The Problem with MGTOW

Sol_Install · 2017-12-19T17:49:57+00:00

You speak as if these fools who worship pussy or even women themselves can grasp this. They live in a fantasy world in which God granted everyone wishes. Cars, homes, roads, etc. manifest out of thin air and men do nothing but rape, harass, play video games, jack off and wage wars. Women are perfect and do nothing wrong everything is the fault of men. They have no idea how any civilization was built. No idea who maintains it. Cannot grasp any role that men fill.

And if they suffer for it? Good. They get exactly what they deserve. Exactly. They appreciate nothing and spit upon us all. They assume we're all guilty and evil because we're men and that we, despite being rapist evil war mongers, need to man up, impregnate their women and fork over the money we earn. They hate men. They credit men for nothing. And men and women alike take the evil that a handful of men have done and extrapolate that unto all men. Men have died protecting their families and nations. And what do they believe in the end? That men are by default evil.

We were never forced to leave a vacuum behind. They never appreciated shit in the first place. That's why they shame men. There is no low they won't sink to in order to exploit men. And women 100% support these men. They expect men to just shut the fuck up, sacrifice themselves for women. I drive past a police department every damn time I go to work. There is a pink fucking police car there on display for the support of women. Every day on the road, I see pink tags. They only care for their women. And the only men they like are men who care only for women.

We never made things like this. This is how humanity is. "Play your role men and shut up." They deserve any fallout because of this.

Slaide · 2017-12-19T16:46:51+00:00

not our problem ;-)

crshdurmomlstngt · 2017-12-19T20:10:18+00:00

Oh brother, from what I can see, we are building. It will take a while for the structure to form, but what is happening here is most likely a restructuring of the society we are meant to have. I know it does not seem like it and maybe we'll be old men before real noticeable change is prominent, but make no mistake about it, men will start to come around. I had a long talk with the teenage son of my best friend tonight. Even his Dad told him that marriage is a sham. This kid was soaking up the knowledge and you could see his eyes light up after we explained the legal and financial ramifications to modern relationships.

These conversations never happened when I was his age (I am the same age as you by the way), but I really wish I had someone tell me the real truth about the female nature. I had to find out the hard way and I do not want any young men to walk into the real world with knowing what they are really up against.

Explaining to him that he needs to live his life without requiring validation from women was a real shock to him however, his dad and I both truth bombed him. His dad had a kid with a slore at 18 and when all was said and done, he paid well over $100,000 in child support. We did the math and if he had thrown that money into pretty much any growth index fund he would be a millionaire.

I asked him if 20 minutes of fun was worth a million dollars....you can imagine the answer.

Fuck, women literally the bane of our existence. Stay classy.

ZealousMathematician · 2017-12-19T16:56:22+00:00

Well that’s if you feel as if you owe filling that vacuum as well.

Men maintained and built all you can see. If you’re parents raised you, fed you, clothe you and taught you all your life to 25 and then no matter their best efforts you kicked them out of their place in the world and forced them into a tragic spiral of despair, don’t be surprised if eventually they stop communicating.

You can only feel that leaving the vacuum is an issue if you feel you owe filling it. And remember you as a man was raised II believe you had to fill that whole especially if other men wouldn’t. Just look at men peer pressured into raising the bastard children of their girlfriends and pose as a father. It’s not right or moral and expects the man to sacrifice himself to the abyss for what is mislabeled as the common good and casts him into depravity.

Men have tried as a whole to appease to women for a dream that never existed. Now that the mask is off, why should we be worried about the empty position in the stage? We’re better of focusing on how to retain our sensibilities after being blinded for so long.

Ultimately this problem stems from the gender balance tilting heavily in female’s behavior thanks largely due to reproduction and sex. If we as men could find alternative for these two then yes it’s possible men could maintain their own societies where each citizen is judged by his contribution rather than their sex.

But those days are in the future and today walking away is the best choice. Some risks cannot be mitigated. Some pitfalls are better off not jumping over. I’d rather take the gradual slope than jump off a cliff with a ripped parachute hoping I have enough drag to keep me alive.

A life worth leaving was taught to men to be that lived for others. But if the others cast you away you lose meaning in the process. So now you’re better living for the last person that stayed beside you when you were cast away: yourself. The world can call us selfish demonic monstrous vermin but when all is said and done they’ll be begging for a society that emasculates us to rise with our help.

How ironic we virtually tied our own nooses. Too bad the overseer of our deaths is too dim witted and we’re able to stretch our lives in full joy. There’s no need to answer the pleas of the knotter who tied you to the deck of the execution platform. Be free, in mind, to live for your own dreams and wishes rather than the world’s demands you.

youmolide · 2017-12-19T20:57:31+00:00

There are no rewards for men who work hard and sacrifice, beyond simple rewards anyway.

This.

There is so little upside to participating in society as a man now.

You know what's completely funny ?

Even IF women wanted to fix this now, they couldn't because they're women and women need MEN to fix anything and we're not in that business any more.

Its going to solve itself. With a massive amount of pain for women in particular.

Popcorn baby.

Teflon0819 · 2017-12-19T22:40:24+00:00

MGTOW isn't a solution for the problems that society is facing. It is only a solution for us as individual men.

We are the Atlases that shrugged. Our lack of participation will be quite costly for society in the long run, but we as individuals will get to experience a personal golden age of happiness without concerning ourselves with shouldering the burdens of the world. Hedonistic? Yes. Selfish? You bet. Do I give one single iota of a fuck at this point? Nope.

It turns out that when you remove all of the incentives and the respect that men once received for contributing positively to the well-being of society, they simply stop doing so; And that inevitably spells disaster for that society.

hog_heaven · 2017-12-19T18:52:51+00:00

Cue MGTOW

Oh noes... Missy Scarlett gonna be hav'n problems, Missy Scarlett's slaves all dun been run off. How Miss Scarlett gonna git her cotton picked? An if'n ain't no slave menz to pick her cotton fer her, how she gone make money wat to pay fer to keep & fix up her menshun... Lordy be... 'Tara' gone end up wun o dem abandondeded roons!

Seriously dude, that's what this comes off as... some "call" to OTHER MEN for them to go back to the fucking plantation... to save all the Missy Scarlett's of the world (from themselves).

Fuck that.

See there's a shitload of problems with your entire base questions, especially this:

Because these men aren’t building cities. Curing cancer. Raising sons.

Who says we need (or want) more/bigger "cities"? Just how many fucking "McMansions" are you planning on slaving over to build for "Miss Scarlett"? (Only to have her kick your ass to the curb with the assistance of the please-men & their guns.) The bitch has two hands and two legs -- and she's an "modern, independent career women, who don't NEED no man" -- so [let her build her OWN fucking "mansion.]"](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/28/article-0-1679CFA4000005DC-202_634x455.jpg)
What makes you think there even IS a "cure for cancer"? Or that developing it would somehow be (long term, overall) a GOOD thing? Seriously -- despite the bloviating bullshit from the Silicon-Valley pill-poppers -- NO ONE is gonna live forever... nor if they had a "clue" would they even want to. (Suggest you go visit a Nursing home.)
The state and women don't WANT men to be "raising sons" -- in fact they've actively PREVENTED that for well over a century -- and are now via various means taking possession of what few "sons" there are, and are trying to emasculate and in some cases even "castrate" them, convince them to be "gurls" -- Try to disagree, try to KEEP your sons to be raised into REAL MEN (by you and you alone especially against the "will" of the baby-momma), and other men WILL show up at your door with guns and handcuffs... Fight them if you want, even kill a couple... in the end THEY will win.

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And the world will pay a price for it.

You think it somehow SHOULDN'T???

White Knighting on a GRAND scale.

Griever114 · 2017-12-19T18:08:13+00:00

It isn't our problem anymore.

The carrot is gone so we are left with the stick. Fuck that.

Reap what you sew.

secant128 · 2017-12-19T23:29:09+00:00

The only reason you would say this is because you still give a fuck. "oh but what about the future of humanity?!" "oh what about the society?! Don't you care about the society at least?!"?

Mgtows don't really care about the society or humanity at least I don't. I only care about my survival and preservation. I don't and can't help the survival of the society simply because I'm only one dude, and the society has rotten so bad you will basically be stoned to death for trying to help anyway.

Save yourself first, then slowly save other men who want to be saved.

Justsomegamerdude13 · 2017-12-19T21:46:11+00:00

Hi there,

First time commenting on a thread in this sub, have just been reading stuff and lurking, felt the need to say thanks for the post. I too have enjoyed my own company more than most and after a lot of soul searching and figuring things out I stumbled upon this sub/idea and found it a convenient coincidence.

The way I see it is that there isn't really a vacuum being left behind in the sense that you refer to it. Society/Civilization has been "advancing" for a long time and the current state of affairs is a result of that "advancement". Air quotations because is it really progressing etc?

Anyway, if you are building something and you notice a critical flaw, you can't just ignore it or patch it up with duct tape. If the flaw means that the device/creation cannot function correctly with it present, you often need to backtrack a lot before you can correct it. So there is a massive flaw in our current civilization model that everyone in this sub is well aware of and that flaw leads to some kind of reaction. So the vacuum that will be left and the impact it has, is the consequence of the imperfect societal model we built.

It is necessary for it to happen in order for a better model or method to present itself. I see it the same as you would a pipeline with a weak seal. Seal breaks due to water pressure, leak, structural damage etc. Eventually that loose seal will be felt, but the damage it has caused by that time will be a lot more costly than originally fitting a good seal. The mentality behind this sub is just an idea, but when if nothing changes that idea will grow until in results in something, probably the vacuum. And that will lead to who knows what. I'm happy to see where it leads to because it has to be better than what there is currently.

I'm from South Africa and many of our plants here require massive fires every few years in order to reproduce. Our global society has been built up to this conformity, consumerism and instant gratification utopia as you so eloquently put it. It is in desperate need of fire, but not that of machines and weapons and war, we have had that already. A fire of apathy seems very poetic as a catalyst to change.

801735 · 2017-12-19T16:41:31+00:00

True.

Starter91 · 2017-12-19T17:57:43+00:00

When blue pillers revolt there usually is a blood bath. Let's see how this unfolds, though we don't want to violence.

TurnDownForWhat · 2017-12-19T19:16:28+00:00

I couldn't agree more. This post smells of trad cuck to high heaven. However, the trad cucks are trying to fight the good fight. But despite their crys to man up. What am I maning up for? To pay some broad child support to a kid I have little access to? Money spent on whatever essentially, no good proof it went to the child's betterment, etc. Feminism pushed society to this point and they'll be more guys who check out of the system. They'll live for themselves fuck sacrifices for society because society will never reward them.

BooDoug · 2017-12-19T18:02:48+00:00

The truth will set you free from the Matrix of illusion.

MethaCat · 2017-12-19T20:12:36+00:00

Don't worry, there are plenty of guys out there who will do anything for a woman, even if that means threatening your life to make you do things against your will.

I think life is too short to waste it on people that won't give anything in return, if more people thinks this way maybe society will change, in the mean time, I grab my popcorn and watch the world burn.

HDL_MGTOW · 2017-12-19T20:38:28+00:00

Yeah, its a good point, but maybe this is the end, maybe we as species were not fit and smart enough. Let the nature do its doing I guess.

WhistlingAlong · 2017-12-19T19:10:17+00:00

men, not just mgtow, but men don't choose to pick and make fun of women. Men don't want to do that it's just we do because it's the women that are simply sharing the station with us so we pick at them to teach ourselves. Men don't pick on seemingly "happy" married women. The women discussed here are simply because it's sadly what we are left with.

BesideStillWaters · 2017-12-19T20:16:04+00:00

Society will be fine. In the short term things will be messed up, but the system as a whole will be forced to adjust if the men who can actually get real work done decide to no longer contribute. But my thinking is that those men might actually end up being able to contribute more without all that weight on their back. Dudes will still want to be doctors. They just won't do it for the sake of getting or keeping a woman, but for themselves and actually helping people. Seems like a better deal to me. I'm a simple man too, but I know there's a lot of personalities out there and many men who wouldn't be happy lounging around living a simple life. They would rather make a name for themselves.

The only real problem with MGTOW is if enough men check out, you will have a substantially declining birthrate, which has its own economic consequences. Like I said though, society will adjust... Even if it takes a generation or three.

CeleritySteam · 2017-12-19T21:30:48+00:00

The thing about greyhound racing is that if any of them are fast enough that they catch the rabbit they are immediately retired because they will never run again.

Draw your own inferences from this.

As for the whole "MUH ECONOMICS" argument - a divorce raped man is operating at an effective tax rate of 70% which can take effect retroactively. Something as simple as getting a raise can result in 1: Having most of that stolen. 2: Owing years of backpay. 3: Imprisonment because you can't afford said backpay.

That kills productivity a hell of a lot more than men doing the minimum possible for themselves. After all, such a man will still take part in consumerism that aligns with their interests.

Camp_KillYourself · 2017-12-19T22:25:11+00:00

I think we're moving more and more to the way Japanese society is. There will be a group of herbivore men that refuse to get into relationships with women. Unless there's some change government does to bring back men to the plantation i don't see anything changing anytime soon. If anything, it will move more extreme. Sex workers and sex robots will be more commonplace.

With all this #Metoo accusations, it makes it even more unsafe for men to even approach women. Even pump and dump isn't safe. Women will be the ones that suffer. How many girls do you know have dreams of marriage and kids?

Mefic_vest · 2017-12-20T00:21:49+00:00

Not our circus, not our monkeys.

fcb98292 · 2017-12-20T01:12:18+00:00

Good write. I have never hidden my concurrent contempt for feminist tripe and insatiable lust for quality pussy. I am not a recovering addict, I remain so by choice, as does any addict. However, I choose to take my vices overseas for a short period each year, thoroughly engulfing myself in the best the world has to offer. After that, the domestic brand of spoiled, fat, undisciplined bitches in the western world simply do not qualify for my attention. The itch is gone. I don't have any desire for them outside of professional interests. So, on one hand, I am cured, because I will never have sex with another American whale again. The mere thought disgusts me. On the other hand, there is no way in hell I will become gay because that disgusts me equally. My choice is to enjoy a small amount of the best intoxicant of that sort in existence, rather than wallow in "the game" of chasing tail only to find yet another conniving, unwiped, entitled, bitter, fat ass.

I see no reason to change. Buying my plane ticket this week. :)

bonusfruit · 2017-12-20T01:34:54+00:00

One cannot commit to mgtow philosophy AND care about civilization as a whole. The two concerns are contradictory

ilikecaketoomuch · 2017-12-19T18:49:32+00:00

hi hog,

just want to add an option. hire escorts if you get the desire to have sex. I would say fly to greece for a week, get a nice young college girl for a few bucks for the week like I did. However, the massive amount of immigrants over there ruined that spot.

Fly to columbia or find a venzualian girl to rent for a week. Just saying if you feel the desire for it. It is really cheap nowdays, costs less than a dinner date with an american bitch.

squidracer · 2017-12-19T20:04:46+00:00

Idk, i still go to work. I'm not sure why tho, habit maybe? I'm about your same age. The economy may lose a little headway, but most guys still will do the bare minimum to eat and have heat

FUCK_REDDIT_22 · 2017-12-19T21:18:15+00:00

OP what do you mean when you put the spez part in, im out of the loop

0kool74 · 2017-12-19T23:00:06+00:00

Since I love the Russian language, eto ne moy chertov problema :-)

Unfortunately, The Matrix is still strong in men all over today. I feel it would take, just here in the US alone, a good 25% of the men out there to check out of the system before any real impact would ever be noticed.......and it's just not gonna happen.

hog_heaven · 2017-12-19T23:17:00+00:00

I'm not sure where any of this is a problem. That society will collapse if enough men GTOW? I really don't consider this a problem. At least not my problem.

kirenex · 2017-12-20T00:37:07+00:00

Unlike all these big rants the answer to fixing society is very simple: restore male authority( traditional patriarchy) where the men make the decisions and the women make the sandwiches. The men to blame are long dead now. Women have no right to vote. MGTOW Doesnt save society.IT JUST SAVES MENS LIVES

kaczan3 · 2017-12-20T03:05:51+00:00

When did MGTOW bocome about loving women? How bad women have to become for you to hate them?

And for the record, why do yoy think the system is broken? Hmm, could it be women broke it? People like you would do anything to shift the blame away from women.

dionysus895 · 2017-12-20T01:36:18+00:00

Let the chips fall where they may is what I say

BreathGenie · 2017-12-20T02:44:38+00:00

I doubt society is doomed. There will always be humans breeding. If it’s made worth it again, men will build cities again. Hell, I’d destroy myself to lift my brothers up, simply out of boredom. If you didn’t have weed and booze to entertain you, you would want to tackle the puzzles of civilization too. Weed is fun, but it makes us stupid and arrogant.

wohodude1000 · 2017-12-20T02:58:10+00:00

While I agree with pretty much everything being said here, at the same time I highly doubt "the fall" will ever come when there are ever "enough" men to starve the system. This is because there will always be white knights and simps out there, even if they were exposed to the truth, even before and after the existence of feminism there have always been white knighting and simping in human society. So no matter how many men decide to go to MGTOW there will always be enough men who are either gullible or desperate to return and run the plantation.

Israfelll · 2017-12-20T03:13:24+00:00

These are dark times but men will endure and overcome. We always have. From the beginning of time. Men have shaped the world, sought out the stars, explored the vast unknown, created, improvised and overcome. It is our way.

Talkytalktalk · 2017-12-20T03:35:21+00:00

Yeah...so...and?

Nothing's ever as good or as bad as it seems.

AppreciateYa · 2017-12-20T06:11:09+00:00

Sit back and light your joint on the smoldering embers of society ;)

1UPZ_ · 2017-12-20T08:18:56+00:00

I think for society to really notice and make changes...

you need more than half of the top shelf men to go MGTOW... and about 20% of the lower class men to also go MGTOW... basically, when society notices that successful men that should be "taken" are enjoying life without a spouse.

It will also send a message because the dating market for most women will be thirsty lower class men.

JosephBancor · 2017-12-20T14:24:14+00:00

It's not my responsibility to cuck myself for society's sake. I won't sacrifice myself for it.

Jasonwilsonfl · 2017-12-20T16:45:59+00:00

This city is afraid of me...I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."

~Rorschach

hog_heaven · 2017-12-20T05:24:10+00:00

totally with you, but when i got here i got confused:

"Today, my tax dollars prevent women from experiencing the consequences of their own poor choices while at the same time pay for the prisons that ensure that men still do. "

sorry, what's that mean? Like we pay for them to not be in jail or something?

mgtowindia · 2017-12-20T06:14:17+00:00

MGTOW men can do anything ,no problem with MGTOW ,there are enough men to take care of this world even if 20% of all the men go MGTOW and it is not going to happen anytime soon.MGTOW ROCKS.In other words there are corporations ,beta simps and ALPHA men out there to tackle the situation . MGTOW is the sane way to go, MGTOW FOREVER

kirenex · 2017-12-20T11:25:30+00:00

I wonder who could behind this societal shift with the ultimate destruction of the West? ....Oy Vey

Yashugan00 · 2017-12-20T18:49:13+00:00

The problem has a name: behavioural sink. The collapse will be sudden and fast. I think the millenials are going to be the trigger:

The facts:

Aggressive females: feminist, cry-bully snowflake SJW females

Uncaring, self oriented males: any red pill philosophy males, millenial metrosexual soy-boys

Going to be really hard to extract taxes from: zero hour contract, no stability temp job hopping baristas

fuu999 · 2017-12-21T05:58:36+00:00

It is even worse when women are not really interested in what you have to offer. Society doesn't give you any incentive anymore to work hard. Low achieving chads and single mothers are well respected citizens. Let it burn

The Problem with MGTOW

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Seriously dude, that's what this comes off as... some "call" to OTHER MEN for them to go back to the fucking plantation... to save all the Missy Scarlett's of the world (from themselves).

Fuck that.

You think it somehow SHOULDN'T???

Go Fuck Yourself already.

-- Whiny twats tend to bitch about EVERYTHING.

What most of them NEED of course... is a good swift KICK to said "butt."

IOW you're entirely clueless as to what the word "cure" actually means.

Title	The Problem with MGTOW
Author	hog_heaven
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Date	December 19, 2017 4:37 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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