Theres nothing wrong with manipulation, everyone does it

helpadudeout9 · 2024-01-09T21:35:16+00:00

Ehhh... I think there's a big difference between abusive, intentional manipulation (that is harmful, traumatic, and unethical) and subconscious manipulation (that we ALL do).

EulenWatcher · 2024-01-09T21:27:30+00:00

"Everyone does it" is a poor excuse. Everyone lies, but we still condemn lies harming others. Everyone has unhealthy habits but we still condemn these habits.

Manipulation is a very broad term and it can be neutral depending on the context. It often has a negative connotation when we're talking about manipulation that negatively affects other people and it's reasonable that people don't like being taken advantage of.

KayRay1994 · 2024-01-09T21:36:51+00:00

this is what we call moral absolutism, just because every form of interaction where someone is trying to get something from someone has a hint of potential manipulation (if you wanna call persuasion, for example, manipulation), doesn’t mean that there aren’t levels to it.

The reason why there is a lot wrong with manipulation is that it requires taking advantage of someone else, ie. tricking or duping them into something, getting them invested in something that they don’t think they’re signing up for.

You can use this slippery slope thought process to justify a whole lotta horrific shit, if there is nothing wrong with manipulation, where is the line when it is considered taking advantage of someone? when is taking advantage of someone not okay? if we all take advantage of someone at some point, why can’t i do whatever I want?

This is what a moral absolutist mentality does - so don’t try using it to justify your bs

justforlulz12345 · 2024-01-09T22:14:35+00:00

Are you a sociopath?

Geselshaft · 2024-01-09T21:52:06+00:00

Manipulation is just a concept. It has no moral implications unless its application is somehow moral.

Women manipulate men with sexy lingerie. A teacher manipulates students with gold stars. Parents manipulate children by Santa only giving presents to good boys and girls.

There’s no moral position in manipulation unless it’s being used to commit a crime. And it’s felt that crime is “wrong”.

In “negative” terms, women manipulate men with makeup, flirtation, and lying about everything. Men manipulate women with…money I guess. Buying them things or something, which women already want so I’m unsure what that does. It’s not like they’re turning down money.

In fact, I’m not sure what manipulation a man can do to a woman. Negging?

KeyAcan · 2024-01-09T21:41:13+00:00

Ah the moral absolutism defense, pathetic

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macone235 · 2024-01-09T21:51:16+00:00

There is something wrong with manipulation - when it's happening to you and the scales of power/responsibility become imbalanced.

Title	Theres nothing wrong with manipulation, everyone does it
Author	KeyAcan
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Comments	34
Date	January 9, 2024 9:24 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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