I've recently had a child born. It was the most amazing experience of my life. This little guy coming into the world has immediately given my life purpose and meaning in ways I can't explain. It fills my heart with so much joy.
During the journey while giving birth and the aftercare, it felt like the father was an afterthought in the process and that I should be grateful I had a front row seat to the birth. Which I am! But fatherhood and being a husband is more than a side kick in this process and an integral part of the relationships involved. Anyways, I let this go during the birthing process because the mother went through quite the ordeal and I accepted the back seat role.
However, this trend of back seating the father continued after birth. For example, I sought to understand child development and went to see a therapist in order to l toearn how to raise a strong, secure child. It turns out there are not family programs for this but there are mother child programs that do not accept fathers.
I've searched for other resources and there are a mother child resources for so many things, but fathers are not valued as much. It was even a pain to be the parent with access to medical records, rather than going through my wife.
There are resources on the internet, yes, but the internet is not society or community.
Why does society not value or respect fatherhood as a deeply as motherhood? We play a vital role in the development of children.
Anyone else have experiences like this?
[–]AnFGhosterleft-wing male advocate[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link
This is to bring the discussion here, not a call for you to go to the other sub. Please keep the discussions here.
[–]KrvnkKev 69 points70 points71 points (8 children) | Copy Link
Classic.
[–]AnFGhosterleft-wing male advocate[S] 32 points33 points34 points (7 children) | Copy Link
Women are allowed to comment and post in there and there's a way to mark posts as "men only" so this isn't the issue.
The issue is all the troglodytes bleating about "muh patriarchy."
[–]KrvnkKev 23 points24 points25 points (6 children) | Copy Link
I definitely agree its not the issue, but its still an issue.
[–]AnFGhosterleft-wing male advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Why do you think so?
[–]1bnna2bnna3bnna 15 points16 points17 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Because it demonstrates how the online space is, as we all know and the very need for this group confirms, is dominated by feminism and feminists and every conversation that seeks knowledge is turned into an ideological war in the subject of the post - men.
[–]AnFGhosterleft-wing male advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
While being true he stated one of the issues was that women were allowed to comment on that sub not feminists. Which are not the same thing and runs counter to this sub's position on egalitarianism.
[–]KrvnkKev 3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Its not that women are allowed a voice, its that women's voices are often still given such deference even in what is supposed to be a space explicitly for highlighting mens voices that they can make up 40% of the top responses despite their responses being incredibly ignorant if not outright dismissive to the actual lived experiences of many men.
[–]AnFGhosterleft-wing male advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is why that sub has a "men only" flair. I have no idea why the poster didn't tag it with that. Which is better than the counterpart subs because those will remove men as a matter of course.
[–]1bnna2bnna3bnna -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Indeed - I am delighted my point, narrow and broad was so immediately comprehensible to you.
[–]Local-Willingness784 25 points26 points27 points (1 child) | Copy Link
first and most upvoted comment is literally about patriarchy and the rest are either women, men telling the guy to not whine and berate him and a few really discussing stuff, is this a reddit thing or is it just like that irl? im saying this because i dont see or know any fathers to discuss this.
[–]AnFGhosterleft-wing male advocate[S] 11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Both, but reddit is especially bad about it.
[–]Specific_Detective41left-wing male advocate 16 points17 points18 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Society doesn't take father's as seriously compared to mother's, could be due to a gamma bias. Especially since a mother carries a child for 9 months. Even then the expectation of having a child is just as emotional for the father.
I see that with single father's vs single mothers. Or if the father does household chores, people see it as an expectation whereas a woman is praised.
[–]egalitarianphantomleft-wing male advocate 36 points37 points38 points (3 children) | Copy Link
It's ironic that people are blaming the patriarchy when it was through feminist efforts that tender years doctrine and similar laws were enacted so that children are kept away from men in case of separation.
The Irony here is palpable.
Even Bell Hooks and many feminists have said that women do enjoy the benefits of patriarchy especially in terms of motherhood. So, it's odd that the blame is placed on the men in the patriarchy and not also on the women and feminists who support the patriarchy and are in active participation of the patriarchy in this aspect.
I'd sure do love if feminists put their money where their mouth is by pushing for equal custody policies, advocating against tender years doctrine, affirmative actions in female dominated fields like teachingetc. Despite all their big claims, all I've seen is their efforts to keep their benefits in place.
It's completely fair for women to be acknowledged for their efforts to conceive and deliver a baby despite the risks to them. But the people there are hung up on the birth giving aspect alone and are dismissive of all other things that OP has mentioned.
Not too surprising for me though. Pretty much saw this coming considering the reputation of askmen subreddit.
[–]Septic-Abortion-Ward 13 points14 points15 points (2 children) | Copy Link
It's ironic that for all the railing against the patriarchy from libs, there is no understanding that women, as a class, benefit from it, and men, as a class, do not.
[–]ChimpPimp20 13 points14 points15 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I think it's more the case that BOTH men and women can benefit and be at a disadvantage when it comes to the gender roles.
[–]diagnosissplendid 7 points8 points9 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Because men are primary seen as providers and are discouraged from being feeling beings because that undermines the providing role. Without men - especially fathers - capitalism falls apart, because nobody works harder than somebody who knows they're the difference between a good life for their kids and a bad one. The employment rate for fathers in the UK is usually between 90 and 95 percent - much higher than single men and women, higher than mothers, higher than anyone. We are the elbow that gets twisted by the economy in most households.
Some historic causes probably include:
[–]SchalaZeal01left-wing male advocate 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Only middle class households could afford a single income.
[–]diagnosissplendid 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This was the 19th century and we are talking about the catalyst of widespread trade unionism in the UK. It was completely normal for working class people to have a single income (until their kids were of age to work) and for them to be in terrible poverty. Learn a bit of history.
[–]Local-Willingness784 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
i wonder if the 1% are so into ai because there are less fathers and therefore less men risking it all and grinding mindlessly for their families? that and the birthrate decline maybe.
[–]NotJeromeStuart -2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The father's presence improves some outcomes but not essential.
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[–]AnFGhosterleft-wing male advocate[S,M] 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
No comment history, immediately comes in to insult the user base, says nothing constructive.
Boys, I think we got ourselves a bad faith user!
[–]Chance_Dog_6281 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
What user base did I insult? I said fathers are often shit and quite frankly it's true. The number of people I know with fathers who are/were abusive or absent is legion.
[–]DronedAgain -4 points-3 points-2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Because in the recent past, and still, stay-at-home moms are considered the primary parent. Also, the bond between mother and child is inherently stronger through nursing and the care that mothers provide to babies. You can do a lot, but women have the advantage naturally.
Men will probably always relegated to second string in the parenting game.
However, the most important thing is what your kids think and feel when they're older. Raise them well and they will love and respect you, and you will always hold a special place in their heart.
[–]Specific_Detective41left-wing male advocate 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That isn't true. Father's bond can be as strong as a mother's. In fact there's even some studies to prove that raising a new born child elicits a similar emotional response like it has with mother's.