What country/society/culture is the most red pill?

give_me_shinies · 2014-09-30T18:34:38+00:00

Seems like evolution would dictate that the most successful societies would reflect the most successful adaptive behaviors, so what societies are most successful and are they more red pill? If not, why not?

Looked at as a whole, yes. Looked at out of context, no.

Most Western countries have below-replacement level reproductive rates. The only thing keeping the USA above replacement level is our illegal immigrant population. Almost all of Europe is below replacement level.

That means they are shrinking and shrinking fast. Hardly adaptive behavior.

Rates of depression and suicide are also highest in Western countries (or Westernized Asian countries).

Women in the West are less happy than they were 30 years ago (http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969). Adaptive?

fiat_lux_ · 2014-10-01T03:11:52+00:00

You've got cause and effect reversed.

Places that are rich and where people feel safe are more likely to become bp. People can afford to talk about and worry about their own feelings and feelings of others. More resources for ivory towers and more time for glass bead games.

I've asked poor people from different third world countries about their thoughts towards American identity politics. General responses can be paraphrased, "They have too much food in their stomachs and nothing better to talk about."

sh1v · 2014-10-01T05:32:48+00:00

Seems like evolution would dictate that the most successful societies would reflect the most successful adaptive behaviors

If this is really your argument -- and just as an offhand comment, it's a bad one, as TRP represents individual strategy rather than a societal one -- you need to look at the values societies had while they were achieving their success. America's success takes the form of a vast, unified land full of wealth and industry, with favorable trade relationships and a huge military. This in turn came from conquering a vest territory, liquidating troublesome natives, exploiting slave labor and Industrial era wage slavery to the hilt, and projecting power and economic domination throughout most of the third world by funding/arming dictators and militants. Also, incidentally, the so-called patriarchy was in full swing throughout most of this time.

What great successes has the US had since second and third wave feminism began? Hmm. What successes has ANY country had that can be traced to feminist values? Huh.

Maybe your logic merits some further examination.

Edit: Well, there was the whole "winning ww2" thing. Couldn't have done that without women in American factories and on Russian battlefields. So I guess at least one historical exception.

Reginleifer · 2014-09-30T18:55:28+00:00

It seems all the countries were women have less rights are way more fucked up than western countries so I'm wondering where this every man for themself and women second utopia exists?

BP is always so quick to mutter about correlation and causation..... but they do it all the time. :P

The US and other Western nations could just as easily have gotten their wealth in spite of the feminization of their societies. The US and Britain for example have good war machines they aren't afraid to use against brown countries.... extremely socialist European countries are often subsidized by their oil and gas sales. -cough- Norway and might not neccessarily be a testament to the adeptness of their governing....Saudi Arabia could be in the same situation.

All these variables and you choose "womyns rights" as the leading difference? Try harder.

mitreddit · 2014-09-30T23:13:17+00:00

Strange how people are reluctant to give you an answer. I'll reframe it slightly so people will understand better. Which are the most masculine cultures? This doesn't mean which cultures have the manliest men, it means which cultures adopt the masculine mindset most fully.

My answer is South American cultures and Slavic European cultures. Both are very different, but they are the least feminized among large cultures on our planet. You will not be shamed for being a man or for being a woman in these cultures.

On the opposite side the most feminine cultures are the Anglosphere / Northern European and the East asian cultures.

The societies that are most successful are those that are growing fastest in number of children right now. That's the only sensible way to measure success of a culture.

mitreddit · 2014-09-30T20:37:06+00:00

That's like asking "Which American state is the most German one?" It's possible to give an answer, for example based on how many Germans/German Americans live there, or how close it is to German culture or whatever, but all states are very little German and very much American.

The world is entirely blue-pilled, no country is an exception, and even though I'd say that some countries/cultures are closer to being TRPish, none of it is close.

It seems all the countries were women have less rights are way more fucked up than western countries so I'm wondering where this every man [...]

Straw man alert. Countries where women have "less rights" aren't more red-pilled. Saudi Arabia is definitely not where I want to live, you know.

[deleted] · 2014-10-01T04:54:00+00:00

There is no perfect RP society in existence today. The closest that ever existed was America in the 50's and early 60's. Today I'd say the closest is Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Poland.

[deleted] · 2014-10-03T13:16:57+00:00

No, and there is a lesson here. The RP the ideal woman would work hard on being sexy and be very, very lusting for her own man but not for the others at all.

This does not and cannot exist.

In countries where women are forced in a traditional role, they don't look too hot at all and they care more about housework than the bed.

Here: http://webpage.pace.edu/nreagin/tempmotherhood/spring02d/peasantwomen.jpg

If this is hot for you, you can have your reactionary traditionalist heaven.

Reginleifer · 2014-09-30T18:49:38+00:00

I always thought Mexico was pretty red pill, but things have greatly changed since my grandparents were children. American feminist culture like a cancer latches on wherever it can and spreads through the community until it is sickly and individualistic like well....white feminists.

The border towns are lost for sure, inner Mexico remains a battleground pitting the community against the degenerate American NGO's (~~who contrary to popular belief are extremely political I don't blame Putin for wanting to reign them in they're literally foreign instigators~~) and Europhiles.

But as BP points out, traditional=/= RP they have common tenets, womens promiscuity and smv for example but start pumping and dumping there and you will most likely leave Mexico with less testicles than when you came in.

Going on conjecture here, I'd say that the most RP sounding societies to date seem to be Asian metropolises like Singapore. Highly materialistic, hypergamous women, does not seem like there's much restriction on male sexuality like other traditional societies, and competing high value men as far as the eye can see. Not much political correctness there either as Asian governments aren't afraid of telling women about the wall.

But like I said, just guesses never actually been to Asia only read the news.

SirNemesis · 2014-09-30T18:21:51+00:00

It seems red pillers value evidence so I'm wondering what countries/societies best reflect the superiority of red pill philosophy?

I haven't travelled much so I can't really say. From what I've heard though, the Netherlands is rather nice in terms of gender relations.

It seems all the countries were women have less rights are way more fucked up than western countries so I'm wondering where this every man for themself and women second utopia exists?

Huh? That's hardly the RP utopia. Talk about a straw man.

Seems like evolution would dictate that the most successful societies would reflect the most successful adaptive behaviors, so what societies are most successful and are they more red pill? If not, why not?

We're in a transition phase right now. Hard to see where it will go. Since the late middle ages, the West has been rather successful, thanks to a healthy respect for beta males and a patriarchal (but relatively benevolent) society that has been supportive of beta males.

duckducklandwhale · 2014-10-01T01:08:14+00:00

I watched a documentary about women's oppression in different parts of the world and Sierra Leone is definitely the most Red Pill.

There is no consequence to rape so the men have free rein to rape as many women and girls as they want and to kick out their daughters if they are raped to preserve honor. And it's acceptable to call a woman/girl a whore especially if she is raped. Plus, the men have most of the wealth.

exit_sandman · 2014-09-30T18:49:25+00:00

It seems red pillers value evidence so I'm wondering what countries/societies best reflect the superiority of red pill philosophy?

This got occasionally discussed at TRP; and especially where extremely traditional cultures are concerned. One answer was that a culture that places extreme importance exclusively on "alpha traits" and neglects "beta traits" doesn't produce the worker bees who are necessary to keep an advanced society running. The so-called Greatest Generation was such a culture that worked in all regards yet was still anything but bluepill.

While economic and technological progress gets often conflated with social progressivism, the post war-society has demonstrated that they don't necessarily have to go hand in hand.

It seems all the countries where women have less rights are way more fucked up than western countries so I'm wondering where this every man for themself and women second utopia exists?

It isn't necessary about "less rights", it is also to a large extent about roles and expectations. While I certainly wouldn't consider the aforementioned extremely traditional societies very promising, East Asian societies may very well supersede Western ones in the long run.

Seems like evolution would dictate that the most successful societies would reflect the most successful adaptive behaviors, so what societies are most successful and are they more red pill? If not, why not?

The evolutionary argument only works if these countries are sustainable. At the moment, Western countries by and large are not - pretty much all of them are below the natural replacement rate, and European countries don't really do a good job at implementing a utilitarian immigration policy on top of that. Again, think of the post war-society what you want, but (apart from the nuclear scare, which was indeed a problem) I consider it at least socially more sustainable than our current one.

LadyLumen · 2014-10-01T16:31:39+00:00

THE WEALTH IN THE WEST IS A RESULT OF RP POLICIES

The wealth of the Western World is actually a result of the fact that we were more Red Pill than the other culture's around. Much of the wealth we have today is a legacy of the last few centuries. History is a long term game that takes a while to play out. For the last few centuries our ancestors had been pillaging and conquering all other cultures in the world.

This is the fact why so many former European Colonies, like India and Africa are so poor. Places like China and India are working super hard to earn back the wealth that had been pillaged from them in the last century or two.

But anyways, yes, Western Europe was actually far more Red Pill until recently. Up until the beginning of the 20th century, women in the Middle East actually had more rights than women in Western Europe, in terms of being able to vote, own property and speak in a jury. Western Europe's Christian morality was also much more zealous, violent and controlling than any other religion or philosophy in the world.

The enforcement of monogamy and abstinence until marriage were more enforced in The West than other nations. Why is this Red Pill? Because it kept the natural hypergamy of women under control while allowing more males in the population to be patriarchs of their own families. Many other countries in the world, by contrast, still practiced polygamy, which lead to more violence and destruction.

Yes, The West is still wealthy even though we are now much less patriarchal than everyone else. But anyone who studies future trends can say that the scales are beginning to tip. It is most likely, that in 50 years, Asian Countries will probably be the most dominant cultures on the globe while the West goes the way of the Byzantine Empire - rotting away as a fossil of its once former glory.

Why do I say this? Asian countries are developing more technology, their populations are growing much faster, their society is more regulated and controlled by patriarchal values (which bring stability in society), their GDP is growing much faster than ours, China is quietly buying up bonds and land territory around the globe while Western Countries go deeper into debt.

So Asian countries are probably the most Red Pill countries right now, and they will be the future super power of the world.

Title	What country/society/culture is the most red pill?
Author	mitreddit
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Date	September 30, 2014 6:16 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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