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What have we learned from this exercise?

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February 22, 2013

Gentlemen, we have just seen the results of getting into debates with whiteknights and women. Yes, I started it. And this won't be the last.

But the question I am asking us all right now is, what have we learned from the experience? What have we learned about their debate tactics verses our own? Is it possible to have a truth that is unattainable to somebody in different circumstances?

If we are right, why is conveying simple principles so difficult?

Let's discuss.

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Title What have we learned from this exercise?
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 4
Comments 22
Date 22 February 2013 05:00 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/3556
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/19121g/what_have_we_learned_from_this_exercise/
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[–]TheIslander829 20 points21 points  (18 children) | Copy

I learned that it boils down to this:

RedPillGuy: feminism is wrong because A, B, and C.

Girl/Mangina/WhiteKnight: I don't care, I have the right to do what I want and can do whatever I want, and you hate women and you're a misogynist.

Pretty much sums up my experience.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (17 children) | Copy

I have learned this

RedPillGuy: Women are spoiled brats who need dicipline

Normal people: Hahaha

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy

If a Red Pill man says women, he clearly means the vast majority of attractive women.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (11 children) | Copy

So all women are attractive. That's good news!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy

Incorrect. Women who were born unattractive typically have to develop social skills in order to function, whereas attractive woman typically do not. Hence, spoiled brats who need discipline.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (9 children) | Copy

Incorrect. That is in fact the most illogical statement I've heard in a long time. To develop social skills you need to be accepted by your environment. People who have been bullied for example often lack social skills because they were never able to interact normally with their peers. Similarly people who have siblings tend to have better social skills than those who don't. Whether you are attractive or not has nothing to do with it unless you have a deformity or something that makes people think you are not normal thus preventing you from normal interaction with them.

This idea you have that one can say "woman" and only refer to "attractive women" is also incredibly stupid. If I say "men are pigs" would you say that refers to all men or just men who are attractive? Lol.

Hum well sorry pal looks like you got owned by a feminist today.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

You do not understand The Red Pill frame. This is a community comprised of high value men, or those on the path to becoming a high value man. In doing so we become honest with our biology and our mating goals. We only want to sleep with the top 20% or so of women, because they have the genetics that make our dicks hard.

What self-improvement and game allow are a much improved chance at sleeping with naturally attractive women. As a Red Pill man myself I do not bother to talk about women as a whole because I'm not interested in women as a whole. However, I am interested in the naturally attractive women and through dating dozens and dozens of them as I have, certain generalizations can be formed. To summarize, when a Red Pill man says "women" he means the naturally attractive women who actively maintain their femininity. When your Feminist friends talk about women I'm sure they mean whatever ham beast has participated in the most Slut Walks, or who has gone the longest without shaving.

Owned? Sweetheart, you would be invisible to me if we ever crossed paths, so do us both a huge favor and scuttle back to one of your legbeard cesspools.

[–]rds4 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

How cute, you even made your own post in /bluepill about how wrong we are, of course without any actual argument!

Sorry again that your usual shaming and emotional appeals only amuse us. It must be very frustrating for you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

LMAO! And look at the top comment in his thread.

[–]zionController 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


Major movements come in 3 phases:

  1. Ridicule

  2. Discussion

  3. Adoption

I'd say we're at 2.25

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you saying that this subreddit is a joke? Because that's what I've been arguing the whole time.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTDCRedPill 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

They're having the hard time swallowing it I certainly had, and I think most had; it's a bitter pill. It paints the world much colder and very different but what they've been led to believe and aspire towards their whole life. The fact that it means that there are significant, non-trivial differences between male and female behavior means equivalence is right out the window, and that's such a core tenant that it is practically sacrosanct. ( I keep saying equivalence because the idea of equality is so empty and tenuous as to defy reason. If we're not equivalent, then we may not be equal depending on the metrics used. That there are any behavioral differences is enough; anyone can still believe that all traits equal out until they see the differences clearly, but they need to accept that there are differences at all first.) I tried to curb that inevitability with the Penn and Teller story, but it still didn't keep them from hitting a wall of unacceptability on the simple idea of two groups viewing each other through different priorities.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree. The term "equal" in itself is undefinable and therefore nonsensical to defend or attempt to dismantle.

I like to try to bring people along with me logically with the following train:

Person's contention: "That game/pickup stuff you talk about doesn't help anybody, there's no secret recipe to attracting women. Women are thinking people who make decisions for themselves, you're all full of shit!"

My response: Ok, well let's focus on text game.

Them: Ok.

My response: Do you agree that after you meet a woman, sending her 1,000 texts will turn her off?

Them: Well, yeah, that's ridiculous.

Me: Ok, so you agree with me that what you do has an effect.

Them: Yeah..

Me: So how about 500 texts?

Them: Still too many.

Me: Ok, so there are ways to improve your game?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Game. Set. Logic.

[–]TheRockSays- 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the major problem stems from WhiteKnights swallowing feminist solipsism as TRUTH.

[–]roe_ 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Using the red pill to make your life better is the main goal.

Convincing people of the truth of the red pill is the subgoal.

Achieve the main goal, and you will have the necessary evidentiary firepower to achieve the subgoal.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well said brother ~

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

I had some things confirmed. Notably two:

They will avoid answering direct questions that prove them wrong.

They use their personal feelings as empirical evidence.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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