ethos which they won't compromise for anyone. Raise your standards.

g1455ofwater · 2023-08-11T22:55:45+00:00

I don't see the point of radical views. Fair, honest and genuine views are the best.

There is a big problem with constantly backing down and giving way though. One commonality I see in multiple groups being unfairly treated is they all back down, give way and even at times defend the other abusive side. There's an old saying: "If you accept abuse that's all you'll ever get".

SouthernSeeker · 2023-08-12T00:20:36+00:00

No, we need fewer trolls.

Original-Speech-9312 · 2023-08-12T18:09:31+00:00

If you u/Justincy901 mean that we should be more active and organize, then I agree.

But "extreme radical views" are not the way to go. It would be unethic first to be the new gender fascists and second, Men's rights would fail before even starting, because it would alienate us from anyone.

But there ways to be active and see results as I wrote in a comment down here, other users have very insightful ideas too

Title	We need to be more radical
Author	Justincy901
Upvotes	7
Comments	31
Date	August 11, 2023 11:25 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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