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About working out, getting jacked, and using performance enhancing drugs

pleasedontknowme30

June 3, 2014
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Title About working out, getting jacked, and using performance enhancing drugs
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pleasedontknowme30

Upvotes 3
Comments 17
Date June 3, 2014 4:50 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel the same way about men that take steroids as I do about women who get cosmetic surgery: most of the time, it isn't worth it, it costs time, energy, and money, unwanted side-effects, doesn't address the underlying problems of insecurity, and the person is worse off afterwards.

[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I love the entire Bill Burr skit about plastic surgery..."you found a new age between 52 and 53. Do you want to be 52, or do you want to look like a 28 year old lizard" :) here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pznB7WP4P1o

[–]kempff 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

or do you want to look like a 28 year old lizard

I'm using that.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Removed. Please see the sticky. Off topic posts now belong here: /r/TRPOffTopic.

[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

then remove the flair :)

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It may go away with time. We need to ensure it won't muck up our ability to filter old threads previously flaired.

[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sounds good. The off topic only had 4 posts in it...that is the unfortunate part, is someone can ask there, and likely won't get a response since nobody frequents it.

edit - DURRRRR...just realized it was newly created.

[–]DrakeSaint 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll jump to TRT if my hormone levels start to drop abruptly. I can live with my testosterone levels being average. Doesn't mean I can't naturally try to jack it up with exercises, high protein diets and feeding my body the necessary nutrients and testosterone enhancers which do not affect the endocrine system (Tribulus Terrestris; it is proved to raise free test levels).

Anyone who did sufficient research will understand steroids is the complete opposite of a TRP idea; you pay too much for a short-term peak. If you're smart, you use the same resources for steady, long-term climbs. It gets harder the more our society tells us the value of being perfect NOW.

I've been called a supplement-slave before, but anyone who lives through a monday-friday 44-hour job routine and spends more than 3 hours daily dedicated to commuting can't get the necessary nutrients from diet alone. 0.5g per pound is nearly impossible without the aid of supplements. And there are those which do not have artificial stuff dreaded by nattys (albumine).

All this being said, my cousin needed to take steroids because he was way below the average hormone-wise for his age (15 at the time). He went through testosterone treatment, together with many other drugs to keep side effects clear, and became a jacked up motherfucker at 18. Basically, he took a complete 180º from a skinny beta to a ripped, muscled, bearded guy (he still is a midget at 5'4", though).

[–]Axotl 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I looked into it years ago but the whole post-cycle therapy thing put me off. It's not as simple as 'taking it', you have to take other substances afterwards just to mitigate the side-effects, and the dosages have to be spot on.

For example, http://thinksteroids.com/articles/post-cycle-therapy-pct/

It's a dimension many guys don't really think about. So a huge number of users really fuck themselves up.

[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly!!! There is pre, post, guys might get sensitive breasts, gyno, etc... its fucking retarded for "most" men. Yes, it will make the avg gym rat excel quicker at muscle, strength, and fat loss..because the avg natty typically has to bulk for muscle, or cut for fat loss...doing both at the same time is very hard to do...but definitely easier for a teen or low 20's guy, then someone in their 30's. When I bulk and get stronger, I gain fat with it..and when I cut, I lose some strength/muscle. It's the gift that keeps on giving ;)

[–]x7CR7x -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You welcome to your opinion regarding AAS use. However, you clearly have not done your research regarding the environmental factors that contribute to throwing the average Western males endocrine system out of homeostasis as well as the possibilities of other systems getting broken due to high stimulant intake, metabolic down regulation etc.

TLDR: shut the fuck up if you haven't really researched anything.

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[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

most 20 year old men don't need to be going on gear to get "jacked". Fact.

[–]Azediae 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

most 20 year old men don't need to be going on gear to get "jacked". Fact.

It's not that simple unless you're a genetic outlier or a 20 year old in 1920. Allow me to expound upon what x7CR7x probably meant but failed to actually mention/explain.

First, some background - I used to have poor nutrition, no exercise, a fucked up sleep schedule along with a sedentary lifestyle and my first test about a year ago came back at 573ng/dl of testosterone. I'm currently at around 1351ng/dl and my body feels pretty great.

Most Western men can still gain a respectable amount of muscle mass despite having but a fraction of the testosterone our ancestors did and while you are correct that a 20-year old SHOULDN'T need juice to build a physque, I invite you to consider a more reasonable, balanced approach - there's really only two ways to be "optimal" nowadays:

1) My preferred, "natty" way (pricy): Eliminate BPA, plastics, GMO, GH and Artificial/Processed foods from your diet. Drink only RO water with a dual post-filter, you really don't want to know what Fluoride and the other chemicals in tap (and most bottled) water do to your endocrine system in the long run. Consume at least 40% of your calories from Fat with at least .5g protein per pound of lean body weight. All these should help your body reduce downregulation of Testosterone sufficiently to build a respectable physique but take dedication because of the strict diet that will require daily cooking and still cost you $15-25 per day because of its high ingredient quality.

  • GMO products by themselves aren't necessarily detrimental, but because they often coincide with GH and Pesticide augmented farming methods, I prefer to avoid these - there is a sufficient lack of scientific evidence on this subject to dismiss this as my personal opinon.

  • Most bottled water is slightly filtered tap water, nothing more - FDA regulations for the definition of "purified" are very loose and open to interpretation. For a cheap/good RO system I recommend Microline TFC-435, I'm in California and combined with a ZeroWater pitcher it reduces my water pollution from 430-480ppm at the tap down to .865 or less in my glass. The 64oz Klean Kanteens are great BPA-free containers.

2) Eat shitty food, drink shitty water & juice like a motherfucker.

I'm a firm believer that there is no such thing as free lunch in Biology and in the vast majority of cases everything is a trade-off, so I'd recommend approach #1 by far.

[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

happy cake day.

[–]ocho-muerte 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I am just a genetic outlier, but i fall between 1 and 2. I try to eat as clean as I can, but shit what you have laid out here are "radical" lefts and rights of the should I take roids spectrum. Most guys view roids as a quick means to their genetic potential, at least most on r/bodybuilding.

As for your last sentence, I couldn't agree more. Watch Broscience - pros and cons of taking steroids, it's satire but still pretty much lays out the cons as overwhelming.

[–][deleted] -4 points-4 points-4 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you consider that me talking "down" to anyone in this group, well ok then. but I wasn't.

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