CMV: Red Pillers believe women are as intelligent, logical, and rational as men due to their similar genetic and evolutionary background.

exit_sandman · 2015-06-26T10:08:39+00:00

Nah.

women are as intelligent

Which sort of intelligence? They are better at some and worse at others.

logical and rational

PMS. That alone accounts for more irrational behavior on average.

alreadyredschool · 2015-06-26T06:51:38+00:00

Wrong, men have an Y chromosome, that little shit doesn't code for anything, thus men are smarter or dumber.

fiat_lux_ · 2015-06-26T05:18:24+00:00

Red Pillers believe women are as intelligent, logical, and rational as men due to their similar genetic and evolutionary background.

Nah, on average, women are slightly more intelligent than men. The averages were always close, but women slightly nudged ahead of men because too many guys are just being jailed or dropping out of school. It drags the average down.

Men really only start to become overrepresented at the fringes. Bateman's principle and the fact that men just tend to take more risks are a couple of reasons.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-06-26T05:17:35+00:00

We don't think that. You don't get what CMV means

thereddespair · 2015-06-26T14:44:40+00:00

control... sounds like fascism to me. please dont control women :( they need freedoms to do what they want

thereddespair · 2015-06-26T15:13:17+00:00

to say women have zero intelligence, sense of logic and rationality would be false obviously.

how a person chooses to use those is another. humans, women by extension have and will always have potential, to be more - but only more by their own choices or by force.

people also tend to go with the least resistance, give a person enough room to thrive using LESS of some traits and it either withers, atrophies, less developed and so on, same with most in nature.

i say a lot mean things about women, but obviously me being one forces me to care about the concept of female improvement. in my eyes, those people who keep pushing and promoting mediocrity among women are the real problems. instead of motivating and encouraging development of these traits which we need NOW more than ever, we waste all this potential and instead devolve into just meat bags or sandwich makers and baby machines.

and men. men are just as guilty in creating this, they are a part of the environment after all. and what kind of men are the majority? the reds? red people are kinda rare out there really.

evolution... what fits, thrives. you dont need a brain or superior logic, you need an ass and a nice pair of tits. how else can a dumb woman just lose her mind and sense of reason and just make a cute gesture and men would flock to her.

like most problems, everyone as a collective is a part of the problem.

ExpendableOne · 2015-06-26T15:47:10+00:00

Intelligence isn't really an accurate measurement. If you judge a fish by his ability to climb a tree, you're going to think it's dumb as fuck. People have different skills and experiences that shape who they are and what they are proficient in. Also, being able to assess a problem and come up with a solution doesn't mean that someone can apply that same type of logic and rationality to every other aspect of their lives too. A mother who is very proficient at coming up with solutions with her child could still believe in things like astrology and faith-healing. They could be completely insane or hopelessly idiotic in every other aspect of their lives.

[deleted] · 2015-06-26T19:04:17+00:00

Most people read this and they're automatically going to disagree. I agree with this statement, on the other hand. I believe that there are Red Pillers who hold the view that women are as intelligent, logical, and rational men and that the problem is that women are conditioned by society and need to be held accountable. I don't believe that all Red Pillers hold this view, however, and that there are those whose views align with my own. My personal view is that women are not as intelligent, logical, or rational as men and that we should be sympathetic toward women rather than angry at them for their shortcomings. Their inferiority is mostly not their fault, nor is our male superiority something that we should be proud of since it's not something we earned.

TheQuickAndTheRed · 2015-06-26T20:39:05+00:00

I believe in nurture over nature. I believe that girls are brought up in the modern world with a lack of sense of self, something that was drilled into me.

I don't think it's women as a gender, I think that "AWALT" is just saying that "The current paradigm of society has lead to a high abundance of women who have these traits.:

TheGreasyPole · 2015-06-26T08:34:43+00:00

I would like to be convinced that Red Pillers believe women are as intelligent, logical, and rational as men due to their similar genetic and evolutionary background.

Thats specifying the view you would like to go to. Can I take it that your actual view is

Red Pillers believe women are NOT as intelligent, logical, and rational as men due to their different genetic and evolutionary background.

That you would like changed ? You haven't specified what your view is, just where you would like it to go.

Because if this is your view I can only really change the "not intelligent" part of it. Red Pill is happy to say women are less rational/logical and more emotional/feeling focused than men on average. I think a wide battery of psychological tests (like the dear old MBTI) back that up.

Of course, there are outliers on this spectrum. Just as despite men being on average taller than women there are WNBA players and male dwarves.

So, the only one I could change is the intelligence question. On which the general consensus seem to be "They are about as intelligent as men give or take a rounding error. However, they are differently distributed, with women clustering round the mean and many more men at the very intelligent and very dumb ends of the spectrum".

As regards your supposition concerning childcare. This is largely what I'd expect to see. Emotional/Feeling based reasoning is extremely useful in dealing with small children.... And it's important to be "about averagely intelligent" to do so.

Men had tasks that required more logical/rational application than "understanding and guiding 5 year olds" and nature also has taken an additional risk with them that DOES churn some exceptionally intellgent men, but also causes the genes to churn out some spectacular dumbasses.

To use an analogy...

With women, genes bet intelligence on red or black over 50 spins. The result is usually someone around the mean.

With men, genes bet intelligence on 18 over 50 spins. Men are therfore much more likely to win big or lose big, even though the overall average will stay around the mean.

byebyebluepill · Fri Jun 26 8:50:19 2015 UTC

How would you reconcile your proposition that child rearing requires logic and rationality with a woman's "motherly instinct" ?

I would argue that men evolved to use logic more often because you can't be having the feels when a group of you are trying to hunt deer or some other prey. Where women, in a similar situation would have been gathering, which is a more social activity (which requires more emotional intelligence), because you can't afford to be talking about social things etc. when you're trying to hunt as opposed to gathering.

I believe women are 100% as capable of logic and rationality, they can be as shitty or as good of people as men. I don't think logic is most of their go to, but I think that's changing just as men are becoming more emotional. We are living in an unprecedented time in human evolution. Shit's fascinating, turmoil to be expected as social change interacts with biology and evolutionary psychology.

lurfly · 2015-06-26T12:00:27+00:00

This is completely wrong. Why do you think women were controlled for so long throughout history? Its because they wanted to avoid the problems we are having today. Birth rates are declining. Sluts erm I mean single mothers are poisoning their children. Marriage is declining and divorce is on the rise.

[deleted] · 2015-06-26T13:20:49+00:00

Red Pillers don't believe that women are as rational or intelligent as men . This is just your own opinion.

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