Rational Male : Male Space

Scymnus · 2014-06-04T12:54:29+00:00

Something I learned is that you should never EVER let females take over your social circle. They'll rip it to shreds with drama and destabilizing the male relationships. I've seen it countless times, girls come into a social group and suddenly all the guys feel like they have to one-up each other. They'll create drama to make the whole group focus on them instead of the goals of the group.

Having a few females around for pre-selection is always nice, but be sure that they are the timid ones instead of openly attention-whores.

RedBigMan · 2014-06-04T13:41:53+00:00

I think this phenomenon (the female drive to infiltrate male spaces) is best displayed through that Dutch Survivor Island TV show where they separated the men and women. The women had everything to gain by joining the male tribe. The men were hardworking and motivated and resources abounded. In a word, the male tribe was prosperous. Meanwhile the men didn't have much to gain by joining the female tribe. The women were lazy and self-indulgent, and they had almost no resources (not even a hut!) In a word, the female tribe was stagnant.

When it comes to male survival it is better for men to recruit women to their own tribe than it is for men to join the female tribe. And when it comes to female survival it is better for women to infiltrate the male tribe than it is to entice men to join their tribe. Everything revolves around the male tribe.

Now I'm a proponent of evo-psych and I think most of the stupid shit people do can be explained through primitive fears and drives that served some purpose many thousands of years ago. I think women have a fundamental drive to install themselves into male tribes. This would have kept women alive a long time ago but now it just makes them annoying.

Now infiltrating male spaces is one thing, but I think we're all really annoyed by the feminization of these spaces as a result of female attendance. I think that this is as much the fault of men as women and is a result of gynocentricity. The women who have been most successful in passing on their genes have been those who prioritized their own safety, comfort, and well-being at the expense of others (especially men).

So when a woman infiltrates a male space and demands that the space conform to her, she is only following her biological imperative to A. Situate herself in a prosperous male tribe, and B. Prioritize her own safety, comfort, and well-being at the expense of the other members of that tribe.

It's great to have spaces like this where women hold no sway over the masculine atmosphere and those who do try to voice their opinions on how we should feminize our space get taunted and exiled.

OsoFeo · 2014-06-04T16:05:55+00:00

Just like any other male space, the manosphere is subject to all the sanitization efforts of the Feminine Imperative I’ve outlined in this post – by both women and men who still ascribe to feminine-primacy.

I've noticed efforts of some in r/MR to try to distance themselves from r/TPR. Presumably the unconscious motive is to sanitize the manosphere for feminine acceptablity.

comefromspace · 2014-06-04T17:24:28+00:00

It goes deeper than that. There are no female spaces, not because of some oppression, but because women are not wired to create groups of shallow relationships. But then again all humans, including women, get a dopamine kick when they feel they "belong" somewhere. Women always wanted to be in male spaces, primarily because they admire and want to follow men. In contrast, women's groups are weak, with constant backstabbing, lack of leadership/hierarchy and in general they are not productive. Women socialize differently, they need validation, and are more persistent manipulators, but that occurs in 1-1 relationships.

The lack of male spaces in western culture is the raison d'etre of TRP. In fact, TRP is a male space, exactly because its antifeminist nature keeps women away.

consumer_of_fungy · 2014-06-04T14:42:02+00:00

Good article as usual, I wish I can contribute some of my ideas on this topic but it's late and I need sleep. I'll link a fantastic piece on woman entering male spaces from an evolutionary perspective which may add to this topic.

Woman's Primordial Fear

2014-06-04T17:46:24+00:00

Reminds me of this book:

'The Way of Men'

http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2012/03/the-way-of-men-masculinity-explained/

rebuildingMyself · 2014-06-05T04:55:03+00:00

Reminds me if the time Jezebel made asses of themselves by bitching that the Daily Show had no female writers on their staff. The shot fired back was brilliant: Jezebel demands equality except for themselves where it's okay to have all female staff.

Women demand resources and security from these all male groups, nothing else. It's perfectly fine for them to gate themselves away from men but if men do it, it's like some kind of atrocity is being committed. Ideally, they set up a situation like most coed gyms today: 90% of the space is for both genders, 10% is reserved for women only, but both genders pay the same fees (so women are subsidized essentially)

ADrunkenmonkey · 2014-06-04T13:51:05+00:00

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bama79rolltide · 2014-06-04T18:04:04+00:00

"It’s an easy task to set men against each other when they perceive sexual rivals to be part of an out-group, and feminine influence in male space fosters this passive (sometimes active) infighting amongst men. Disrupting male bonding, or even the potential for it, limits men’s potential to unify in their own interests and their own imperatives. There are many in-group examples of all male space where this infighting and resentment plays out – it’s important to understand that male-exclusive forms of communication, testing, encouragement and shit talking, are in no way limited to just the locker room. Even guys in the chess club will give each other shit – at least until the Feminine Imperative inserts itself there."

That was the most important thing to read.

neveragoodtime · 2014-06-04T14:53:09+00:00

Imagine a hamburger joint that allowed Chinese food to infiltrate it's menu. Would the hamburgers or Chinese be better from this cultural blending? Chinese food is good, hamburgers are good. But they have entirely different flavors, and I can't imagine it would be successful. Sometimes guys want a hamburger, it's not a rejection of Chinese.

And the "culture" slur is interesting, I thought all cultures were supposed to be equivalent in the progressive feminist view. But implying rapists share a culture with each other who get together Tuesday's for bowling, and making a moral argument that one culture is better than others seems rather ethnocentric. Perhaps ethnocentrism is the social equivalent of solipsism in feminism.

Angelsrflamabl · 2014-06-05T01:51:57+00:00

I do find a difference in mentality between women who want to be in the club and want to meet its standards... and women who want to change the standards so they can be in the club.

Though the "that is offensive to say!" shit has been getting to me. Calm the fuck down. I will insult every person in the room before I am done, and they will all insult me. Most of us will laugh about it. THe people who get butt hurt won't be invited back, gender be damned.

Title	Rational Male : Male Space
Author	scottishredpill
Upvotes	53
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Date	June 4, 2014 11:48 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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