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Career beta looking for tips on maintaining frame, without anger, during early transformation

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August 8, 2019
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Recently swallowed the pill, but I've been working on my shit for ~19 months. (See my OYS post for details.)

I now have at least the beginnings of my own frame, and I've had productive conversations with my wife, setting new expectations and boundaries, that she agreed to, and has followed up on.

But then I hit the anger phase.

I found this post about moving past the anger phase. I'm working on all 7 suggestions, which I have put into practice and see the wisdom in, but I can tell it will take time.

I can see my anger is rooted in fear of falling back into beta nice-guy mindset, and back into my wife's frame. As a decade-long career beta the fear is huge. It's happened before, and it took me 6 months to recover and extricate myself from the "nice-guy/self-sacrifice = meaning" mindfuck.

Here's what I'm doing about it:

  • Bought No More Mr. Nice Guy today
  • I have the beginnings of a Morpheus relationship going
  • Hitting the gym at every opportunity (min. 3x weekly)
  • Hiking every weekend and pushing into hobbies
  • Practicing social interactions (I hesitate to call it "game" this early in my journey) wherever possible, especially with women
  • Buying shit I need for my hobbies
  • Reading TRP resources/sidebar at work

All this looks and feels great, and I know I'm moving the needle. But I'm at a huge risk of falling back.

I feel like I need a month away from my wife, to soak up TRP, and build my own goals, frame, and foundation. Logistically that would be very hard to pull off.

What else can I do to maintain frame and avoid backsliding, while moving beyond anger?


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Title Career beta looking for tips on maintaining frame, without anger, during early transformation
Author austindcc
Upvotes 11
Comments 47
Date 08 August 2019 09:56 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/247766
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/cnspz0/career_beta_looking_for_tips_on_maintaining_frame/
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[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy

Why are you at a huge risk for falling back? 19 months in? Wtf.

Once you see the matrix you can’t unsee it. What’s your fucking problem?

Have you read mmslp yet? It’s time.

Free up some time to develop:

Go on more business trips, wake up earlier to study, journal, or work out. Turn your car into a red pill university- listen to YouTube videos. Go day gaming on your lunch time at work- where women hang out (not dudes) - colleges, coffee shops, shopping mails, etc.

Is she fucking you?

Did you go through the anger phase yet? Mine took me months to get through - take it out in the iron temple- but once i was on the other side.. there was NO TURNING BACK. I was blind but now I see moment. I knew what I had to do.

Sounds like you never experienced this yet.

[–]Cmvplease22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I went through an anger phase and then fell back into beta. The anger phase was less productive than beta. I never made it. Reading about this stuff is not swallowing the pill. You have to do the work and actually see results before the "aha" moment comes. This is trial #2 for me. I know beta doesn't work. Anger certainly doesn't work. Being fit, DNGAF and real confidence are required. It takes a year of solid work before the pill is fully swallowed. It's easy to just read about RP for a year without putting in the work. I know I'm not there but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel for the first time.

[–]austindcc2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Why are you at a huge risk for falling back? 19 months in? Wtf.

From my OP:

Recently swallowed the pill, but I've been working on my shit for ~19 months.

As in, I'm new to MRP but I'm not new to responsibility (no victim bullshit)

Did you go through the anger phase yet?

I'm angry but not for the reasons outlined in the post I linked in OP. I went through most of that shit last year. I've adopted an angry edge to my attitude as a defense mechanism from falling back into my wife's frame.

Sounds like you never experienced this yet.

I'm probably not through the anger phase. I know what I have to do but it's not yet internalized, at least the MRP aspects of manhood. I will never un-swallow the pill but I can see myself slowly drifting back into old habits.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm not new to responsibility (no victim bullshit)

Then why are you asking retards on the internet for advice instead of doing your own work? Every single resource you need is out there.

[–]austindcc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Good question. I've run my own program long enough to know I have what it takes to get healthy without retards on the internet.

Two ideas come to mind:

  1. Camaraderie. I'm sick of doing it alone and would rather join like-minded men.
  2. Speed. I bet I could speed things up by learning from all your fuckups instead of just mine.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

2 is actually a good answer.

1 - you're still alone. This is as anonymous as it gets.

I'm sure you're successful in other areas. How'd you get successful in other areas? I'm guessing it came down to having to put in the work intelligently.

[–]austindcc0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Answering your other questions:

What’s your fucking problem?

Career beta starting a whole new outlook on myself and my relationship. Doesn't happen overnight.

Have you read mmslp yet? It’s time.

No. I have NMMNG on the way. MMSLP next.

Go on more business trips, wake up earlier to study, journal, or work out. Turn your car into a red pill university- listen to YouTube videos. Go day gaming on your lunch time at work- where women hang out (not dudes) - colleges, coffee shops, shopping mails, etc.

Helpful tips, thank you.

Is she fucking you?

Hah. We've never truly fucked. She would have tender little chipmunk sex with me if I wanted, but I don't want to. It's fucking awkward. I can tell MMSLP will help, but right now I'm focused on raising my smv and overall becoming more attractive. Having sex with her right now would be a major slip back into her frame.

[–]hack3geRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly she probably would do well with a nice hard fucking. You should escalate and mid way through flip her over and fuck her from behind while pulling her hair and slapping her ass. My guess is she goes fucking wild.

Whenever my wife isn’t really in the mood I’ll flip her over and give her a good slap and instant gushing.

PS - you are in her frame anyway, I’d be impressed if you could tel me why.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

“MMSLP next“

No. Now.

[–]CarelessBowler50 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Having sex with her right now would be a major slip back into her frame.

Or it's an opportunity to practice bringing her into your frame. Even if you don't bring her in 100%, getting to 40% would be better than your previous 0%.

Be better than you were yesterday, even in the bedroom.

My dead bedroom is making progress. We're not properly fucking right now either, but with the activities we do in bed, I'm taking the lead, getting her used to following directions, touching her more aggressively (instead of the beta-stupid "I'm actually kinda embarrassed to do this" way I used to), and making consistent, intense eye contact in order to clearly communicate my presence and the intensity of my own desire.

Her response has been awesome. She's gone from "I don't want to fuck you" to a "I do want to fuck you, but I've not been that vulnerable in so long I don't know how" (with her actions, I've learned from MRP not to listen to any of her words anymore). We'll get there. I will lead her there.

Don't sacrifice the good for the perfect. Take the good and work on making it better.

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Try choking her - bet that vulnerability makes her wetter than you have ever seen before

[–]CarelessBowler50 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Brilliant. Genius. I never would have thought of that.

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Funny thing is you probably think I’m joking.

[–]CarelessBowler50 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I know you're serious.

I don't think you know how early in my MAP I am still.

Rambo would try some choking right now.

I'm going to wait until sex and IOI's replace her evening Facebook binge.

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not Rambo you just are still too scared of a little woman to take what you want which I get as I have been there.

Honestly some guys would be surprised at what doing exactly what they want might do to their little princesses precious vagina.

[–]BostonBrakeJob4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's a nice checklist you got there. Next step is to put it all out on paper. Then take that paper and fold it up nice 'n neat like. Then go ahead and shove it up your ass.

Stop setting expectations for your wife, and start setting them for yourself instead.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's a nice checklist you got there. Next step is to put it all out on paper. Then take that paper and fold it up nice 'n neat like. Then go ahead and shove it up your ass.

Lol. Good stuff dude.

[–]austindcc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Stop setting expectations for your wife, and start setting them for yourself instead.

Solid.

[–]tap098853412 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy

Anger is fine as long as you're fucking angry with yourself. Every time you've rolled over, you rolled over on yourself. You've created the entire situation. Women are responsive beings.

The way your wife treats you is not a reflection of her, its a reflection of you.

The first 6-8 months of MRP involves 3 things:

  • STFU
  • 5-days/week of heavy barbell lifting
  • Sidebar

Your MRP journey will likely take at least 24 months. Be angry all you want, pour it into your lifts, just STFU and don't lose your cool in front of people. Nobody likes a tantrum.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Anger is fine as long as you're fucking angry with yourself. Every time you've rolled over, you rolled over on yourself.

OYS is key as you suggested, but don’t staying angry with yourself is counterproductive. Moving to acceptance is key.... but maybe I’m splitting hairs

[–]tap09885340 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Every day I still have to wake up, remember what a fucking worm I've been, and kick myself in the pussy until I can make myself go lift.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That’s cool if it’s working, but at some point that becomes counterproductive. You have to try to internalize being your best instead of beating yourself up for being a pussy if you want it to be long lasting

[–]austindcc0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Anger is fine as long as you're fucking angry with yourself. Every time you've rolled over, you rolled over on yourself. You've created the entire situation. Women are responsive beings.

Preach.

I have completely accepted and internalized this fact. Aligning my actions accordingly is my challenge.

Be angry all you want, pour it into your lifts, just STFU and don't lose your cool in front of people.

This is helpful. Thank you.

Nobody likes a tantrum.

My anger smolders, with an edge in my voice and a cold, bitter demeanor. But point taken.

[–]RisingUpAgain7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

To you it might smolder, to everyone else its sulking

[–]austindcc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's not the feedback I got from my wife, kids, and mother-in-law.

[–]tap09885340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Like a child, your wife gets a clean slate every day. What she did yesterday was mercurial and immaterial. It is gone like a vapor. There's no need to be cold and bitter to your child.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

Maintain progress - which is pretty fucking slow-going for you, retard - and avoid anger by:

  • Resetting each day.
  • Getting your adrenaline flowing - most helpful of all - even moreso than lifting.
  • Lifting hard, and then lifting harder, and then lifting even harder than that.
  • Swimming, preferably in the ocean, at night, while listening to intense music on your kick-ass underwater ipod and headphones - not the dumbass jaw-conduction headphones, either.
  • Practicing cognitive behavioral therapy. Often. I'm getting angry? No. I choose not to get angry. I will stay strong and positive. It actually works.
  • Reminding yourself that you're in this mess of faggotry because of your behavior and/or fat-ass, not hers.
  • Meditating.
  • Smoking pot.
  • Having lots of sex.
  • Lifting some more.
  • Getting your adrenaline flowing, again.
  • Resetting. Reminder. Resetting.
  • Getting your heart rate pumping when you'd naturally be inclined to read some more. Don't read too goddamn much.

[–]Cmvplease24 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Smoking pot?

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Now that's paying attention.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

You don't smoke weed? It's fucking great if you aren't a lazy faggot or mental midget.

[–]Iammrp21 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Occasional use by adults should be fine but it's not good for adolescents or with heavy use.

Mounting evidence suggests that marijuana use negatively impacts brain structure and function. While there is potential recovery from some of the negative effects of prolonged use, long-term deleterious effects are present and more likely with early age of onset and protracted use. Data from both animal and human models highlight the particularly sensitive period of adolescence for adverse effects of marijuana through the modulation of the neurodevelopmental trajectories. The mechanisms that underlie such modulations are not fully understood and likely result from multiple levels of complex interactions including onset, dose, and duration of marijuana use as well as neurobiological factors including genetic risk. Prolonged marijuana use could result in persistent changes to brain structure and function that underlie the adverse cognitive outcomes associated with heavy use. Future prospective studies with enhanced assessment of marijuana use coupled with MRI assessment prior to and following marijuana use initiation will provide additional clarification of these complex effects of marijuana use on brain structure and function.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5094349/

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks mom, 100% true.

[–]coinbaserep-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I bet you’re real fun at parties

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You should be very clear here: for guys who have their shit together. A guy who is fairly new and struggling shouldn't resort to medicating away his discomfort or anger as he will not grow. Booze, weed, pills, etc. are all methods of avoidance for such characters.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agree 100%. Good clarification.

[–]academicRedditor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Minus the pot... great advice, but that bullet is an unhelpful remark. No pot...

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just fucking stop. Stop. Stop thinking about what an Alpha does and is and just fucking be one.

You feel like you need a month away? Feel?

Look. Your Frame develops. Know what you want. Know what you are doing and just fucking do it.

I know a great majority of you budding alphas want nothing more than for the world to stop for just a moment. For her to shut up. The kids to calm the fuck down. Everything to just fucking quit. Go off and live in the mountains, maybe grill some steaks and whatever else guys do. Really? You need a circle jerk to figure your shit out? Guys don’t give a shit about your emotions any more than women do. But if you need to get away do it, just don’t hamster it as anything more than a vacation.

Getting your frame doesn’t work that way. Even if you find your Frame at some long lost mountain monastery what will you do when shit hits the fan. Your kids die in a car crash? House burns down? You lose your job AND your wife is diagnosed with cancer? What then? Where is your Frame? Your Alpha leadership then? You weren’t fire tested. You didn’t go through the shit to learn that the world doesn’t work that way. Men learn by doing.

Success builds Experience

Experience builds Confidence

Confidence builds Frame.

There are no breaks. The world no longer looks that way. It’s a paradox and there is no use in making sense of it. Accept it. Live in it and learn.

In the end you are either a warrior or victim.

Nothing is owed to you but death.

[–]shouldergirdle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Success builds Experience

Experience builds Confidence

Confidence builds Frame."

Exacta-fucking-mundo!!!!

This is the way that I look at Frame:

1) Knowing how the world works - i.e. success and experience

2) Knowing what you want i.e. standards

3) Doing something about it i.e. owning your shit

4) Enforcing your standards i.e. boundaries

Example 1: Debt

1) Knowing how the world works: Debt kills, should minimize debt, debt only for appreciating assets, no debt for consumption

2) Knowing what you want: We have to eliminate our credit card debt and car loans

3) Doing something about it: set a budget so we can pay off extra $1000/mnth in CC debt, stop your own stupid spending

4) Enforcing standards: reviewing CC statements and budgets monthly to ensure no stupid spending, reinforce ideas with wife, take away credit card if she is spending too much.

Example 2: Kids education

1) Knowing how the world works: Lack of numeracy skills makes you poor

2) Knowing what you want: my kids will excel in math

3) Doing something about it: set expectations, do homework together, kumon etc.

4) Enforcing standards: tell them your expectations, help them with homework, remind wife to take them to Kumon even when they are whining and don't want to go.

The above are two small examples of what can be done if you have frame. Use this framework in a thousand individual situations, be consistent and you will build Success, Positive experiences and Confidence. The accumulation of this, over time is Frame. The problem with a lot of guys is that they don't know how the world works. They are full of wishful thinking or wrong blue pilled thinking. Also, they don't know what they want.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You need a roll of this for your mouth

Keeping your pie hole shut is the hardest part.

Dont talk, walk

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is Rian paying you?

I love Rian, no homo and that was a good video.

[–]IncitingDramah1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Anger phase is tough. Mine was especially difficult for me because I struggled with feeling used. My frame eventually collapsed, death by a 1000 concessions.

THE ONLY THING that helped me, was an arrangement of my thoughts into a gross obsession of self improvement. I focused on dread game, hard. Luckily, I discovered The mystery method in my late teens thanks to the TV show), so my game was better than most just rusty at this point.

I also read a LOT of stoic books. I cant stress this enough man. Mastery of emotions changes everything. I still slip time to time, but the difference is night and day.

Also, like everyone else has said, keep your mouth shut.

This...

I've had productive conversations with my wife, setting new expectations and boundaries, that she agreed to, and has followed up on.

Is much less effective than action. Women's words mean absolutely nothing, if you dont have action to back up your boundaries than nothing at all will change.

Anything you can't say no to is your master, and you its slave.

[–]austindcc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is helpful, thank you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I can see my anger is rooted in fear of falling back into beta nice-guy mindset, and back into my wife's frame.

So my anger has gone through the following phases:

  1. Pissed off at myself for letting things get so bad / being a faggot
  2. Pissed off at my wife/mom/society for selling me a lie
  3. Angry that I saw the matrix and can't ever go back to the way to ignorance
  4. Pissed off at my wife for not fulfilling my covert contracts
  5. Pissed off at my wife because I didn't want fall back in her frame
  6. Pissed off at my wife because she wasn't falling into my frame (this is really just a deeper version of #4) <- Currently here... 9+ months into finding this place

So what can you do?

Stay Healthy and Keep Lifting

This is a big one. Lifting is required for a proper mental state. Seriously... if I ever (rarely) miss a day of lifting it really fucks with my head. Get enough sleep, watch what you eat, and lift.

Find Someone to Vent to

Find anyone who you can vent shit to when you're pissed. If you don't have someone in real life (try to find one), even find another random guy on MRP. Sometimes the anger does get too much and you just need to puke.

Post in OYS - Weekly

Nothing more here - this is a great outlet and helps you objectively analyze the past 7 days. Keep notes throughout the week and then use this time to reflect on what you can do differently

Start Measuring/Celebrating Successes Based on You

Not your wife. Not other people. This is a huge one that I know I struggle with, but you need to internally be happy with the progress YOU are making in yourself.

Don't Expect Instant Results

Another big one for me. You have a decade? Pfft - that's child play faggotry. I have 17 years.. Just remember this is going to take years until you are fully formed to the man you need to be. You need to accept that.

When You Fail - Keep Going

You'll get sick, get hurt, hang around the house too much, fail a shit test, hell break down like a little baby (hopefully not this one, but maybe). Recognize it, don't beat yourself up and move on.

[–]austindcc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This helps. Thanks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No problem. Good luck. Get the reading done.

The last three pieces of advice on there are just as much to remind myself as you. Anger phase takes awhile.

[–]CarelessBowler51 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here are some things I've found helpful for frame:

  1. When she throws a curveball your way, literally ask yourself, "Would doing what she wants cause me to lose frame?" If the answer is a "yes" or "maybe," then don't do that thing. (Credit to Richard Cooper for this tip.)
  2. Remember your goals are your undercover project. Every time you reveal to her your strategy in the chess game you are putting her in charge of the outcomes.
  3. Eye contact. Make it a practice in every conversation with your wife (or most anyone really) to keep eye contact until *they* break it. Sometimes a conversation with my wife will start a bit harpy or naggy, but then after consistent eye contact she settles down and follows my lead again.
  4. Whenever you feel anger beginning to rise, laugh. Seriously. Don't get angy and lose your shit. Even a forced smile will help set your mind back at ease and in control at least of your own emotions. This might frustrate her ("You're not taking this seriously!" "Do you even care about me and our problems!?") but give it five or ten minutes to see if she falls back into your frame. If not, go work on a project/hobby and try again tomorrow.
  5. ALWAYS REMEMBER: You get to try again tomorrow. I've had a day here or there where I really, really lose frame. I feel stupid, powerless, and emasculated. The next morning, I get up hit the gym/run, and get a fresh start. Every time, my wife falls back into my frame as if the day before never happened, submitting to my leadership for her and our household.

[–]helaughsinhidden0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry, u/austindcc, I am kind of late to the game, but here are some thoughts after seeing your post history and some of the other comments.

  1. ADHD is a label that you should try not to get to wrapped up in your identity. Is it a thing and do you actually have it? Maybe, maybe not, that's not the point. We don't care, she don't care, no one cares because you aren't special. As a wise person said "We are all eating a shit sandwich out here" so don't make this your flag to fly when you want to feel like a victim. Everyone has work to do and when you get right down to it, it's doubtful you would want to change your life for the mess anyone else has created. Instead, find ways to rewire your thinking (that's what we are ALL here for), and identify with your strengths and challenges that you've overcome. Sidenote: as a father of 5 kids ranging from 21 to 4 years old, cut out all video games, internet browsing, youtube watching, TV, and porn for a couple weeks.
  2. You aren't 19 months into MRP, you are 4 days in. I started to read a shit ton of psychology books and had even read some of the sidebar books on my own, but it wasn't until you connect all the dots that your journey actually began. Honestly, the day you post your first OYS or first Field Report is day 1, lurkers don't count. There's been people that have lurked in this sub for months, maybe years and when then finally post for the first time desperate because the wife is cheating with Chad at work, it's clear they don't know anything. Be humble, be honest, were all anon anyway.
  3. Embrace GAME. Don't kid yourself, social interactions are exactly that, a game. There are attempts, rules, moves, plays, tactics, fear, intimidation, effort, success, and failure. This applies to making friends, work, church, family members, and neighbors. That's not what I mean about EMBRACING GAME. I am talking about real game with ladies. Don't waffle and mess around all half ass about it, becoming proficient at flirting with your wife and other women, especially attractive ones is a key step. No woman wants a man that no other woman wants, even if that's what she says. Only two women say that, one is trying to not hurt your feelz, the other is low key saying she doesn't want to stop eating chocolate and hit the treadmill either. It's not until she knows deep in her heart that you can replace her with a younger, prettier, more fit model that she will start to truly act right.
  4. You are worried about "falling back". It's a recurring theme on this post. So what? We all do, that's why we post in the OYS WEEKLY. This is a 7 day sprint where you reset daily to yourself and bear your failures and successes before everyone else to get better. Paul tells us to "die to ourselves daily". "Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another", as it says in Proverbs. Apply this wisdom to your MRP journey.
  5. You have a long way to go, so be patient and keep going. The general math says that you have to BE the new alpha version for 1 month for each of those years. Oh, and if you're a fallen alpha, meaning you were for the first 3 years, then turned beta for 6, those first years are null and void and the new alpha months don't really start to count until you have figured out how to life heavy stuff and pass a shit test. Oh yeah, you should read up on the 12 Levels of Dread immediatley.
  6. Other thoughts, you mentioned " I feel like I need a month away from my wife". In combination with the ADHD sidenote, perhaps you should consider taking a week or two to go camping. There is a lot of research surrounding the positive effects of getting in the woods alone with no electronics to reset the brain's rhythm, pull people out of depression, restore a sense of both an awe and a connection to the world, improve sleep, burn some fat, and depending on how you either prepare ahead vs rely on your survival skills can be a huge boost to the perception you have about yourself.
  7. Drugs.... been there, done that.Prescriptions for ADHD and depression. To be honest, when it comes to depression and suicidal thoughts, no one can help you if you are dead, but SSRI drugs will mess with your dick. Impotence, decreases sex drive, lack of orgasm, difficulty maintaining an erection are all common side effects, not rare. ADHD meds work pretty good in the short term, but lose effectiveness over time which will lead to increased doses or making yoru symptoms worse when you come off of them for an unknown length of time.Pot will chill you out, is helpful in managing short term stress, can increase your level of openness. However, the problems that stressed you out will be there in a couple hours when it wears off and you will have just wasted time. That can just lead to more stress or a dependence on using thc to manage stress. If you try it, I recommend doing it very rarely if at all.Mushrooms or LSD can be life changing and change peoples entire perception in life. You are actually stuck "in your head" and psychedelics can either get you outside of your head and see things anew or you can get "caught" in a negative feedback loop of bad thoughts. It's a crap shoot and not worth the risk. I've had both things happen, the whole "everything is connected" experience that helped me get over my shyness as a young man and really stopped caring what other people thought of me. I've also had the whole "government conspiracy paranoia" and the good old "everyone is a demon and satan is out to get me" nightmare that ended in the psych ward and then going to jail. Haven't done salvia or DTM, but from friends tell me they are very powerful and unpredictable.I guess I am saying, they all can have a short term benefit but all come with a catch and are not a "cure", just a temporary band-aid. Lifting, very heavy weights with full body type exercises, on the other hand is a great stress reliever and leave you healthier, stronger, and able to endure more stress in future situations. For some reason, squats and deadlifts specifically, seem have the side effect of boosting your bodies natural testosterone levels, which does actually make you genuinely feel good. Arnold said in an interview once about lifting "it feels like I am cumming all the time". Speaking of T, getting your testosterone checked should be really high on your list of things to do as well. If diet and exercise don't get your numbers up, TRT could be the best thing for you.


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