U.S. Births At All Time Low

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May 17, 2018
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U.S. Births at 30-Year Low

This was a pretty interesting article, a lot of news outlets are reporting on a new CDC report about birth rates. I will highlight a few key takeaways and then some short commentary

  • Births are at an all time low, this is indeed a baby bust

  • We are significantly below replacement level, meaning we are at a population decline

  • The only population that is growing is you guessed it, immigrants

  • Our economy is doing much better than it was several years ago but still birth rates decline

  • Birth rates for women under 40 are declining, with women in their 30s having the highest overall birth rate

  • Birthrates for women in their 40s is CLIMBING

  • Pre-term and low birth weight birth are almost at a record high

We are in crisis here in America. We are having fewer and fewer children and those children are coming out more and more unhealthy. This is definitely related to the fact that people are choosing to have children in their 30s and 40s, which any healthcare professional can tell you comes with significantly more risks. We don't worry about the health of young people's babies. It's the late 30s women that cause the headaches.

The reason this is happening, feminists will tell you is because women are becoming more "educated" more "powerful" and how dare you criticize their "advancement". Fuck that. Women have to give birth to keep humanity going. That's just a fact. By leaving it off they are doing themselves and humanity a disservice. We are going to become weaker and weaker and fewer if the feminists have their way. This is the ultimate proof that the feminist agenda is a dead end. It cannot lead humanity down a sustainable path.

The numbers don't lie. The truth is simple. Have a good day RP.


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Title U.S. Births At All Time Low
Author EscapeTheGoat
Upvotes 14
Comments 41
Date 17 May 2018 08:07 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]andres783227 points28 points  (12 children) | Copy

smh, there are other variables that do not mean "women are evil, bringing down America for not having babies"

Babies are stupid expensive. Raising a kid is resource and time consuming at a time when jobs are less available or require further education.

What has happened is that men and women are waiting to have kids later in life. People look down on couples getting pregnant at a young age, and a lot of those who do end up with financial or relationship issues shortly after the kid comes.

Internet and education across the board, for men and women, are part of the reason why couples hold off on bringing children into the world. Some altogether avoid kids because of the responsibility/costs/time/etc.

Dont try to turn this into a RP argument that women are evil, since the ones that want kids do have them, the ones that dont now just dont. Its a different time than 20 years ago.

[–]EscapeTheGoat 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Listen, our economy is up. The resource argument is not a good one in this case.

What I'm calling attention to is that there is an undeniable contingent of women that wait too long to have children and you can see the negative outcome in the number of children with developmental disorders. The question of when to have children is not presented to them in a balanced way that includes the great risks they take on. I'm not saying women have to have kids. I'm saying that them following the feminist myth of wild 20's followed by settling down in their 30s is actually creating a material problem.

[–]Darkone062 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

So is your problem with women or immigrants ?

As long as someone is having kids in America does it matter whose fucking kids they are?

Most of the men here dont want to have kids so stop trying to shame us into having kids. Take your blue pill shit somewhere else.

[–]EscapeTheGoat 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I'm not trying to shame men into having kids. You can choose not to. I'm all for people making informed decisions. People are not doing that and this data is a great example of that. Did I say "all men should have kids"?

[–]Darkone060 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

People are not making informed decisions ? According to who ? You and a downwards graph?

If the economy was thriving and home prices were low people might be more incline to have kids. People cant even afford a roof over their head let alone kids. I think they are making the inform decision they need to be. Until there is a surplus of housing and the economy recovers this trend is going to continue.

[–]EscapeTheGoat 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I really think you are severely underestimating the number of women who have husbands (and btw most women get paid maternity leave), who leave it off not for economic reasons but for cultural ones.

[–]Darkone061 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What fucking cultural reasons are you talking about?

I'm not understanding what culture your talking about or why.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You think your statement is true or you have data to back up your claims. Which one should you pick if you want to be taken seriously.

Your premise is entirely wrong. I can afford lots of things. That doesn’t mean I will actually buy it. I can afford to have another kid. I don’t want to for the money or the time investment. I’m sick of raising kids. They’re great, I love the shit out of them. I wouldn’t want to do it again. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out kids are a drag if you’re not already a gungho family guy.

That 12 weeks paid time off is gonna do wonders footing the $250k it takes to raise a kid to 18. I ran the numbers a while back and support alone will be $97k once it’s all said and done for my oldest. 100k I’ve paid out over 18yrs isn’t a number to be scoffed at. That doesn’t count anything I’ve spent outside of support, which is innumerable. Kids cost a ton of money and even more time.

Either report facts straight and be done or present a coherent argument based on the facts you use to support yourself. You’ve done a pisspoor job at either of those.

[–]EscapeTheGoat 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

This is the problem. Everyone sees what I have said and thinks I meant everyone should have kids. I'm not saying that. I don't know what the solution is. Also, I'm not saying having a kid isn't a big deal. I really can't tell where all this anger is coming from.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The anger is feedback that you’ve presented a pisspoor post. You have also declined to address any of the points I raised. You’re using emotion “wha wha why is everyone so mad at me” instead of using logical debate and argument to further your statement.

Present a counterpoint that supports you, not your fee fees.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women's 'education' also plays a big role in them choosing not to have kids. Since women view motherhood as something that is somehow 'oppressive' they either put off having kids (rather than prioritizing their life around it) or will have kids and then never raise them because they are too busy with work. Finally, one can blame feminism for the need for TWO income's to support a single family - as women entering the workforce en masse meant that there was more demand (labor pool) for the same jobs meaning that wages could be cut + factor in inflation and you have the pickle we have now.

The great irony is that people objectively poorer than Americans, people that have a big chance of NOT being able to feed all their kids, having and raising many kids with minimal resources - while Americans cannot do the same with all their wealth and leisure time (compared to poor people).

[–]WarViper133715 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

I wonder how much longer until they implement the bachelor tax on us to encourage us to get married and have kids.

[–]EscapeTheGoat 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

They kind of already do. There are some tax breaks for married couples. My guess is they'll give women tax breaks for having vaginas to close the "pay gap" and then only allow men those the same breaks if they get married.

[–]andres78320 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They kind of already do. There are some tax breaks for married couples. My guess is they'll give women tax breaks for having vaginas to close the "pay gap" and then only allow men those the same breaks if they get married.

Youre basing this on what, exactly? Proposed law? A rallying cry behind it? or just pure speculation to fit your narrative?

There are some tax breaks for married couples, regardless of sex. They are not going to give a tax break to women only because "of vaginas" as it would be unconstitutional.

There are tax breaks for having children as dependents, however, if you look at the actual cost per year it is at best a break even point, at worst a losing proposition before you take into account time required and opportunity cost.

You are creating arguments as baseless claims.

[–]Random_throwaway_0000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Their will never be a 'bachelor tax'. They will just do what they are currently doing, taxing everyone at high rates, then spending the money on ways that namely benefit women (welfare programs, health care, more socialism, etc). My province (canada) just implemented free drugs for under 25 yr olds. Women use much more health care than men.

[–]bluetangz3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lazy, lazy post. Please try harder. Nothing wrong with our population declining. If anything it’s a good thing.

[–]2littleblacktruck7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Also note that women in thier 20s are pet crazy to satiate thier base nurturing instinct. Women without children are neurotic messes. Tending to babies and alpha men is wired into thier genome. Thier miserable without it. Men love women; Women love children; Children love puppies. Take children out of the equation and women have to love puppies.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have a flock of chickens and I can confirm this. I love having chickens because I don’t have children :(

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Who gives a fuck. We all will be dead by the time this under population even becomes a issue.

Just enjoy the decline. I can’t wait to be 80 and witness how fucked society has become.

[–]Random_throwaway_0000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Less children, means there is more older men chasing few young women. The Sexual market place will become more competitive, especially as older men have more money from not having children.

[–]Duzand3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was raised on a farm. If we had an animal born who couldn't sustain itself, whether it be deformed or whatever, it was allowed to die. There was an understanding it wasn't meant for this world. It's how very species self-regulates. It's like we're not courageous enough to embrace death any more.

[–]GodOfDinosaurs5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Pretty easy to say when you don't have a terminal illness or debilitating disease.

[–]Random_throwaway_0000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My retirement plan is S&W plan

[–]halfback9101 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's no making anybody happy. We have enough children to replace and it's "The world is becoming overpopulated! The environment! What do?!"

We stop having babies and it's "Humans are dying out via attrition!"

Birth rates are going to decline. Eventually there probably won't be any humans. Who cares? There won't be any humans so it doesn't matter!

[–]GodOfDinosaurs2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Immigrants have more children due to cultural differences and generally lower socio-economic status. More educated people tend to have fewer kids and have them later. That's not a bad thing... and it's not because of feminism per se.

[–]Random_throwaway_0000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are immigrants lower socio economic status, or just illegals?

I would also say that today, feminism is a part of our culture, and attributes a difference.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Is a decline that bad? Overpopulation is going to be a huge problem in the future, after all. A declining population is an issue, but a birthrate less so.

[–]Omnibrad2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Medicine allows people to live longer so you end up with a lot of old people who live very long, expensive lives (Social Security) and guaranteed public healthcare for old people (Medicare). Meanwhile the number of workers to support this welfare system dwindles.

You end up putting a lot of heavy burdens on fewer shoulders. And now all the math you did decades ago has to be redone and guess what? All the social planning goes to shit. Now when push comes to shove do you think politicians are going to cater to the large population of old voters, or cut services to the small number of young voters?

Quality of life will absolutely decline. By a lot. And yeah it’s that bad.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok, I clearly didn’t think deeply about this. Thanks for the explanation!

What do you think about preventing overpopulation?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Anytime I talk about marrying and having kids on Facebook, someone comments “most people can’t afford having kids, you have to be well-off to have kids”. Is this true? Must a man be making 6 figures to support a household with a SAHM raising the kids?

[–]tteabag25910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean...it kind of varies according to your location but in the south I haven't had an issue supporting a family of 4 on roughly 55k a year. The trick is to treat your finances like you do a good diet. Get the necessities out of the way and severely limit the excess. You'd be surprised how far a check can go if you don't blow it on things like alcohol or tobacco for example.

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only if the SAHM is shit with money and eats out every meal

[–]RedRoadAhead 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Make women property again. But thats not going to happen. So instead pre-wall women will continue to have more sex and fewer babies. Enjoy the decline.

[–]ProFriendZoner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The anti-male sentiment in American Society is the White Elephant in the room. Make it a level playing field in the courts and you'll see the birth rates skyrocket.

[–]Lkeacentipede0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Us economy is not as healthy as it was, minimum wage is lower than it was in the past accounting for inflation, more people attend college, thus they join the work force and climb the ladder later.It's obvious why people wait longer and have fewer kids

Numbers may not lie, they are prone to weak interpretation though, and this post demonstrated exactly that

[–]Darkone060 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

A sub that aligns itself with MGTOW is suddenly surprised that the birth rate is plummeting.

What the fuck is this Blue pill shit trying to shame the men here to change their ways and start having kids.

Most of the men here dont even want to get married let alone have kids. It isnt just a feminist problem, we are both to blame.

I know I dont want to have kids nor get marry so take your blue pill shit out of here.

A dwindling population is good for all the red pill men here it gives us more opportunities with less competition .

[–]EscapeTheGoat 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

If you had the reaction that this was shaming men or that I was trying to get men to "change their ways"...you might be projecting. The root of the problem is that having a child with a woman who is in her late 30s and 40s is dramatically worse, with regards to the health of the baby, than having one with a younger woman. RP is about empowering men to make informed decisions. This is information. I have my opinion you have yours. I'm not telling YOU in particular to do anything.

[–]hawkgordon 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I love how all of your arguments are "this is not about men, it's about women and immigrants". Motherfucker this sub is 99% make, and it takes a woman AND a man to make a baby. So while you might not be trying to get men to change their ways, you are telling everyone in here to procreate which not many people here want to do. At best you're saying procreate and abandon your child just for the sake of having more white Americans. You're fucking disgusting

[–]Dmva100 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Yep. Nobody's buying the miscegenation thing. The joos and globohomos must be pissed.

[–]RedPilledRoaster-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good, we don’t need no more babies

Enjoy the decline fuckers

[–]krkrich-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely think the cause of this is mainly due to the fact that millennials can not afford to have children.



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