Red Pill Analysis of Asian/Indian American Dating.

H42 · 2014-08-26T18:25:20+00:00

Here are all three things you need to know about that; it just doesn't matter if you are Indian, Asian, or White:

Never Marry.
Never Marry!
NEVER MARRY!

redpillbanana · 2014-08-26T18:30:24+00:00

Good analysis.

Believe it or not, the first male sex symbol in Hollywood was a Japanese man in 1915:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sessue_Hayakawa

The Wikipedia article theorizes:

His popularity, sex appeal, and extravagant lifestyle (e.g., his wild parties and his gold-plated Pierce-Arrow) may have fed tension within segments of American society and led to discriminatory stereotypes and the desexualization of Asian men in American productions, something that continues to today in Modern Hollywood

Whether for this reason or for other reasons, Asian men are considered by many to be low-status in the USA and many other Western/Anglophone countries.

In /r/AsianMasculinity I have a submission about the dating situation for Asian men in the West: http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/788549

Notable excerpt:

For example, consider an Asian man who would like to data a White woman. In order to be as desirable to her as a White man who earns $62,500 per year, he needs to have an additional income of $247,000 (i.e., he needs to make $309,500 per year).

Men don't have an innate need to have sex with women from a higher status group (e.g. men will have sex with prostitutes, a very low-status group) but require a woman that their family will approve of for marriage. Thus, white men will have sex with Asian women but often will just spin them as plates, while the Asian women sleep with the white men because of the perceived higher status of the white men.

Some Asian women will even go beyond merely rejecting their fellow Asian men and actively denounce them in the media. Many show a perfect willingness to throw Asian men under the bus to win approval and acceptance into the dominant culture.

Deep down, these Asian women who live in Western countries consider their own race to be inferior and therefore consider all the guys in their race to be beta. When they hit the wall and discover that the white guys only consider them a plate and not true marriage material, the turn back to their own race for some sweet beta bucks.

Because of hypergamy, the way Asian-American women behave is very consistent with the way a lower-value or conquered group would behave with respect to a higher value or conquering group, i.e. the war bride phenomenon. By behaving the way they do, they not only de-value Asian men, they also devalue their culture and themselves as well. Of course, they don't do this on purpose, but in aggregate, that is the end result.

More and more Asian/Indian men who live in the West are waking up are seeing the pattern these days - here are a couple of TRP threads on the same topic:

Now, here's a few points on the plus side:

An Asian man firing on all cylinders in the West is going to do well despite being Asian or any other disadvantages he happens to have (short, unattractive face, poor, live w/parents, etc)
There are entire countries of women out there who respect Asian men more than women in the West. I've found that the less English they speak, the nicer they are to Asian men, but that is admittedly a huge generalization. For example: French women, Russian women, Brazilian women, and of course, women who live in Asia. (The sad part - many women in Asia prefer white men as well.)
Things are getting better for Asians as the world becomes less racist. For example, Asians have come a long way in the media since I.Y. Yunioshi in "Breakfast at Tiffany's". These days there are some great Asian men as role models in Hollywood.
Now have a great online communities such as Reddit where we can share information like never before in history. This will help you learn the truth faster and help you form strategies to achieve what you want in life.

I'll say it yet again - there's one key RP principle that applies here:

If the kitten didn't want me, I don't want the cat.

And yes, don't get married.

colombianguy · 2014-08-26T16:52:58+00:00

"The main reason Asian women prefer White dudes is not because Asians are beta, it’s because they prefer White physical features"

This sticks out like sore thumb and is something I struggle with. Although I am not fully asian, I am half asian and retained more asian facial features that are considered "feminine".

As such, self improvement that works for white guys seems to be such a struggle for asians, in the physical sense. I have been lifting for 7-8 years and have my proportions down to the point where I am starting to look like a fitness model - however, my inability to grow facial and body hair coupled with a feminine (unmasculine) looking face means I cannot attract a white girl that is more than maybe a 6 unless I put in extreme extreme effort. While as most white men, if they had lifted as long as me, dressed well, and grew a nice five o clock shadow, could pull 8-9's with ease.

I think it comes down this: Most asians completely lack the physical qualities that american women find physically attractive. -Most asians have very thin frames and narrow shoulders (broad shoulders are attractive) -Most asians cannot grow facial or body hair, any at all (five o clock shadows and chest hair is attractive) -Most asians have feminized facial features (unnattractive)

All of the above are things that cannot be fixed by lifting/dressing well. Unless plastic surgery or hair transplants.

switchme808 · 2014-08-27T00:10:42+00:00

Here's the stereotype that does as much if not more damage than the ones you listed above:

"Asian men have small dicks."

It makes Asian men a joke in everyone's eyes. It's pervasive and poisonous enough to take an Asian male's SMV down to 0 before he's said a word. Not to mention it's so difficult to combat, since short of stripping down, how is anyone gonna know?

Flip the script: "Asian women have small vaginas." Now you've got a stereotype that increases their SMV.

Such is life.

rikitikicr · 2014-08-26T20:20:59+00:00

The main reason Asian women prefer White dudes is not because Asians are beta, it’s because they prefer White physical features

I'm not sure this is entirely true. The big problem is that Indian/Asian men are raised to be the biggest betas on the planet. Almost all the raising of young children is done by the women in the family. If you're part of a typical Indian family, you would constantly be with a female relative being indoctrinated into betaness.

So when the Indian women first encounter white men, even if they're beta, to them they seem like the biggest alphas ever. Because compared to Indian men (including their fathers), they are. Gina tingles abound, and that, to me, explains this phenomenon.

The rare Indian male who was raised in the US with significant alpha behaviour role models, is easily able to plate Indian women, and he has a bigger advantage, because he is more culturally acceptable.

RedPillProphet · 2014-08-27T06:37:55+00:00

It's true. I recommend all Asian / Indian guys work 2x as hard to separate themselves from the stereotype.

Let me tell you the secret to being able to bang all the Asians / Indians you want as a male of that race: be able to fuck white chicks. You have these first-gen Indian / Asians who are trying their hardest to be western and cool and do what white girls do. It's pretty sad when you see it, but it is what it is, a lot of immigrants' kids have these type of issues. When you figure out how to fuck white chicks as a Indian or Asian guy, your non-white friends will start to IOI you like crazy. Don't believe me? Get a white GF and take her to a social event with that fine indian chick you've been trying to pull.

Indian women / Asian women have a brutal combination of solid RPW-type knowledge, but a weird combination of inferiority and superiority complexes. What this means is that if they start to realize they are missing the marriage train and their friends all are playing house with high-achieving males... they pull out all stops and use complete sociopath game to snag a BB. White girls do this too, but white girls don't receive the same knowledge and cultural awareness of how screwed you are if you can't marry by around 25, so they do not act with the same urgency and desperation.

This is why I recommend all Asian / Indian guys who are on track to being very high SMV spin plates with non-Asians just to basically gain the experience they need to not get manipulated by the games these non-white chicks can play. When you're values up and you've forged yourself into a clear AF candidate, when you have learned how to sniff out HoFax like Sherlock, then you can date / LTR one of the younger, least hamstery, least westernized Asian / Indian and have a solid plate or LTR relationship.

garlicextract · 2014-08-26T18:57:07+00:00

This doesn’t mean that an Asian guy you can’t succeed in dating nor am I saying that you are limited to dating an Asian girl. What I am telling you, is that if you do choose to marry an Asian girl VET THE SHIT OUT OF HER. Indian girls especially are masters at hiding their sexual exploits, not even their own friends know about the guys they are seeing.

Anyone have advice here? I'm Indian, and will agree here. Unlike girls of other races, you can't simply check out their facebook and talk to a few of their friends to find out if they've slept around. So how the hell do you go about doing this?

For example in the OP, the OP's girl never mentioned she had been with any white guys (not that it matter what race the dude was, just the fact she is lying), and that she "had a bf she never fucked" in HS.

If this guy didn't luck out to read the ipad textmessages, he would have NO CLUE. I for one do not want to place my faith that I'll stumble upon the necessary text messages to not get caught in a trap.

--_-_-_-_-_-_-_-- · 2014-08-26T19:06:13+00:00

Any non white female in the "west" that does not hold on to her cultural values will likely worship white males just because thats what influences her and she aspires to most.

You can see the reverse with white women and hip hop culture. When a white woman is surrounded by a dominant black culture then she will aspire to those cultural norms by dating desirable black men.

Asian culture in mainstream "western" society has little influence.

LastRevision · 2014-08-26T18:12:37+00:00

Watch the Indian-American character's arc from The Office- a sitcom as blue-pill as it gets, for confirmation here:

Indian Kelly pines for white Ryan and becomes a plate for him.
Ryan is AT BEST disinterested in Kelly as a prospective for LTR and at worst emotionally manipulative towards her.
Kelly meets an Indian doctor/blue pill provider.
Ryan talks Kelly into leaving this provider to seemingly remain a plate for him.

Even on this vanilla, blue pill sitcom, they can't help but confirm that an Indian girl would rather be with an abusive white man as a plate rather than date a fucking INDIAN DOCTOR.

jagrmeister721 · 2014-08-26T19:36:07+00:00

The main reason Asian women prefer White dudes is not because Asians are beta, it’s because they prefer White physical features.

No, it's status. I've seen attractive Asian women with fat white guys, gangly white guys, etc. Rarely do I see a hot Asian woman with a not-so-attractive Asian guy; not an Asian-American woman anyway. Status, pre-selection are real things; I've noticed whenever I hook up with a chick and I have high status in that environment (or exhibit pre-selection by turning away other girls), the girl has a more powerful orgasm in bed.

White men have higher status and status is the primary form of attraction to the modern woman. A guy with good features who gets dominated or stepped in on social interactions will be less attractive than a less attractive guy who is respected by his male peers.

There is a social pecking order in America that's heavily influenced by race; even though it's invisible and not spoken about in polite company, it's very real. You can use Game to raise your status and break these boundaries (to a degree).

however if that was the case we would see a much higher rate of Asians that dated to also end up marrying White guys.

You think that's because Asian women are saying no to white guys for marriage?? :)

isolos · 2014-08-26T19:06:15+00:00

Asian women flock to white men in the US because white men on average have higher social status than asian men. Because the US is a white majority country.

Go to Asia and you will see the opposite - women prefer Asian men because Asian men have higher status in Asia.

While it is true that white men typically have more masculine features, it is just a symptom, not the cause. The underlying reason is that women prefer higher status men.

Locastor · 2014-08-27T01:32:59+00:00

The main reason Asian women prefer White dudes is not because Asians are beta, it’s because they prefer White physical features.

The reason this happens with Asian-Americans is because of the cultural milieu they are immersed in. An Asian girl born and bred in her own native country would have seen an entirely different race of people on TV sitcoms, standing up performing in clubs, plastered over billboards on the highway, featured on potato chip wrappers etc.

Hence the trend of people going back to the "old country" to marry.

2014-08-26T18:18:10+00:00

White girls are far more fun in bed.

Asian Guy

2014-08-27T06:43:26+00:00

Multiculturalism despite it's feel good intentions produce negative gains for all effected parties.

Median2 · 2014-08-26T19:32:35+00:00

So, call me crazy, but I think your premise that Asian girls prefer white features is a crock. I live in New York, and most of my friends are Asian so I know quite a bit about their culture and spend ALOT of time in places like Chinatown K-town etc. and something like 95% of the time the Asian girls exclusively date Asian guys. Only the rare Asian girl that is more white than Asian (in looks and personality) actively dates white guys. Even in fancier more whitewashed bars/clubs I rarely see an Asian girl there with a white guy or even flirting/dancing with a white guy.

Just my two cents on this subject.

kami_kakushi · 2014-08-26T19:25:59+00:00

this is only women of asian decent who are living in the west, these arent real asians

generally speaking chinese women prefer chinese men, and japanese women prefer japanese men, korean women really prefer korean men

the family structure is much more intact in the east, confucian values, traditions and so on makes it so that the vast majority will choose their own race to continue these traditions that they were raised to value

for a few, dating outside their race is possible, but most of this few will never marry outside their race, it would really fuck up their parents expectations and go strongly against their upbringing

the_doodabides · 2014-08-26T19:10:06+00:00

Im honestly curious, do yall think its because us asian folk are stereotypically supposed to be short stroking ?

I was never successful with women until i had a stable job and the few times ive been laid, they were surprised that I was normal. It kinda annoys me that women expect me to accept them, small tits and all, but wont give me a chance based on a stereotype, which I will grant is true.

masterpill7 · 2014-08-26T20:51:49+00:00

is not because Asians are beta, it’s because they prefer White physical features.

I disagree here. Men from Asian cultures (with some exceptions like Persians and I would argue, Filipinos) are more beta because that's the culture there. When an Asian girl is with a white beta guy she sees this as normal as the majority of guys from her own culture will also be beta guys.

Though physical attraction is also an aspect as many seem to put white people on a pedastal, this is probably due to Hollywood perpetuating its own standard of beauty. I would say the lack of an Asian alpha role model doesn't help their situation.

That being said, I know a couple of Asian alphas but they are all fully Americanized.

goodguy29 · 2014-08-26T20:55:16+00:00

An Asian girl can be with a White guy that acts beta, but to her he is high value.

I often wonder if the reason for this is a lot of white guys' attitudes toward Asian women. Personally, I've never been attracted to Asian women at all (except Indian girls, I've always had a thing for them), yet half the girls I've ever had pining after me seem to be Asian. Perhaps it was this complete lack of interest that attracted them. I don't know.

phil619 · 2014-08-26T22:08:11+00:00

Can you make this same analysis but including Africans and Latin-americans?

FDAshillbot · 2014-10-14T05:14:31+00:00

The main reason Asian women prefer White dudes is not because Asians are beta, it’s because they prefer White physical features.

They prefer white physical features, but what you don't discuss is whether those preferences are innate or not.

We know that women are more attracted to men with mates, and more attracted to men who are considered "desirable" by other women. We know that women care about social status more than any other metric.

If you want, do a quick tally of white vs. non-white male protagonists in heroic/desirable roles on TV and in movies.

It's not just in the media, it's everywhere you look. The very term "white privilege" gives white men an advantage, insinuating that there is a privilege associated with being white.

In studies, women prefer darker eyed/haired white guys to lighter eyed/haired white guys.

"White features" are not uncommon at all among people of south Asian and Mideastern extraction, as far as facial structure and morphology go.

The real reason girls love white guys is not because of any inherent preference in facial features or pigmentation, but mainly because they rule the world, and it's very apparent that they do.

If western influence starts to degrade (unlikely) or if non-white men start making major appearances in media (more likely) I think it's very probable that these preferences will change significantly.

2014-08-26T19:23:41+00:00

Indian men are terrible in bed. You ever watch amateur Indian porn? Release the downvotes!

GayLubeOil · 2014-08-27T02:04:45+00:00

This post has some wierd racial animosity towards white dudes for fucking asian women and resentment towards asians for fucking white dudes.Im going to set the record straight with my Russian perspective. As a tall muscular white dude I cant help but fuck asian women. They way asian girls look at me I just know its going to be a low effort fuck. Its not that I have a preferance for asians. I dont. Its just that asian women are so down to ride this euro dick that id be retarded not to spit some game.

My school was heavily chinease American. Let me explain why asian dudes dont get laid as even low SMV white dudes. Chinese in general are averse to risk and conflict and incredibly group oriented. The UCLA laundry room is brimming with parents because many of the asians are such perfectionists that they are afraid to wash their clothes. Yelp has a disproportionate amount of asian reviews because asians are too conflict averse to complain to the waitor. When it comes to disputing a party fine or traffic citation dont expect your asian friend to go because he is averse to any kind of conflict or risk.

When it comes to dating asian men are paralyzed by fear of upsetting the asian collective. If Tiffany Fang says no to going to the dance with me than Amanda Troung will find out and then ohh no such awful asian disgrace. White dudes on the other hand are pressured by other whites to go for it and not be a pussy. Asians men are careful because they think they have a lot to lose. Whites think they have nothing to lose. A beta white will at least try, an asian wont.

TLDR: dont be mad at me for balling asian sloots its your fault.

zzfish1095 · 2014-08-27T02:24:34+00:00

This post is a little too racist for my comfort. It based in much data and uses a lot of stereotypes.

For example, in the Pacific Northwest, where there are a lot of asians, there are also a lot of alpha asians. Some of the most alpha dudes I know are asians from the Pacific Northwest. There is also a lot of cultural diversity within Asia, and not all Asian cultures are conflict avoiding. There is some truth to what is said here, but posts like this make the red pill look like a fundamentalist group. Thats why I downvoted.

awesomesalsa · 2014-08-26T18:46:34+00:00

ITT: insecure betas blaming their ethnicity for their romantic failures

Space-Boy · 2014-08-26T17:49:33+00:00

Not true I pick up hot Asian chicks all the time ... white chicks are a different story. Then again it does help looking like Asian JGL

Red Pill Analysis of Asian/Indian American Dating.

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