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[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Even humans get tired of pleasure and long for something more, something with more meaning. As humans we strive each day of our lives to matter to have a purpose. I'll tell you now that whatever you chase won't fill that hole. No matter how many conquests you notch what you truly crave is to be connected to someone who understands you better than you know yourself. I've had many flings, conquests and illicit encounters, all with smoking hot bodies, but i'd trade all that in for someone who makes me happy just being alive and in their presence. You see, i'm the person you become after you've lived a life of sexual bliss. You want what really matters; to spend your life with someone who keeps you happy. If you want to fuck then fuck. If you want to get married and start a family then do it. When all that is said and done, make sure the person you end your life with is someone who makes you laugh and feel great about yourself and is more important than a few fleeting moments of unmemorable pleasure; that shit fades. Sex fades, seek happiness. Carry on my dudes.
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Your words are full of wisdom . However , my problem is the absence of the passion . I cannot make "finding the one" my goal and actively reach it . This goal is out of my control , since meeting someone like that is extreme luck (or as some may say destiny). I want something that i can actively and willingly control the progress towards achieving it .
[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This goal is out of my control
Never. The control you have is by being discriminating and knowing what you want versus knowing what you won't settle for. Many dudes will surrender their lives just for a steady diet of pleasure, but that is the trap we need to avoid. You'll get closer to the "one" the more you become your authentic self. It takes time to learn who that is and the truth about what he really wants. Never lie to yourself. If you have an inkling of doubt that's your authentic self trying to warn you.
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I cannot commit to finding the "one" yet . I still want to fuck around more lol . Im still 22 years old , i don't to find that girl yet , i want to be sick of playing around by choice , i want to reach the point that i will be bored of pleasure . At that moment i will be searching for the one. I sense you have a belief in the law of attraction too , you're saying that if i focus on finding the one , the universe will bring that someone in my life but i'm really unsure of that theory.
[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I cannot commit to finding the "one" yet . I still want to fuck around more And you should. You want to be experienced by the time you meet the right one. And i firmly believe in the law of attraction. It makes sense if you think about it logically. I moved around the country and took certain jobs that i liked and she will do the same. It is highly possible that if you have a passion and pursue it so will she. Don't focus on finding the one focus on finding yourself first. Everything else in life will flow from that.
[–]Psychologinut 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I promise you, you don’t want to reach that point where you get bored of pleasure.
[–]loofyd 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you seem experienced and senior
you should make instructional and advisory posts for the young members of this sub
[–]OldRetiredDood 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If the girl is not initially attracted to you or does not have a minimum level of interest , you won't be able to magically make her attracted
This should be the opening sentence of every dating textbook.
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly man , if i knew this the moment i started interacting with girls in my life , it would have changed everything . The majority of dating coaches won't tell you this . Since they lure guys by claiming their "methods" are tested and that they do not fail. Heck the girl could be a lesbian , or your nose reminds her of an annoying teacher who used to hate her lol , it could be anything lol sometimes you just cannot make that girl attracted no matter what you do .
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So work on yourself, get money and jacked, then they’ll give you the time of day.
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Im still a student in college , so im in this part of my life where things are moving slowly . So i cannot currently make any money , and working out would probably be not as fulfilling as learning seduction.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ur right, it would be EVEN MORE fulfilling
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m in college too so I understand. I can’t get a part time job because where I’m from because they’re taking the pandemic seriously. Gyms being closed also doesn’t help but you can still do calisthenics for around 6 months which is recommended for a beginners. As for what you can do about money right now, learning about different ways to make different streams of income and investing in things like cypto and real estate will help you make money lots of money after you graduate.
[–]xvitamind 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also don’t be so available and never treat a girl you wanna fuck right away as your girlfriend
[–]LandSharkRoyale 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can’t have one without the other go lift
[–]OldRetiredDood 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jacked > Money, in my experience.
[–]Zenterus 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It IS a number's game. A number's game you can optimise.
Let me ask you this: Which opener do you think would work best on average?
"Hey, I saw you from over there and I wanted to fuck you so I came over. What's your name?"
"Hey, I think you're adorable. I can't talk for too long but what's your name?"
The answer is obvious here as the examples are greatly exaggerated.
However, this is the reality of the game in very subtle levels as well. There are no obsolete ways to approach that guarantee 100% of positive opens. But there are some approaches that work better than others.
In the end, game is all about finding out the most optimised way to increase the percentages of women you're able to bring into your life.
There are better ways to text a woman than others ("Can you keep a secret" is a more compelling first text than "Hey").
There are better ways to initiate physical escalation than others (more likely for a girl to be receptive to you if she's laughing than if the conversation is stale)
And there are better ways to solidify a connection with a woman than others (if a girl verbally states that she likes you, she's more likely to stay true to that and show up on a date)
The only method that justifies Game being all about initial attraction and a strict number's game that cannot be optimised, would be if the game you're doing is this modernized "Natural Game".
Don't get me wrong, I also do natural game in the sense that I convey my personality authentically and say what's on my mind truthfully. However I also have a good understanding of game and the dynamics in it, such as validation; investment; compliance; female psychology; dominance; value; pre-selection and other attraction triggers and I understand how to leverage them in my favour.
The natural game that most guys do, is one where they approach a girl with a general direct opener and then just vomit shit. There's no structure to their game, no direction, it's just them expressing themselves, maybe doing a couple of push pulls and baiting the girl to qualify, get the number and then disappear, only to start texting the girl all kinds of random, weird shit. Finally they get online and wonder why their open to close ratio is so low.
That's not bad, compared to the average guy, but there's so much more to game than that.
If you've been taking a lot of action and still struggling with game, then it might be a sign that you're approaching too much and not studying what you're doing bad or good.
The times that my game sky rocketed was when I took some time off and really started to evaluate the way I do things and researching the theory again for new insights for a month or so. By the time I got back in it, my game would be on a whole other level.
Ask yourself these questions:
Do I give a lot of power away in my game for the sake of spiking emotions?
Am I presenting myself to be a challenge or easy pickings to the girls that I approach?
How can I optimise my TextGame so that with every message I can move things smoothly towards the close?
Is there a concept of game theory that isn't present in my game?
WHY do I do certain things in my game? What are those behaviours convey about me? (Neediness or Abundance?)
You constantly have to re-evaluate what you're doing and do the work necessary to reach the level you want to reach.
If you are determined and you have fun with it along the way, your results will increase dramatically.
There is truth to what you're saying . However i do not agree with you in some points .
I think an opener with a time constraint like the one you mentioned would have no significant difference from just being direct too . I mean as i said as long as the girl is initially interested , small changes in words would not be that big of a deal , AS LONG AS one does not fuck it up by saying random shit that makes him look like a guy with low value . I mean at this point we should all be conscious of things that we say that will lower our value as a guy ( being needy or creepy ) . We like to make make ourselves think that we're in control of seduction through words and manipulation . However , the girl could be just attracted because of a certain glance or smile you did unconsciously . It is a numbers game , and i agree you can optimize your chances , but the improvement of your chances is only limited by "not doing" anything wrong that will lower value , that's all. I studied many methods of outer game , and trust me i have significant knowledge about the DHV techniques you do , and the compliance tests you do to know when to initiate next levels, and how to convey the maximum of value while at the same time maintaining the dominant or indifferent state. but throughout the years , i eventually found out that it is stuff we say and do just to make us feel like we're in control of the situation , because in the end , it is always one of these three results :
1) The girl is initially attracted and you acted according to social norms without doing stuff that made you look needy or weird => you get the girl 2) The girl is initially attracted or has at least some minimum of attraction , yet you said something that was horrible or something that made her uncomfortable => you don't get the girl
3) The girl is initially NOT ATTRACTED , so whatever technique you use or whatever ideas you convey , you will not be able to receive genuine attraction from her that will last.
[–]xenonmail 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One of the best comments I’ve seen on here.
[–]earsurgery9 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
You've found the truth. Everyone does in the end. Takes some people longer than others
The word 'seduction' gives the wrong impression and it implies you can influence girls into being sexually attracted to you and MAKE them wanna sleep with you even if they have zero physical attraction to you
As you rightly say, it's just marketing
Nobody has anything close to that skill - ask yourself why these PUA coaches who know all the theory inside out have to fake infields or approach a tonne of girls to get one (the same one that was receptive to his open)
It's really 'game' - it's basically approaching girls and flirting and the girls who think you are hot will let you escalate on them. If you do this process well (game) you will increase your odds of not completely messing it up!
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly , I would however recommend a dating coach (not a PUA) who i found to be having the most logical and arguable good principles about dating and seducing women, it is coach Corey Wayne, you guys should check out his channel.
[–]Ashido_Komaki 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm on this journey to better myself physically and mentally I'm not ugly but I won't get what I want unless I keep working hard for it.
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Always aim to be "the best version of yourself". Good luck mate.
[–]Own-Salad1974 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So maybe its not about seducing anyone you want, and its about finding someonw who cares about you and vice versa
[–]argumentativepigeon 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Either you have an extreme physical abnormality, or your ego is deluding you.
Keep going, or stop. Its your choice. However, don't kid yourself as to why you are stopping.
I don't get your point . How is my physique related to the conclusion i reached (btw i would say i'm an above average looking guy) . I want to continue learning , but there isn't any more to learn (except for the bullshit that doesn't work some few coaches give)
[–]Secret-Historian101 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But My height 5"5.5' (165cms) doesn't allow me to have multiple relationships
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Work on your charisma , it is true that height is an advantage . However , you cant change your height (without surgeries or whatever) . Many charismatic people throughout history were short , like Napoleon for example . I do not think he had problems getting pus** lol . Jason statham too is short compared to his gf , yet he still managed to get a hot model that is taller than him . It is all about your charisma and confidence bro .
[–]Secret-Historian101 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Actually Jason Statham (1.78m) isn't short compared to 1.65. But thanks man I get your point.
I mentioned jason statham because his gf is taller than him . Good luck man.
[–]SyreksDungeon 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
One month ago I was exactly like you. I had been approaching girls and girls and realized that I haven't had a lot of luck. But I thought about a couple of things and it LOOKS like Im actually getting somewhere.
My theory here is this. The place matters a lot. (If you want dm me, im in the process of proving my hypothesis and it looks like im right at the moment)
I believe that picking up girls in a place that doesn't involve socialization its a guarantee for failure. Lets say a supermarket, a clinic, a gas station, a mall etc... How many people do you think go to this places to socialize or flirt? No one. So do you think your chances of meeting a girl there are good? No. First you need a place to socialize. Clubs and bars are the best places for this. There are more places to socialize such as Arcades, Swimming Pools, Sports events, Sports, Carnivals. If you go to those kinds of places your chances are bigger (in my theory, i might be wrong).
Also, reputation is important in other places. If you are trying to pick up girls from college, group of friends, work etc. Their reputation will be affected by their decision, so you will have to play your game in a way that doesn't affect their reputation.
Lets talk about the most obvious and socially accepted place to socialize and flirt with strangers: bars and clubs.
You want sex? Ever heard the women-shaming word "slt or whre"? Well, for seduction, thats who you want. You can't seduce every girl you see, only the ones that are up to it. Most girls you try to approach are so scared of that word, that even if they wanted you so bad they wouldn't spread their legs because that word is so engrained in their mind. They wouldn't have a clean conscience knowing they just fucked or gave a chance to a random guy they just met... unless...
Attraction have a lot of factors. For us men, beauty is a huge factor. But for women there's more to it. The factors are: Physical appearance, Money, and Personality (for what I know). If you are able to surpass the competition with 1 or all of this factors, you might have a chance for a girl to make her feel like getting to know/fuck you is not being them being a wh*re, because, you are: really hot, you will buy them stuff, or simply your personality and hers clicked so freaking good (meaning your social skills are good.
The best option here and the tip that everyone will tell you is to work-out, get money and practice your social skills (which practicing your social skills is super important). But what if you are not that handsome, wealthy, or your social skills aren't that good? There is a cheat code.
You need to look for a club/bar where the competition/other guys is at your level or worse at physical attraction, money and if you have been practicing approach, that are shyer than you. A place that when you enter the room, you at least don't look like one of the last options. Girls will look at you, and if you approach one of them, because the competition is worse/equal as you, they will gladly talk to you and you can show off your social skills.
Theres more to it, but i got bored lmao. Hopefully what i wrote helps.
Haha this was very entertaining to read . I totally agree with you , the place which you are doing your seduction does really matter . Another factor i would add is the mentality of the place you're in . I'm talking about even the country you are in , if you are in a conservative country where women are too scared to be slt-shamed . You will have low chances of seducing women there, even if you were more physically attractive that most guys there or even richer. However , i totally agree with your theory .
[–]Antique-Trash2527 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey how can I seduce older women and married but not live with her husband.ofcouse wanted to have s.. but how do I get to this
[–]Juan7797 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
what if I wanna seduce woamn not girls ? 0_o
Actually i prefer women over girls :D
[–]loofyd 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
someone please define what is minimum level of interest
and how to screen girls for it , ESPECIALLY during daygame !
A minimum level of interest is the minimum required attraction towards you from a girl . You can screen girls for it through basic IOIs (indicators of interest) like the kind of look a girl gives you , or the way she giggles when you tell a lame joke lol . However , some girls are masters of hiding their intention or attraction. THE ABSOLUTE AND ONLY WAY of truly knowing a girl's level of attraction is to close ( asking her for a date or initiating a kiss after a date) , by her response to you making a date or making a move , you can determine whether she is attracted to you or no . Good Luck ! .
[–]Goulronk 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I've also read about people calling it a numbers game but I've never seen anyone explain what it actually means.
Any advice for a guy like myself who has never had any woman be attracted to?
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/nt9xhu/the_passion_of_seducing_any_girl_you_want/h0sjexx?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Check my reply, i basically explain here what the numbers game mean.
[–]Goulronk 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I did read that and it cleared it up as a concept.
Issue is that in your last 3 bulletpoints there two that involve a woman finding you attractive and the other is means no luck.
Is there any other strategy or pick up method that would work for a guy who women don't find attractive?
I've personally never had any woman be interested in me (at least not romantically) so I can't really apply any of the info you provided despite how thorough you were with it.
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I've personally never had any woman be interested in me
You cannot know for sure that no woman was interested in you . As i said some girls are really good at hiding it . What you gotta do ask yourself is ask yourself this : "what am i possibly doing wrong ?". It can be your style of clothes , or your haircut , or maybe your body language . When a girl sees you , does she see a confident , friendly man , or a slouching , uninviting guy . There's many threads on this sub-Reddit that would really help with your inner game and you style in general. Take good care of your hygiene , get clothes that fit you , get a haircut that suits you, always keep a smile on your face and you should be good to go . Also , try not to be too needy with girls , because that can make girls lose attraction fast too . Stay sharp man and good luck ! . PS : Check Corey Wayne's channel , He provides great inspiration for my method and mindset.
[–]Goulronk 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's the thing I have no idea of what would be considered wrong.
I've done a lot to improve myself over these last 4 years of my life and I have taken care of everything you listed.
Haircut, clothes, weight, slouching, Hygiene,
None of those are issues so at this point I just have no clue, and there doesn't seem to be anyone with any answers or advice that would be applicable.
My conclusion is that it probably has to do with my age, maybe at my age never having had any woman consider me attractive probably might have something to do with it?
Again I'm not sure but while I do like reading posts like yours it doesn't really seem to apply to my situation but hopefully one day it does.
I wouldn't say I'm needy, I fully understand the differences between having friends and women friends, etc without there being an inherent "need" but at the same time I wonder if I'm just out of luck when it comes to being an attractive looking guy because I've never in my life had any woman consider me attractive before.
[–]Same-Raisin-3104 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay , here is the deal . Age is never a factor for a guy not managing to attract girls . You can attract women at any age , and second , maybe the problem is with your city/country . I mean , if you're in a small city that you run into the same people several times , you won't be able to have abundance of women being attracted to you . Perhaps , if you are in a small city (or even worse , a conservative country) you should consider changing places . Moving into a bigger city with massive flow of different people , can increase your chances significantly. The problem is not necessarily with you , that is if you're doing everything right . Furthermore , I feel that you don't have a lot of self-confidence concerning this topic . You keep repeating " no girl was ever attracted to me" to yourself , so unconsciously , you integrate that belief into your mind , and slowly you become convinced that you cannot attract any girl because you never had a girl come and tell you she finds you attractive . You should remove these limiting beliefs and replace them with positive ones , as i said you never know for sure that no girl found you attractive , it just never happened that one told you face to face . You should believe in numbers , and when talking in numbers , everything is possible . A girl will eventually find you attractive, Always try to be at your best , and girls will eventually come bro . Good luck !
[–]Goulronk 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What do you mean with believe in numbers?
I am a very big proponent of believing in numbers but if we're talking about number of women who have been attracted to me then unfortunately the number is zero because it's kinda never happened before.
Believe me if it ever did I would be the first one to count it because at least with that information I would know there is a path or a chance to take.
[–]TimOut1 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Since you mentioned it's a numbers game, let me explain my opinion in numbers aswell. You were totally right with "if a girl isn't interested you can't magically make her to be." Let's say you meet like 10% of these girls. Even if you were a god of seduction you couldn't win them because they re just not into you and never will be. But there is also 10% of girls you can land even if ur seduction game is bad as hell. These are the girls you automatically with some other atributes you got. Now we re left with the other 80% of women. Some of them likes you a bit more and some a bit less. It's fair to say that they are not sure if they like you. And that is where you can use seduction. You can make them like you more and more trough the seduction and since there is a huge amount of these kind of women, perfecting your skill of seduction is still goddamm worthed. Even if you can't win em all, you can win most of them. That"s my view. Good luck with finding your passion again. :)
Another comment in this post was presenting the same argument you give , here is my reply check it out.
There is truth to what you're saying . However i do not agree with you in some points. I think an opener with a time constraint like the one you mentioned would have no significant difference from just being direct too . I mean as i said as long as the girl is initially interested , small changes in words would not be that big of a deal , AS LONG AS one does not fuck it up by saying random shit that makes him look like a guy with low value . I mean at this point we should all be conscious of things that we say that will lower our value as a guy ( being needy or creepy ) . We like to make make ourselves think that we're in control of seduction through words and manipulation . However , the girl could be just attracted because of a certain glance or smile you did unconsciously . It is a numbers game , and i agree you can optimize your chances , but the improvement of your chances is only limited by "not doing" anything wrong that will lower value , that's all. I studied many methods of outer game , and trust me i have significant knowledge about the DHV techniques you do , and the compliance tests you do to know when to initiate next levels, and how to convey the maximum of value while at the same time maintaining the dominant or indifferent state. but throughout the years , i eventually found out that it is stuff we say and do just to make us feel like we're in control of the situation , because in the end , it is always one of these three results : 1)The girl is initially attracted and you acted according to social norms without doing stuff that made you look needy or weird => you get the girl 2)The girl is initially attracted or has at least some minimum of attraction , yet you said something that was horrible or something that made her uncomfortable => you don't get the girl 3)The girl is initially NOT ATTRACTED , so whatever technique you use or whatever ideas you convey , you will not be able to receive genuine attraction from her that will last.
There is truth to what you're saying . However i do not agree with you in some points.
1)The girl is initially attracted and you acted according to social norms without doing stuff that made you look needy or weird => you get the girl
2)The girl is initially attracted or has at least some minimum of attraction , yet you said something that was horrible or something that made her uncomfortable => you don't get the girl
3)The girl is initially NOT ATTRACTED , so whatever technique you use or whatever ideas you convey , you will not be able to receive genuine attraction from her that will last.
And for you i'm going to add a fourth option :4) The girl is not sure she is attracted , so it is up to you to not make yourself look weird or creepy ( which you need to say something rly horrible and somehow fuck it up ) , but as long as you apply the basics of being socially "normal" , you're not required to make complex seduction techniques.
I mean at this point we should all be conscious of things that we say that will lower our value as a guy
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