What does PPD think of this podcast episode: "Bad Advice from the Internet - Women Love Assholes"?

hyperrreal · 2015-02-27T17:22:41+00:00

I cannot believe anyone would take life advice from Tucker Max, who's failed at every serious project he's attempted, and Geoffery Miller, a disgraced academic who is on probation at his university for claiming that overweight people don't have the willpower to get PhDs.

The 'advice' they give is contrived to be inoffensive and easily marketable, not real, or grounded in either person's actual experience.

alreadyredschool · 2015-02-27T16:45:17+00:00

I have been that "asshole" often enough and seen other guys to know that we are not douches with the exception of we are douches in the eyes of beta orbiters.

There is only one real type of asshole, the one that will give girls the illusion of handing out commitment in exchange for sex. Anyone else who is successful is just an asshole because betas think that their way of treating women is the correct one. They treat women like angels, we treat women like people and they [betas] hate us for that, and especially for the fact that we get away with doing so and that their whole investment goes into the shitter.

There are also female friends who know it better, but IMO they often just want to secure an alpha too.

So it is bad advice from the internet. If I tell you to not touch the hot plate but not why you will touch it, if I tell you that you must become an asshole but not how you actually have to be you will get burned too.

ThisIsFukuoka · 2015-02-28T17:21:20+00:00

Even when I was a chump due to "be nice to girls", those types never came across as true asshole to me. Sure, were they "nice"? Hell no. But asshole? Another hell no.

What I recommend to BP when flirting with girls is that go into your child self. Remember the days girls were just people and you loved to tease them in a light-hearted fun way? That helped me tremendously.

EDIT: I should've clarified the childhood harmless "I don't care" attitude is what's needed.

whystoppnow · 2015-02-27T18:03:42+00:00

There are traits of an “asshole” that women do respond to like confidence, bravery, being fun, interesting, not boring, having social proof around them, and counter-signaling.

These are considered "asshole" traits now?

There are a lot of women who have emotional problems. The reality is that if you treat all women like shit, very few women will respond to that. But there are a small subset of women, depending on your mating market 5-20% of women, who are going to respond because they think really poorly of themselves and a guy who treats them like shit meets their emotional needs.

Well... that's creepy.

jacktenofhearts · 2015-02-28T00:59:03+00:00

Too many people use "asshole" for "unintentionally inconsiderate."

I'm self-employed and run a small consultancy. When I engage with a client, at some point I usually have to get in touch with some Important Person there. A C-level exec or a VP. So their administrative assistant sets up a call on our calendars. 30% of the time, the call is rescheduled with some advance notice. 40% of the time, the call is rescheduled like five minutes before. 20% of the time, the guy just never actually takes my call. 10% of the time, this Important Person actually picks up his goddamn phone.

I could bitch and whine about how "CEOs are assholes," but this doesn't help me. First of all, he's not being an asshole. Unless there's some CEO cult where they all meet, watch their phone ring, then intentionally let it go to voicemail and laugh about how hilarious it is. In that case, yeah, he's being an asshole. But I'm pretty sure that's not what's happening.

The CEO is arguably being inconsiderate by flaking out on the call, but even if Emily Post herself descends from the heavens and yells at him for being inconsiderate, what happens? Do I get his business? Because that's all I care about. He's running a 500 person company, I'm running a 4 person company. He's busy, and either I accept I'm not always going to be a priority to him, or I'm not going to get his business.

Hopefully you can see the analogy to dating here. If you're a high value male, you're going to have lots of friends, hobbies, a busy professional life, etc. A girl may text you, "come over and let me cook you dinner in lingerie," and you may reply, "sorry, my boss gave me tickets to go to the Kings game tonight." Or you may start replying, then get busy with something else because your friend sent you a hilarious video, and you forget to reply at all. And the girl whines to her beta orbiter, "I offered to cook him dinner while wearing lingerie and he just ignored me!" And the beta orbiter says, "Christ, what an *asshole.** I'd never do that!"*

Well, yeah. A guy who wasn't the CEO of 500 people wouldn't flake out on a scheduled phone call with me, but this guy does, because he's the CEO of 500 people. That's just how it works. Because if I'm totally honest, I'm the same way with our smaller clients. I got a call from one our smallest clients an hour ago, but I felt like making it an early weekend, so I let it go to voicemail and made a note to call him back on Monday. Will he be upset he couldn't get in touch with me this afternoon? I doubt it, but even in a worst-case scenario where he pulled all his business, I am not going to get particularly torn up about it.

So I've always felt this whole "women love assholes" thing is completely backwards. There is no causality here. Just that in-demand guys are going to have priorities, and they can't always be 100% considerate to every girl that likes them, and that will manifest in things like blowing off offers to cook dinner and have sex. The girl doesn't get attracted to him because he blows her off. The girl is attracted to the kind of guy that blows people off occasionally, because he's got a rich life and a lot of options and he can't make everyone that demands his time 100% happy.

By the way, this works both ways. If you're a guy and you've ever dated a girl that's played "calendar tetris" with you, you know what I mean. You ask her out to dinner, and she says, "Sure... well I'm out of town for a bachelorette party this weekend, then I have this huge deadline at work, then my friend Steve is coming into town, then I have some other plans... but how about two Thursdays from now?"

[deleted] · 2015-03-01T21:19:35+00:00

tucker max is a fucking fraud. that's what I think.

edit: and every time I do something rude or inconsiderate, the girl watching says "you're mean" while she's laughing.

Title	What does PPD think of this podcast episode: "Bad Advice from the Internet - Women Love Assholes"?
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Date	February 27, 2015 3:26 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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