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It’s kinda sad, right?

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October 31, 2018

I’ll preface by saying I’m a relatively decent SMV guy, 5’11 athletic, always spinning a plate or two. No Sean Connery but I get mine. 19 Y/O.

I read all his Red Pill literature from this community and guys like Rollo and whatnot, and I’ve been led back to this idea on how sad things are now.

Back in the past in many societies, women were married to a men who was vetted by their father and considered a good man. Cheating many times resulted in death/other severe punishment (not advocating for that). That kept everyone in line.

But now it’s the 21st century. People have cars and phones. Chad’s will fuck an HB6 when they’re bored and on a dry spell and, BOOM, alpha widows everywhere. Hell, I have one blowing up m phone as I type this.

Now married women can just pull out their phones when their husband has been boring and get a dopamine high and a wet Vag from someone else instantly.

Court systems and pubic opinions favor the ephemeral feelings of women leading to all sorts of divorce rape. 0 incentive to stay with a guy

The Ballad of Clark Kent demonstrates this perfectly

So unless you’re a millionaire, packing 8 inches, or are dating well below you, it’s tough to hold onto one.

Or am I just being un-based by preemptively worried about my future marriage situation?

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Title It’s kinda sad, right?
Author ikeurbantraut
Upvotes 120
Comments 67
Date 31 October 2018 08:53 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]SasquatchMcKraken95 points96 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's sad but it's been going on forever. Society dampened it in the past, and today's hedonism+social media have kicked it into overdrive, yes. But there is nothing new under the sun. If you are trying to get married you just need to be very careful about who you choose. There are no unicorns, but not all horses are created equal.

[–]derrtderr37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah man. Get out there and find your Black Stallion.

I mean your Seabiscuit. Or Hidalgo.

Fuckit. nvm

[–]theguitargym18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe he'll find his Bojack Horseman?

[–]Garathon3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

One thing in common... They're all male.

[–]HurricaneHugues71 points72 points  (6 children) | Copy

"So unless you’re a millionaire, packing 8 inches, or are dating well below you, it’s tough to hold onto one."

Even he gets cheated on, with the wife's art instructor, the cashier at her favorite designer store, her personal trainer, her boss etc. Nobody is safe. All being Chad does is buy you more time.

[–]Xoramung 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

All being Chad does is buy you more time.

you mean steal your time and possessions?

[–]HurricaneHugues23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, I'm saying that a person being Chad is only buying himself time before a chick branch swings. Whereas it would take Billy beta a couple of months to get cheated on, Chad has a few years before it happens to him.

Even Chad gets cheated on, it just takes longer for it happen.

[–]markinsinz71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But Chads get pussy for life so the scales balance for him

[–]TheH1dd3nFear2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Patrick Bateman couldn't give a fucked.

[–]Opioidus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is simply not true, there is an extreme shortage of self assured alpha males, a little game goes a very very long way.

[–]LunarTears0 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Even if you're dating below you, you aren't safe. Personally tested this; as an 8, I purposely chose my last two a 6 and a 5. Women assume the status of their partners; they begin to believe that because they landed you, they can land another. They get cocky and start acting the same as any 8 or 9 would and realize too late that they alpha widowed themselves.

[–]Jumbokcin 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

How do you go about making sure your LTR doesn’t get complacent/knows she has it really good and can’t do better?

[–]Gandalf3210 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Abundance and lifting. At least you know you did your part. Spin plates even in an LTR anyway. Keep improving your daygame and frame. Keep improving your empire (owning your own business, education, certs, etc) and never let your guard down. Ever.

[–]GlassLandscape55 points56 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, it's bad, and it's only going to get worse. I'm from a rural midwestern state and my parents, aunts and uncles, and grandparents all got married to their high school sweetheart and had successful marriages. But the thought of coming anywhere close to that today is a joke. It's tough to find a girl who has had less than a dozen sexual partners before she graduates college. Women these days are masculine, trying to compete in the workplace, often incredibly liberal and have no real redeeming qualities besides a used up vagina.

[–]ikeurbantraut27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

Which isn’t very redeeming

[–]furcryingoutloud52 points53 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'll tell you what's sad. The way you guys have hardons for a woman who will be faithful. And you sit and fret and reminisce and gaze wistfully at grandma and grandpa and long for times like that, when marriage meant something. So here I am going to burst some bubbles. Yeah I've seen marriages in my family last a lifetime. Two as a matter of fact. I'm 55. My mother married 5 times. Was the most unfaithful whore I've ever set eyes on. There could be worse, but you get the drift.

My point is that no, this paradise that you guys keep thinking on never really did exist 100%. Whoring and infidelity has been going on forever. What's changed now is that the market has been opened by the internet so you now don't have to pick a girl from across your yard. You can actually pick one from anywhere in the world.

Wait, you still looking for fidelity? Yeah well good luck with that. The fact is that your munchkin will fuck chad at the drop of a hat if the circumstances line up. Feels, a place to fuck where she won't be seen and wham, you've been cuckolded. You want to spend your time in life looking for little Bopeep, go right ahead, but trust me when I tell you, she doesn't exist.

Back then, when "paradise" existed, women would stay with their men because options were few and far between. Still happens in many closed off places. But this never meant that they were different. They were just settling. Was it wrong to give them so many options? I'm not sure. For me, this means I have way many more options now than before. So for me, the game is even. And what the hell do I give a fuck if she's fucking some chad too? Like I'm gonna just keep one myself. Never happen.

Get with the game guys, paradise is over, you'll be pining for what we have today soon enough. Read the sidebar, learn the rules of the game and go play. When you get placed into the worm feeder, the only thing you'll have is how much fun you had. I can see any wife making requests to my doctors to disconnect me from the machine because I've suffered too much. I think I'll marry my attorney.

[–]1warlordchad9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

This 👆👆👆

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So if most women cheat,i can cheat too?

[–]furcryingoutloud0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You need permission?

[–]omega_dawg9317 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

you're 19 yrs old... and saying the word, 'marriage?'

please don't say that word again until you're at least 31. trust me... your 'vision' will be much more clear by then.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar33 points34 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't get married.

If you want to start a family, do the ceremony for the family, but don't sign the contract. And make sure to live in a state that does NOT have "Common Law Marriage."

That won't protect you from child support, but it will protect you from alimony. So it at least removes some of the financial incentive for her to leave you.

[–]disgruntledearthling2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that’s what I did- not married and had 2 kids. When I left after 28 years we divided assets and the kids. When the one kid left me to live with her mother then did child support payments.

The common law arrangement is clear in my jurisdiction- no obligation whatsoever. No divorce rape.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

So unless you’re a millionaire, packing 8 inches, or are dating well below you, it’s tough to hold onto one.

WRONG. Stop with this defeatist mentality. It doesn't help you. You are in a phase still. You did not accept red pill, you haven't swallowed it yet and still try to bargain and complain and deny it and get angry.

You do not have to be a millionaire. Actually, from different perspective millionaires got it worse since for them it is hard to find a woman who would love them (aka fuck them, because we know women will never love a man how a man wishes to be loved) for who they are not how much money they have.

You do NOT need millions to attract women, GAME is free to learn for everybody. You do not need big dick to fuck women good. Etc. Etc. Game is the most important requirement.

So good news, your phase will pass. You will accept reality as it is, not as it should be or how you dreamt it will be. Don't even think about marriage before fully swallowing the pill. You can restart thinking about it in 10 years. For now just fuck women and enjoy life. Git good, how they say.

Again, red pill comes with responsibilities. For now you haven't accepted your responsibility as a man. To be a man. You try to bargain right now. But before you accept the truth you will get depressed. It will pass too. Just so you know, as long as you work out, have goals and improve, you will overcome it and learn how to enjoy reality, not the matrix that you lived 19 years.

Jesus, most guys lived in a matrix for 3 or 4 decades! Imagine how they feel learning the truth.

Take action. Find solace in doing something positive everyday.

[–]oyoungpadawan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Underrated comment!

[–]1warlordchad10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look on the bright side kid—you’re 19 getting laid, and you won’t even reach your max SMV until mid 30’s and that’ll last for another 10-15 years. You can be fucking girls in their 20’s until you’re 50... I feel sorry for these girls to be honest. Society just says go fucking nuts gals, you’re the same as a man, but the truth is they’ve got 10, maybe 15 years max where they can get what they want sexually—then it’s a slow depressing slide downhill, becoming ever more bitter and low energy as they age, realizing inevitably that they fucked up.

Plus, I’ve been married and though she was no unicorn, she was a decent wife. Blue pilled the shit out of me which is why we eventually split—but I was done anyway. It’s way more fun to know you can fuck multiple women for the rest of your life. One pussy gets boring.

[–]GolfinEagle13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

Dating below you doesn’t even work, I tried it and she was the one who caused me the MOST problems.

[–]ikeurbantraut3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did once. She’s a fucking PSYCHO

[–]APSTNDPhy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Happened when I was younger. She was sooo below it's actually scary to look back at.

[–]stylesm115 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's sad man, all you can do is increase your worth & shoot for the top

[–]pame1213 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy

A while ago I remember stumbling upon a theory wherein part of Rome's fall was the fact that women had so many rights that they just stopped having sex as punishment for man (can't remember what the problem was), which ended up lowering the morale of a lot of them, and a lot of them decided to desert and go back home to resolve the problem(s); in the end the barbarian army invaded without much resistance.

There's even a more ancient theory about Babylon, I believe I read that (recently?) they found some evidence of child rights laws written down, which meant the civilisation was advanced enough to have rights and laws, which also means that men/women probably had rights as well, again, women could have potentially done something socially to mess up guys' morale and screw up the empire, or at least help along in screwing it up.

I doubt this will repeat as we're too big and too connected, but something else might happen that could drastically change things, for better or worse.

[–]ikeurbantraut15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, I think the worse thing would be for society to continue the way it is. Imagine all the single moms and beta dads everywhere raising the next generation

[–]pame1211 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm really curious what will happen in the coming decades, will sex bots become a big thing and somewhat "fix" the issue? Maybe virtual reality? Maybe there's gonna be a WW3 and it's gonna setback things back to 70s, 80s era? Maybe genetic engineering will take off and someone is gonna make their own "race" (I had a dream about this); very exciting times these are; really scary too though.

[–]ikeurbantraut6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

People are theorizing sex bots will be the new craze, leaving women to no longer have the Beta Bucks

[–]geo_gan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We can only hope.

[–]the1pope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuckn right 👌

[–]fignootins9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy

packing 8 inches

Size doesn't mean shit. I have 8.5 inches of dick but I'm never going to open with my dick size so I start on a level playing field with everyone else until the bedroom.

[–]Ontopsoon9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

But bro, what about that big dick energy

[–]cudder177 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Big dick energy is another term for confidence

[–]cudder172 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah but she’s way more likely to stay with your 8.5 than my 5 incher.

[–]fignootins0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

honestly just cut weight

my dick was 7.5 when i weighed 175 pounds

now I'm down to 150 and it's 8.5

no girth lost

edit: i measured wrong it was always 8.5

[–]cudder171 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m not overweight, definitely not lean, but I’m at a good weight and I want to add more muscle.

Not gonna cut weight for a .5 increase of dick.

[–]MRPFuckMe13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s only sad if you want to play their game.

[–]h4ndy_c4ndy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then you should nevermind this. Enjoy the happy moments and leave when thing collapsed. In the end, nothing really matter you know.

[–]Lambdal72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

So unless you’re a millionaire, packing 8 inches, or are dating well below you, it’s tough to hold onto one

There are millions of relationships where there is an average guy with an average girl and they love happily every after.

If you want a bomb shell with lots of options you need to compete against the other optiona of course. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Men cheat as much as women, it’s not something specific to women.

[–]dutchgguy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

At least you know what you're getting into if you marry. Don't be mistaken by appearance.

[–]ht2k91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the only thing I cannot realeate to, here you get married, you have to live with it for the rest of your life, there are people who get divorced but they are labeled for ever. Cheaters? Even worse they are exiled and will have to move to another city, if not a country.

I live in the middle east, it must be a plus after all. The societies here are much different.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Back in the past in many societies, women were married to a men who was vetted by their father and considered a good man. Cheating many times resulted in death/other severe punishment (not advocating for that). That kept everyone in line.

The glory days were not as they are presented. Women cheated (but more secretly), women went off sex as soon as they were married, etc.

There are no escapes from the SMP.

Court systems and pubic opinions favor the ephemeral feelings of women leading to all sorts of divorce rape. 0 incentive to stay with a guy

Marriage is now completely disincentivised for men, it's just a stupid idea now.

But I don't think it was ever a particularly good deal, more of a necessary evil.

So unless you’re a millionaire, packing 8 inches, or are dating well below you, it’s tough to hold onto one.

The problem is with "tough to hold onto one". This is "trying to make it work", and women ruthlessly exploit this male instinct while simultaneously losing interest.

The solution is to give up on the lie/dream of "happily ever after", stop trying to hold onto her or trying to make the relationship work, and instead work on yourself and your dating skills.

Give up on the whole idea of This One Super Special Snowflake and enjoy women as they are and for what they are.

Or am I just being un-based by preemptively worried about my future marriage situation?

Have you learned nothing OP??? DO NOT MARRY. You've articulated that it's a terrible idea, why are you holding onto it?

[–]I_love_you_broskis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Next step of red Pill is > #MGTOW

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Whenever I read these types of posts it makes me depressed thinking about marrying an educated girl. I'm a muslim and even muslim girls that attend college/uni simply can't be trusted. I've seen too much. Makes me wonder if an arranged marriage is actually a good idea sometimes.

[–]sx_appeal4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel you man, but I think religion (if she is an OK Muslim, not too liberal) will control her from cheating on you. I know that these kind of women exist.

However, it will not prevent her from hating your guts if you are a beta and ask for divorce, or replace her love to you and aim it towards the children which is even worse in my opinion. That's from what I have seen, not from experience.

[–]Garathon2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Look at the bright side: the fear of getting stoned is a pretty good deterrent from cheating.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I know you're kidding, but I live in Canada so no one is getting stoned here lol. The worst thing that can happen is if the public finds out she's a slut

[–]Garathon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought everyone was getting stoned in Canada nowadays?

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Socio-religio-cultural insulation is the best shot you've got honestly. Any decently attractive girl without some sort of insulation in the west is going to have ALL kinds of baggage/issues/slutiness etc. This isnt to say that insulated girls dont have the capacity but they have to face bigger obstacles to be degenerates.

[–]raadim1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's how are species survived for millennia. Only technology changed. In the past there would be a group of alphas invading your village and fucking your women while killing you.

It's actually not that bad today compared to the past. You think it's sad because you're young and new to red pill. As you will grow you will embrace it and take advantage of it.

[–]mgtownigga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah it's pretty trash, but what can you do about it?

[–]seedster50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Live in eastern Europe Asia or the middle East. More family values than here

[–]RedHoodhandles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes without social limitations on womens hypergamy, the rationale decision for men is to never marry. If you want kids, don't count on her not jumping on strange dick and pull some betaslob(s) into your kids life and influencing them. Pray that you have enough time to leave a lasting positive impression on your kids. If you want to move together with her without having kids/planning on kids in the near future, just don't. If you are vetting for 'mother of your kids potential', vet properly.

[–]joner8880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Extremely sad. Its a cancer that has been growing and spreading since the end of traditionalism. ( 17-18th century)

[–]joner8880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Extremely sad. Its a cancer that has been growing and spreading since the end of traditionalism. ( 17-18th century)

[–]bostezo220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OP... You have described the situation pretty well. That's why I am worried about you. Yes, society sucks and chicks are over estimated. But hey, why are you thinking in marriage? You are young. Find what you love to do. Find your mission. Enjoy the decline. Dont look for the unicorn, she is not there. You have to spin plates, try the chicks. And DONT GET MARRIED. Please, do it for you and don't get married.

In which way marriage benefits you nowadays?

[–]NPC725210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Serious question. Why does this bother you? You know there are no unicorns but you also know there are many women who won't fuck Chad. I assume you do not want to be a Chad yourself. When/If you are ready to marry, vet the women well. Yes, you are being too negative. You have read the literature. You are learning how to alpha. You don't have to be a statistic.

[–]BusterVadge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"She's not yours it's just your turn". Core TRP tenet. Internalize it!

One way to minimize your risks is to carefully vet women. I prefer shy women but even they can hide things from you. My last LTR lasted almost 4 years and it was a Dom/Sub type of arrangement. She never did the branch swing, but broke up with me because I refuse to raise kids with her.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have a 9” cock and was still cheated on. My ex bled every time I fucked her and the pain got so bad that she didn’t want to have sex with me. I remember I couldn’t go balls deep.

On another note- when I was 21 I’ll say I was a 7. Good looks, no facial hair, lived at home, worked full time at a bank. She used to work with me she was sexy. I heard she liked me but didn’t put too much thought to it.

One day she called me on a Saturday and asked me if I’m working. I was. (Pre-trp days) she asked me if I could delete a 5$ charge on her account. I said sure.

She said ok- I’m gonna bring you breakfast. What do you want? I said no it’s ok you don’t have to. Argued for 5 min and I gave in. I asked my co worker what he wanted bc I was gonna give it to him. I already ate.

I had seen this girl before and thought she was alright. Nice face but never looked at body bc she wore baggy clothes. Today she showed up- hair done with some fucking leggings on. I was like- dayum (in my head)

I got out of my chair to hug her (as a greeting) and I almost got wood. This woman had azzzz!!

I was 21. I have model face now. But back then I was baby faced so I don’t see why she was so attracted.

She was 28. Killer body. Didn’t let herself go at 22. She was married on her second husband but she didn’t come across to me as slutty at all. She seemed like a goody good.

Anyway she left and text me “you looked good today” and I was like thnx and she said “we should hang out”.

I never followed through bc she was married but I knew what she wanted. Looking back at it now I shoulda seen what she wanted to do. But oh well. Is what it isS

[–]MisterDeathclaw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Recently started fucking around with a girl HB8 and I've learned pretty much what you've posted here.
Making me feel at peace really, not really caring about how hot the girl is or how well she car washes my dick.
Enjoying her time and taking care of myself and finding new adventures have been less depressing than trying to bone every girl in the market to feel confident.

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[–]I_love_you_broskis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck marriage. MGTOW for life

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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