It Is As If Confidence and Logic Totally Trumps Empathy

TrainingGap2103 · 2025-07-23T22:21:40+00:00

I'm struggling to see the men's rights in this

Big-Flatworm-135 · 2025-07-23T17:30:48+00:00

I’m not sure I’m fully grasping what you’re getting at. But I do think an attraction to confidence and the way confidence can sway people is a horrifying bug in human psychology. Confidence is what gives us cults, and empowers narcissists and con (confidence) artists. I guess my perspective is a little different. I see confidence as less logical and more emotional. Confidence is what hijacks peoples emotions. Manipulating someone’s emotions is how confident people get power over others. Logic and rationality doesn’t need confidence, rationality stands on its own and under cuts emotion. Logic is the antidote to emotional reasoning.

I admit this is a simplification. I don’t think there’s a clear delineation between logic and emotion.

World-Three · 2025-07-23T19:45:07+00:00

If you're speaking from the essence of why do people prefer confidence and logic to empathy in scenarios depending on an encounter? It's because those types of people initiate it more. Think like this... Perfect woman, nicest girl ever, skilled, chill, hobbies you enjoy too, great family, heart of liquid gold, dangerously attractive in a way YOU specifically like... But her chances of being out in the open or talking to you are locked at 0%. What good is that? You won't even know she even thinks anything of you and you'd have to be confident and logical to deduce the idea that you two should be talking...

If you're talking in general though...

If I read correctly, empathy gets discarded more often because while it is a feeling or emotion... It depends on trust. Most of us are raised to have a adequate understanding of right and wrong, but there are many instances where assumedly good people say bad and hateful things about others... How would that be empathetic... People can have the capacity for empathy, and not display any, so you have to trust the other person cares about you enough to show you any.

In comparison, if you were to use logic, or confidence in your choice... If you were to answer or explain in detail, it would be the equivalent of showing your work in math, where regardless if you were right or wrong, the process in which you explained or defended yourself made enough sense to understand and could be applied to thematically similar interactions.

Empathy is also often weaponized without proof... People don't claim confidence or logic as a way to skirt judgement or essentially escape critique for their ideas. There's no empath equivalent for the logic side that are hoping to be given more respect for their connection to deep rooted and emotional feelings of others. If you criticize someone confident or logical, you'll be met with the simple fact they wanted to do it and why, or enough reasons to make you feel a little guilty about pointing your finger at them.

This isn't me talking down on empathy... Literally knowing how someone feels in specific situations and having to also prove it is pretty redundant for casual discussion, but it happens. I'd imagine in this type of setting, it's because hearing things like "women face that too" SHOULD be an invitation to be empathetic from both sides, since both sides supposedly went through it, but we all know it's said that way to steal the care from one person's concern and bring it to another's.

It's disingenuous. And while you could argue the logic and confidence side could also do that, arrogance is typically a word someone has at the ready for someone who they deem "too" confident. So the eject button for those people is very close to the entrance.

lordDandas · 2025-07-23T22:38:38+00:00

Tsch, yeah all this shaming is garbage. Modern men are fine. They don't owe jackshit to the world, other men, or women. "Work on yourself" is an idiotic advice, I prefer to say "Work for yourself".

As for you, there's kind of a false dichotomy. I've heard of a scientist who wanted to freeze their brain for experiments after they die but some time later they had a meltdown over how stupid humanity is and that he is cancelling the experiment. It's an example of a logical person who likely wasn't too respected by people and it caused difficulties in his life. Being logical doesn't make people respect you.

Besides, these confident assholish men often get told they are overconpensating or are insecure.

Title	It Is As If Confidence and Logic Totally Trumps Empathy
Author	Lazy_Doughnut_5570
Upvotes	13
Comments	5
Date	July 23, 2025 5:03 PM UTC (11 months ago)
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