Summary

Last night, I utilized what I consider to be a somewhat novel logistic-focused methodology to sleep with HB 7. I thought I would share it with the community, and also invite comment as to it's ethical virtue. Thow away account b/c too factually identifiable. Long, but I hope interesting story people can learn from.

In brief, I essentially kept changing the facts of the situation until she wanted to fuck me. Her friend group had a clear plan for the evening, and I essentially inserted myself into it, manipulating the groups logistics until those logistics pre-selected her decision into wanting to fuck me.

PU Arrive at piano bar playing popular sing-along tunes that is sparsely populated for 11 PM. Because drunk, my wing took a hit and had an ex drive us; he was thus cashed for the night. My group proceeds to sit down in a lateral arrangement that is not conducive to conversation. I walk away.

At bar, I meet HB7. She is having trouble getting attention from the bartender, so I step in and order 2 drinks (the bartender knows me). Bartender asks for payment; I tell him HB7 is paying. She looks at me incredulously, but I tell her it is my birthday and I still haven't gotten her present.

(blah blah 25 minute interlude featuring two 2-sets with girl from law school 1 and girl from law school 2.) I tell both of them that they should help me hook up with HB7. Both perform fucking brilliantly, and I love them for it.

I go to HB7's table, and sit down. After talking for a while with her friend about how his shirt looks like the symbol for Gryfindor (sic), I begin to talk with the girls. The set is arranged around a semi-circular booth and is divided symmetrically between guys and girls, with target/HB7 sitting second from the left of her 4 friends.

I try to neg HB7; it does not work, as it is too loud and she is sitting far away from me. Here, under traditional PU theory, I should have tried to disqualify myself as a suitor. I instead compensated with additional value adding, and did not conceal my attraction to her.

Now I have a real problem: how can I escalate without any physical contact? I start talking with one obvious couple, both of whom are in graduate school. He is plant biologist, and the DNA sequencer thingy again works wonders at instilling a sense of my utility to the set. We begin to discuss Kuhn, structure of scientific revolutions, etc., into discussion of large bio-corp industry and effect on food market, ethics of patenting seeds, etc. Large amount of value added.

I catch her looking at me during a lull in conversation, and ask her to walk to the bar with me. Heavy kino escalation. She tells me that she thinks I am very attractive blah blah blah, she is getting very into it. We are positioned such that our faces are extremely close, and I try to kiss her. She pulls away, explaining that she doesn't like PDA. I divert the conversation, then ask her to kiss me on the cheek, then on the lips. Her kiss is soft and endearing.

We run into law school girl 1. She introduces me to whatever dude and whatever dude starts talking to me. I ignore him. Law school girl 1 then proceeds to tell HB7 that we are good friends, and that she can trust me. (I can not remember exactly what she said, but that was the gist of it).

We go back to the table, where biology guy asks me if I want to get food with their group. (At this point, it becomes evident that all of the guys and girls save HB7 are in relationships). I say of course.

Now we are walking to the restaurant, joking with HB7. We start talking about travel, I mention that I have traveled extensively in South America. (Somewhat of a lie). We then proceed to speak in spanish about how shitty the restaurant we are going to is, and she mentions how the cheese they use in their burrito is liquid. I don't understand what she means, but assume it was slip of the tongue--the cheese is of the white, saucy variety that mexican restaurants use on burritos.

Problem next becomes getting her to my place. It is nearby, we can walk there easily. She doesn't bite. This is the somewhat novel part of this PU, and the part I consider to be maybe ethically problematic I ask where they are going, and if we can share a cab. Law school girl 2 comes up. Gives me enthusiastic, somewhat amorous hug. Lavishly compliments me, then gives me her phone number as a ruse. Big props to law school girl 2. They say sure. Get in the cab.

They end up inviting me back to one of their apartments, where HB 7 is conveniently staying. Inviting is perhaps too strong a word; it was more along the lines of, I got out of the cab at their apartment and they didn't say anything to stop/question me. We get inside. HB7 sits next to me on the couch, and promptly informs me that she is not sleeping with me, while simultaneously placing my hand on her thigh. Hrmmm.

Biology guy says she can sleep on the bed upstairs, I tell him that I will be sleeping on the couch. He leaves to use the restroom; I ask HB7 if we can sleep together, explaining that we are just going to cuddle. I figure I can at least get a make out sesh to compliment the cuddling, which I would enjoy in any case. At this point, I couldn't give a damn if she sleeps with her dress on on the opposite side of the bed, I just really don't want to sleep on this guys couch.

I kiss her. She kisses me back, same soft, endearing tone; becomes very passionate. Starts grabbing my ass and everything. Biology guy steps back into the room; notices us making out and leaves. I again ask if we can sleep together, same justification. She obliges. We go upstairs, start making out, game over.

My Problem

At some level, this was merely a successful pickup, nothing more, nothing less. However, I can not help but feeling that I was plainly manipulative of a very sweet girl, and I feel bad about this. Should I?

Seddit, I find this method unsavory. It is too much heartache the next day. There is a real sense of moral ambiguity in the above fact pattern re: did she just allow the logistics of the situation to "guide" her into wanting to fuck me? Is there even a difference between this and any other type of PU? As a matter of fact, probably not: I basically just changed variables in the equation until it was easy for her to want me to sleep with her.

I must emphasize that there was no overt coercion on my behalf; I simply re-ordered the logistical planning that the group used that night to ensure a desired outcome. This is not a post-hoc rationalization of my behavior, it is factually true.

Next day, we kiss slowly in the morning. She says she likes kissing me and thinks I am a good kisser. She takes my number, says she will call me. She makes the bed, we joke about her alarm (which blares some kitschy song). She seems to genuinely like me. We are driven to my car by biology guy, and she jokingly says that, if I am lucky, she will be my Facebook friend. Biology guy and his GF also seem to like me, and we discuss their upcoming wedding, etc.

Tl;dr In this post, I explain how the manipulation of logistical variables involved in group planning dynamics can ensure a successful K-Close, N-Close, and F-Close, and discuss some underlying ethical dilemmas.