That's about it.
But I was talking to a acquaintance afterwards and mentioned that I bought it. He asked if it was for some business I was starting or something like that.
I just wanted a standard commercial van, you know, just an empty box on wheels. No seats, none of that minivan bullshit, just your basic moving shit around van. I wanted it because I want to go spend six months driving around and sleeping in it down by the river as they say. Just tour the country a bit, and take my house with me. I want to blend in and stealth camp in various cities and locations, so I didn't want some winnebago or conversion van or any shit like that, just a multipurpose van. I usually do this in hostels or camping or motels, but thought it would be fun to do. Way more cost efficient, and adventure.
I bullshit work remotely anyway and have been around the world a lot, so I wanted to explore the U.S. a bit more where I am at the moment. Plus, I can give out candy to children.
So then he says "Wow, that must be nice, Sally would never let me do that."
Sally. Wouldn't let him do that. He's not allowed. He needs "permission". Sally wouldn't even entertain the idea if he presented it.
He's not even married.
Somehow, he's not allowed to go on an adventure. He can't buy the vehicle he wants it turns out. They as a couple, have to make a committee decision on what vehicle he can pay for and drive around. He doesn't even have the agency to purchase a device to get between points A and B.
Boggles the mind. They aren't even engaged and he's lead around by the short hairs. It's fucking depressing.
Why men allow this to happen to them I have no idea. Single mother upbringing? Schools filling kids with medications they don't need, I have no idea.
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Yup. The first is the response of someone who is a SUBORDINATE.
The second is someone who is being RATIONAL and/or PRUDENT.
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To my mind/experience I think it's also about DEFLECTING RESPONSIBILITY...
I mean I have little doubt that it is the "wife/gf" that wears the proverbial "pants" in those households (and generally speaking if the she "allows" the guy to spend $5k, it is only because SHE intends on blowing $10k to $20k on something SHE wants).
But, I also think there is a sort of inherent (and in many ways even more pathetic) and willful, intentional SHIFTING of responsibility/agency in terms of the management of the households' money & finances... such men are very likely to also be WHINERS, if & when money "gets tight." Basically they don't have a wife/gf, they have a MOMMY-substitute.
-- I contrast that with a man like my father...
Who worked VERY hard (physical AND mental labor) to earn his money; who yes had his wife perform the "grunt work" aspects of the household finances (due in no small part to circumstances: the kind of work he did involved so many hours during the summer months that he literally couldn't physically get TO a bank to cash or deposit checks)... but HE nonetheless maintained the "ultimate say" in any/all MAJOR purchases, with her handling the general regular household stuff based on a budget they'd worked out together.
Which is why he had a fully equipped workshop (vehicle, + wood AND metalworking; and back in the day when such tools & machines were EXPEN$IVE) -- why, even though he had a couple of small/young kids, he was able to get his pilot's license AND purchase his own (single engine, 4 seat) airplane, etc. Not that WE lacked for anything as kids... because we really didn't -- we too had our "toys" (minibikes, snowmobile, etc) -- and likewise with my mother (who got many & various things SHE wanted, granted mostly "practical" things -- new washer/dryer, sewing machine, etc -- because she was and is a "practical" women; but she also got "fun" things, Wurlitzer organ, stereo, etc).
And of course all of that was possible not only because of his hard work (and despite, or perhaps because of her being a SAHM, which well she didn't exactly sit around watching "soap operas" & eating "bon-bons" she was a WORKING HOUSEWIFE/HOMEMAKER, sewing a lot of our clothes, cooking & baking amazing meals, etc) ... but because of their general "frugality" and solid, prudent financial management -- our family had ZERO debts (EVER!): our house NEVER had a mortgage (and they NEVER bought anything "on credit") -- they had both worked & saved up for 5+ years of initial (childless, frugal living/renting) marriage, and then largely built the place themselves (with cash for materials and of course some contacted work)... basically in "homesteading" style (i.e. the house & property were pretty "bare bones" when they built it & moved in, slowly "upgrading/improving" aspects of the place over the years/decades -- including a LOT of "DIY" stuff).
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-- I think a big part of it was just "expectations"... and even what they'd been used to/grown up with for a standard of living.
-- Seriously. It probably seems weird, even absurd to people born around the end of the 20th century, but people like my parents (both born during the Great Depression in the USA) lived their childhoods and grew up (out in the countryside on farms) WITHOUT electricity or even running water in their homes (water came from a manual well pump or a cistern outside, and the "toilet" {if you can call it that} was an outhouse in the backyard)... A lot of rural homes & farms didn't get "electrified" until after WWII was over (so late 1940's early 1950's); and even once they had electric service available, it didn't instantly "remodel" the house or their water-wells and plumbing.
-- So to them, getting married and having an apartment or home with central heating (not a wood or coal stove that needed to be "stoked" in the morning or "banked" at night), not to mention electric lights, a gas oven/cookstove, and running water in the kitchen and bath (even HOT water on tap)... well it was sort of like ALL of their childhood dreams & wishes come true.
-- Didn't matter to them that they didn't have "central air conditioning" or wall-to-wall carpeting (hells bells, NO ONE they knew had that); or that their entire household furniture (other than a bed with a mattress) might consist of a used sofa, and a couple of folding chairs around a card-table that doubles as a kitchen/dining room table AND their main "entertainment center" (inviting friends over to play cards, etc). They simply didn't EXPECT to get everything "instantly" -- there was no "buy now, pay later" bullshit -- they expected to slowly work & save, accumulate & acquire things over time (and then take CARE of them & make them last).
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-- Indeed.
You don't (really can't) MISS or feel "deprived" of what you have never had (and couldn't "miss" because it didn't yet exist or wasn't pragmatically available) -- or even what might exist somewhere else (or as some astronomical "luxury") but which, via "social norms" (and economic conditions) the majority of other people around you don't have either.
-- Plus a big part of this is that younger people really DON'T realize that our "modern" world really still is relatively "recent" and "new" -- even in the USA, there ARE people still alive who grew up without having the majority of things that WE now consider "basic necessities" (and by that I don't just mean smartphones and internet).
BTW, if you want to sort of investigate and have a quasi-"vicarious/visceral" experience of what all those "basic necessities" are that you take for granted, I'd highly recommend reading a little book called simply "Hatchet" by Gary Paulsen (and the rest of the sequels, known as the "Brian" series, by the same author -- most school & public libraries have copies, and of course they're available from Amazon, and lots of used bookstores have cheap copies as well).
-- That, and of course, also getting out and doing some minimalist "wilderness" backpacking/camping -- even just spending half a dozen days where you HAVE not choice but to fetch/pump/filter water from a lake or stream on a daily (and multiple times per day) basis... not to mention digging a hole to crap in (and then cover up) -- well it goes a long way towards making one appreciate having clean, clear water "on tap"; to say nothing of a WARM shower or bath, etc.
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Saw something a while back -- wish now I had saved the link (*sigh*) -- about a guy who had a van like that all "tricked out" as both his mini-RV-like "home" and office-desk/IT work vehicle... satellite internet/uplink thingee for when he wasn't near some free WiFi) etc.
Basically his "mobile office" (on steroids)... IIRC he'd "camp out" near some national park (or wherever) -- work maybe 4 hours a day -- and then just head off hiking, exploring or whatever.
Seemed pretty sweet, and looked like a rather suite setup to boot.
EDIT: Also...
How could you not say something like: "Dude, you really should get your balls back from Sally, man..."
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It was on reddit a little while ago, where he showed all his setup, little desk, chairs, etc. had a whole miniature command center.
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-- Yup that certainly sounds like the one I'm remembering, and I probably DID see it here (maybe even in /r/MGTOW)...
I took note of it (alas only mentally) because he was substantially different than the majority of so called "digital nomads"* -- unlike them, he was actually doing programming/database type "IT" work.
* It seems the nearly all of them -- the so called "digital nomads" -- invariably end up being what I think of as "Writers & Beggars & Gap Yahs"; they've got some passive-base-income (i.e. trust fund, etc), and tack onto that some journalist-contract-work; OR they run some "subscription" blog where they give people tips & advice on how to work as a digital nomad (the chief component of which is apparently running a "subscription" blog to give people tips & advice on how to work as a digital nomad -- akin to writing a book on "how to get rich quick" and then the contents of the book are: write & sell a book on "how to get rich quick [by writing a book on...]")
-- ** Don't get me wrong, his "setup" was cool in several unique ways, but in other ways... probably not all that special.
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As a digital nomad, I agree 100%. One of the problem with many DNs, is they think they can make all their money posting blogs and travel guides, while not having the business acumen to pull it off.
So many do become beg-packers you see infesting the north west coast and Europe. Or doing the hobo thing in the south.
It sounds all good, and I'm all for people living their lives however they want, but that's a gap year thing, you don't really want to try and live on a few hundred a month. I mean, you can, and whatever, but you're setting yourself up for a lot of problems.
But I can deal with beg-packers.
The people that really piss me off, are the ones promoting it as a viable lifestyle, and sell books and coaching and digital books with the "you can do it too" mentality that they'll teach you to be successful.
And it all comes down to moving to Chiang Mai, and teaching yoga or veganism to one another. It's the same technique Amway uses.
All their money is made not by doing what they're telling people to do "Be a travel blog writer!" but by selling courses and video series.
Those parasites are the real problem. I mean, if you want the gypsy lifestyle, tie it to "legitimate" business operations. Either something like me, where you have location transparent work that just needs an internet connection, or follow festivals, like people that sell things at Renaissance Fairs, or get legitimate jobs (bartender/waiter) that you can easily get in any city, and use that to fund your traveling. I've seen so many people that blew all their money on these bullshit "courses" who just go broke and have to beg for plane tickets. Usually when they're illegally overstaying their visas and getting arrested.
Visa overstaying in the U.S. means nothing. Doing it in other countries is much much worse.
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AI development. For predictive marketing and financial services companies.
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Do it. What reason do you have not to?
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I'm not doing much to it actually. I got a 2017 Ram Promaster, mostly because the price was too good to pass up. Windowless because I want privacy. It's not the greatest thing in the world for what I want. But has pretty much everything I'm looking for in a small, one person vehicle for basic living. I already minimize everything else in my life, so it should work fine.
For power I'm putting solar on the roof, as I do a lot of solar conversions, and probably about a KW of deep cycle AGM inside. Not that I need that much power to be honest, but I'm a big fan of it for a lot of applications I may need.
I'm thinking like a small microwave, mini fridge, that kind of thing. Make a small little "home" area for that.
For internet I sadly will have to use cellular, so I take that into account when traveling as it is.
I'm taking it to a dealer next week to have the Alaskan Tuneup actually, and have everything checked out. It's actually a used van with a few thousand miles on it. Everything seems to be working out, and I ran the vin and didn't see anything on it that I could discover on carfax or anywhere else.
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It's 280 hp, 6 cylinder. Tows a little over 5000 lbs.
Good enough for what I'm doing. I'm not trying to haul a ton or anything else, just a mobile sleeping area in the back.
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Saw a really cool design a while back for a bed that tilts up into a full width desk (and when it tilts back down the desk stuff just goes under the bed). Basically like this thing.
BED then DESK
Always figured THAT might work pretty nicely inside a van-setup; and shouldn't be hard to build a custom version of it yourself that would "fit" to the van.
-- EDIT: Looks like Rockler has a "kit" with the hardware/mechanism (i.e. just add wood). -- Also PDF document with dimensioned drawing, etc.
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I like that, I deal with a lot of boats, and it's amazing where you can stash a birth. I'm a big fan of everything having multiple uses, so I'll have to consider that, looks like a lot of fun, and you don't have to scrape everything off.
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Look into those "all-in-one BREAKFAST-maker" units (coffeemaker, toaster-oven, built-in griddle/fry pan thing).
Plop one of those on top of a microwave on top of a mini-fridge, and you're pretty much good to go... about all that'd be missing is a "grill" for cooking steak -- but that's best done as an outside thing anyway.
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That thing is hilarious. Never seen that combo.
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That's pretty much my plan. I might get some fake company and a magnetic sign on the side.
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I went across Europe in an orange vw camper van like this one.
It was quite the shit wagon, but worth doing.
Try it out, what could go wrong? Lots of people nomad in vans these days.
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